[NA]Returning electric rental cars "full"?

You also have to deal with the maintenance for both an electric drivetrain and an ICE.

If I owned an EV I'd take care of the range anxiety with a 2-4 kW inverter generator in the trunk. Enough to get me going and put a few miles of charge in the battery if I'm trully stuck.
You’d get about one mile per hour from a gen of that size. Hope you have lots of gas cans.
 
You also have to deal with the maintenance for both an electric drivetrain and an ICE.

If I owned an EV I'd take care of the range anxiety with a 2-4 kW inverter generator in the trunk. Enough to get me going and put a few miles of charge in the battery if I'm trully stuck.
Scheduled maintenance will be more but their reliability is better than both EV and ICE. I should’ve stayed with Subaru. If they made an attractive EV I’d buy it.

 
Cost to charge with electricity in a public charging station is all over the map. Locally, I see rates between 45 cents per kwh and $1.5 per kwh.
Wow! $1.50/kWh? That's crazy. What network/location was that.

The Supercharger closest to my house, which I'd have no reason to use, had time-of-day pricing. 8am-10pm is 41¢, 10pm-4am is 28¢, and 4am-8am is 26¢. The next closest is 32¢, 28¢, 27¢ for the same time periods. Another in town is 29¢ all day.

I hadn't compared the prices of nearby chargers before. It's interesting how much variability there is.

Back to rentals...

Hertz doesn't list prices, just three charging plans. On the one equivalent to "return empty" for an ICE car, their example show a cost of $30 for a rental in California with pickup at 80% and return at 15%. That's close enough to what the charging session would have cost so I'd go with that plan and save the time.

Avis says that the car will be rented out with at least 70% SoC so, if it's less, they didn't follow their own procedures. On return, you must have a 70% SoC to avoid a fee. If returned under 70%, but more than 10%, the charge is $35. If returned below 10% then the fee doubles to $70. That seems reasonable to me and I'd only recharge enough to return above 10%. A Model 3 could be charged from 2% to 15% in no more than 3 minutes so the 10% minimum would be easy to make.
 
If I owned an EV I'd take care of the range anxiety with a 2-4 kW inverter generator in the trunk. Enough to get me going and put a few miles of charge in the battery if I'm trully stuck.
I think, after a few months, you'd feel quite comfortable leaving the generator at home.
 
You’d get about one mile per hour from a gen of that size. Hope you have lots of gas cans.
Six miles per hour, at 16A/120V. The gallon of fuel in the generator would give you about 15 miles of range.
I think, after a few months, you'd feel quite comfortable leaving the generator at home.
Most likely.
 
Six miles per hour, at 16A/120V. The gallon of fuel in the generator would give you about 15 miles of range.

Most likely.
actually, my bad. I’m the one that screwed up the math.

Enjoy waiting an hour to get 15 miles. I’m not going to carry a generator for that. I’d rather call a tow truck.
 
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Cant wait to see a mini honda generator strapped to an ev…one day.
 
Cant wait to see a mini honda generator strapped to an ev…one day.
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I think you should re-check your math. 2-4 kw is 2-4kw regardless of amps.
L1 charger at 16A/120V, 1920W. Typical EV usage is 300 Wh/mile. Actually, a model 3 is 240 Wh/mile, but that's not what I get when I drive one. 1920/300=6.4 miles of charge/hr.
Typical generator is rated at 9h at quarter load with 1 gal, so let's say 2.4h at full load. 2.4h×6.4mi/h=15.36 mi.
Sooo... where is my math wrong?
Cant wait to see a mini honda generator strapped to an ev…one day.
 
L1 charger at 16A/120V, 1920W. Typical EV usage is 300 Wh/mile. Actually, a model 3 is 240 Wh/mile, but that's not what I get when I drive one. 1920/300=6.4 miles of charge/hr.
Typical generator is rated at 9h at quarter load with 1 gal, so let's say 2.4h at full load. 2.4h×6.4mi/h=15.36 mi.
Sooo... where is my math wrong?

I have since fixed my post

actually, my bad. I’m the one that screwed up the math.

Enjoy waiting an hour to get 15 miles. I’m not going to carry a generator for that. I’d rather call a tow truck.
 
Here's a video of a Canadian deep freezing (-25F/-32C) his Model 3 then Supercharging it at -13F/-25C with about a 15-17 minute precondition on the drive to the Supercharger.


I don't don't think I'll visit Saskatoon in the wintertime.
 
Here's a video of a Canadian deep freezing (-25F/-32C) his Model 3 then Supercharging it at -13F/-25C with about a 15-17 minute precondition on the drive to the Supercharger.


I don't don't think I'll visit Saskatoon in the wintertime.
fake news, because this one time in chicago. Temps like that, charge at home while sipping a nice bourbon.
 
I should add that the video, in post 171, also shows the process of navigating to a Supercharge and how you connect and start charging.

Narrating the experience to your GoPro is optional.
 
Wow! $1.50/kWh? That's crazy. What network/location was that.
evGo at a hotel near Boston Logan. Per business acquaintance, stay at the hotel, it is cheap; however for the general public the price is crazy high.
My guess, hotel got some sort of grant which requires public access but did not require same rate for those staying at the hotel versus general public. Therefore, the hotel is trying to discourage public use since it is a limited number of spots and wanted to keep the spots for hotel guests.

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Wow! $1.50/kWh? That's crazy. What network/location was that.

The Supercharger closest to my house, which I'd have no reason to use, had time-of-day pricing. 8am-10pm is 41¢, 10pm-4am is 28¢, and 4am-8am is 26¢. The next closest is 32¢, 28¢, 27¢ for the same time periods. Another in town is 29¢ all day.
I guess I shouldn't complain about Electrify America charging me 30-something cents /kWh. I thought that was expensive.
 
Enjoy waiting an hour to get 15 miles. I’m not going to carry a generator for that. I’d rather call a tow truck.
But you wouldn't have to wait. You could drive home soon after plugging in... at 15mph :biggrin:
 
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