No. "someone is using the radio and altering me that they're in the area" is called, "making standard radio calls and position reports."
“I’m dangerous. Watch out for me.”
To be clear I don’t do that. I just announce my position at 10nm, 5nm, and when/where entering the pattern.
What I was taught and what they want to hear...
See, that's why I asked. You say "level", instead of just the altitude. So do I.
Youre truly missing out if you don’t say “N1234 level, flight level 230”!
Well... It tells you that you can't talk to him. Is that really useful?
I was taught that way and had a friend that was a Controller at N90 who confirmed they liked to hear it.
Don't let the Opposing Bases crowd hear that.
Well, in truth, we kind of are. I've been asked to do photos in spots, for instance, where our orbit might make us cross through 4 different airspaces up near IH-20 where we orbit through the Surface B, E, Grand Prairie, and Arlington Deltas. We can't really be on four different frequencies at once and make good sense of things, so we talk to approach and maybe one of the towers. We've also had to do photos other places where we are just inside of a busy class E un-towered field and are arranging to climb on the same orbit up into a Charlie or Bravo airspace shelf and have to switch frequencies while climbing and maintaining the same orbit. Last call for us really and truly might mean we are absolutely still a potential threat, but definitely also will be talking to someone else.
I don’t think “last call” adequately conveys that.
Sometimes we don't have time for wordy conversations.
FTFY.
At least he didn’t say “last call….see ya! Any traffic in the area please advise.”
I have heard that this started in the wake of the PATCO firings in the early 80s, and some operators made it SOP to say ATITAPA because someone somewhere thought it'd be a good idea, and others kept copying it. It was problematic enough for long enough that the FAA finally added that statement to the AIM about 15-20 years ago, and now I don't hear it nearly as much any more.
That's one of the least annoying ones, but it's also utterly useless, except in the situation @midlifeflyer mentioned: Clearing the runway, you get taxi instructions and told to remain this frequency, "Foxtrot, Alpha, Delta to parking with you, 7ST..."
You'll get the exact same result or better if you merely report your position, and at that point useful communication has occurred. ATITAPA, you might as well say "Everyone key your mic at once, I want to hear radios squealing and not hear anyone!"
This! I've been complimented on radio calls that are short and effective. "Madison Approach, Mooney 97ST, 4500 over Watertown, landing Morey with whiskey." Put the most information you can into the fewest words while ensuring the correct message gets across.
I'll occasionally use Last Call when I'm in a situation where I'll need to change frequencies about as soon as the gear is folded. Departing directly toward very nearby B/C for example.Well... It tells you that you can't talk to him. Is that really useful?
If there's no other airspace in the way.
Roger Wilco!
... "with you, meow."
Same if you don’t hear them say last call.
Yes. And look at all the posts defending those needless words. Personally, I think people pick them up, get into the habit of them, and simply can’t stop themselves. Hard to get rid of habits. Easier to justify them. I know. I have plenty.
I need to acknowledge that I heard ATC. I do that if I don’t see traffic by saying “looking”.
What if you actually have him on the fish finder but not visually? (and you have "real" TCAS) I mean, if TCAS can give you RAs, then wouldn't the rest of the situational display be accurate enough to have them identified?
Interestingly, the OB guys say that ATC doesn't necessarily need to hear anything except an acknowledgement (i.e., tail number). Apparently ATC is required to call out the traffic, but no positive or negative response is required. I imagine that an "in sight" call would help calm their nerves if an alarm is squawking at them, but I guess it's not mandatory.
Free advice, our do you tell them what you charge per hour for consulting?We I can give advice....over.
“Eman1200 10 miles out, last first of many calls with you.”