Dan Gryder Lockheed Electra Crash

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Captain Larry said:
...I am not a "fan" of any amateur video maker. But if you wanted to advance safety through yours or others actually experiences...this forum is plain and simple "empty calories".

The abject hatred on this forum of "the guy" is palpable. Don't like CNN or Fox news? Don't watch!
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I have learned many useful things from this forum, some of which are safety-related. Like any other communications medium, one has to learn how to separate the wheat from the chaff.
 
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MauleSkinner said:
Is either one equally-pontificatable?
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It would probably be easier to find an audience on the one in San Francisco, although at 553 feet, that's really more of a hill.
 
Palmpilot said:
The Greek gods may have been mythical, but Mount Olympus is a real place. In fact, there are at least two of them: one in Greece, and one in Washington state.
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If you're from the Northwest, you know what the grey circle on the right side of this sectional means... :)

Ron Wanttaja
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farmrjohn said:
OK I'll bite, not being from the Northwest. Even though the screen pic is small is the grey circle the "O" in Olympic?
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Yes.

Reminds me of the time when a DPE asked me what a straight gray line on the San Francisco Sectional was. Turns out it was the "I" in "Sierra."
 
Palmpilot said:
Reminds me of the time when a DPE asked me what a straight gray line on the San Francisco Sectional was. Turns out it was the "I" in "Sierra."
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Instructor did same exact thing to me once, about 20 years ago or so. Must be a "thing" in the teaching community...
 
farmrjohn said:
OK I'll bite, not being from the Northwest. Even though the screen pic is small is the grey circle the "O" in Olympic?
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Yup. Usual practice during a BFR is for the CFI to point at the circle (obscuring the rest of the name) and ask what it represents.

They used to use a more-circular font.

Ron Wanttaja
 
That's amazing how good Dan he looks after the injuries he received. I don't look that good after waking up in the morning.
 
TCABM said:
The funny thing is your choices were pretty limited in school. Now, they’re much greater, especially in the category of free entertainment/infotainment.

As an adult, I get to use my critical thinking skills and personal freedom to choose how to spend my time and who to listen to.

What I don’t get is why people feel I have to change my opinion of somebody when that opinion has been informed by 15 years of publicly available records from multiple agencies in multiple jurisdictions that indicate this is a person I would not freely associate with in real life.
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Oh - let me be clear - I don’t watch his content and am not about to start. I’m just not going to miss the opportunity to learn from it because of what I may think of him.
 
Learnin’ to fly… said:
Oh - let me be clear - I don’t watch his content and am not about to start. I’m just not going to miss the opportunity to learn from it because of what I may think of him.
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I will say I do have a bias. Military aviators review the Safety Investigation Board and Accident Investigation Board reports as a routine mission planning process. There’s a ton of rigor behind that process.

All the uTube speculators fill a niche between gossip, entertainment, and “aliens”, which is why I pay little to no attention to them. The NTSB docket at least lets one look at all the information gathered and enables one to learn what they can from the evidence.

Alas, there’s nothing really new under the sun. Categorically, we’ve figured out the various ways we crash and we figure out the various whys it happened; there’s nothing new under the sun.

But new pilots don’t have that knowledge base, so they’ve got to learn it somehow, which is why all the folks doing this stuff have an audience over time.
 
Captain Larry said:
I think you folks pretty much have yourselves totally convinced. I do wonder, however, if this Snark Fest Circle Jerk ever will come to an end, and I am not really talking about this particular thread. I could care less about DG. After 50+ years of aviating, I do seek out information I can use. Not going to get any from this crowd.
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Hey Larry, welcome to the internet! We have plenty of good resources here, just might not find it in select threads.

Glad to see you back!
 
Ugh. Beautiful plane. Nothing like polished aluminum! I hope they all make a full recovery. Even DG! Hows the tree? I guess it won.
 
OMG. How did they survive that?! I don't think that one's going to fly again sadly.
 
StraightnLevel said:
Looks like the engines and props were untouched....maybe?

What seems odd is that a collision with a tree at that same speed in a modern auto would likely result in little or no injury, other than to the wallet.
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Considering that the plane only outweighs a 2023 Chevy Tahoe by about 100 pounds despite having two engines, I think the modern auto has a bit more room in the weight category to enhance safety and collisions features.
 
StraightnLevel said:
This is certainly true - BUT - not all safety features add weight. Crumple zones and structural design with an eye towards impact response does not always require additional material.

Collapsible columns, crumple zones, crush structures, etc., can all be applied in ways that add little if any weight, but can improve survivability in this sort of collision. Yes, things like intrusion bars and airbags are costly in both weight and $$$, but they are only part of the story. Modern race cars utilize these design techniques very successfully, and they are much closer to the weight of a LSA than a Tahoe.

None of that is going to help with a plane of the age of the Lockheed, but I would surmise that newer designs could be improved without adding much in the way of cost or weight.
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Dude, the entire nose cone was a crumple zone or they'd all be dead.
 
when were aviation crash test dummies invented? (and please don't say 'the date of this incident'!)
 
StraightnLevel said:
What seems odd is that a collision with a tree at that same speed in a modern auto would likely result in little or no injury, other than to the wallet.
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Hmmmm. Not sure that adding frontal crash protection to a plane would be that practical.

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Perhaps an opportunity here for the new Dan Gryder STC??
 
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