You’d get about one mile per hour from a gen of that size. Hope you have lots of gas cans.
[NA]Returning electric rental cars "full"?
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Scheduled maintenance will be more but their reliability is better than both EV and ICE. I should’ve stayed with Subaru. If they made an attractive EV I’d buy it.
Who Makes the Most Reliable New Cars? - Consumer Reports
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Larry in TN
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Wow! $1.50/kWh? That's crazy. What network/location was that.
The Supercharger closest to my house, which I'd have no reason to use, had time-of-day pricing. 8am-10pm is 41¢, 10pm-4am is 28¢, and 4am-8am is 26¢. The next closest is 32¢, 28¢, 27¢ for the same time periods. Another in town is 29¢ all day.
I hadn't compared the prices of nearby chargers before. It's interesting how much variability there is.
Back to rentals...
Hertz doesn't list prices, just three charging plans. On the one equivalent to "return empty" for an ICE car, their example show a cost of $30 for a rental in California with pickup at 80% and return at 15%. That's close enough to what the charging session would have cost so I'd go with that plan and save the time.
Avis says that the car will be rented out with at least 70% SoC so, if it's less, they didn't follow their own procedures. On return, you must have a 70% SoC to avoid a fee. If returned under 70%, but more than 10%, the charge is $35. If returned below 10% then the fee doubles to $70. That seems reasonable to me and I'd only recharge enough to return above 10%. A Model 3 could be charged from 2% to 15% in no more than 3 minutes so the 10% minimum would be easy to make.
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I think, after a few months, you'd feel quite comfortable leaving the generator at home.
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Six miles per hour, at 16A/120V. The gallon of fuel in the generator would give you about 15 miles of range.
Most likely.
actually, my bad. I’m the one that screwed up the math.
Enjoy waiting an hour to get 15 miles. I’m not going to carry a generator for that. I’d rather call a tow truck.
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L1 charger at 16A/120V, 1920W. Typical EV usage is 300 Wh/mile. Actually, a model 3 is 240 Wh/mile, but that's not what I get when I drive one. 1920/300=6.4 miles of charge/hr.
Typical generator is rated at 9h at quarter load with 1 gal, so let's say 2.4h at full load. 2.4h×6.4mi/h=15.36 mi.
Sooo... where is my math wrong?
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Here's a video of a Canadian deep freezing (-25F/-32C) his Model 3 then Supercharging it at -13F/-25C with about a 15-17 minute precondition on the drive to the Supercharger.
I don't don't think I'll visit Saskatoon in the wintertime.
I don't don't think I'll visit Saskatoon in the wintertime.
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fake news, because this one time in chicago. Temps like that, charge at home while sipping a nice bourbon.
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I should add that the video, in post 171, also shows the process of navigating to a Supercharge and how you connect and start charging.
Narrating the experience to your GoPro is optional.
Narrating the experience to your GoPro is optional.
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evGo at a hotel near Boston Logan. Per business acquaintance, stay at the hotel, it is cheap; however for the general public the price is crazy high.
My guess, hotel got some sort of grant which requires public access but did not require same rate for those staying at the hotel versus general public. Therefore, the hotel is trying to discourage public use since it is a limited number of spots and wanted to keep the spots for hotel guests.
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I guess I shouldn't complain about Electrify America charging me 30-something cents /kWh. I thought that was expensive.
But you wouldn't have to wait. You could drive home soon after plugging in... at 15mph
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Too bad all EVs (to my knowledge) won't let you drive unless the charging plug is removed.But you wouldn't have to wait. You could drive home soon after plugging in... at 15mph
A couple lines of firmware and you'll be good to go.
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Wow - You're the first person who has described driving the way I think about it. Vectors, forces, etc...
Probably from a combination of engineering school and growing up in the snowy north.I will tell you that I do exactly as you describe with single pedal in the Tesla. I think once you're used to how the (any) car responds on a dry road you'll have the intuitive feel for it and you'll be able to feel the road conditions just fine without having to resort to using the brake pedal.
Autopilot changed my life when it came to commuting. Instead of getting home tired and angry from fighting with drivers I didn't have the patience to be behind, I just got in the correct lane as soon as I got on the freeway, turned on Autopilot and let it take me home and I'd get there happy and relaxed and ready to greet my family.
Not really. They have all the same ignition and fuel sources as ICE vehicles, PLUS all the new ignition and fuel sources that EVs have. That's one way in which they have the worst of both worlds.
Interesting... That's new. Glad to hear they're getting with the program.
Face. Palm.
...because they haven't made the necessary changes to their business to make renting an EV a good experience, and they're selling them off too early.
They could absolutely make more money if they wanted to, but they're so stuck in the ICE mindset that they have completely botched the whole experiment.
How do you get "electrical anxiety" from a hybrid???
Huh? I mean, if you get stuck you have a "spare" drivetrain to get to safety and maintenance if necessary and if the vehicle supports doing such things, but reliability can't be better when you have more parts to break.
This is one of the big disappointments with Subaru. They market themselves as an environmentally friendly company, yet they've only had one hybrid model (Crosstrek) for a while, and one EV model (Solterra) that is just a thing they co-developed with another EV laggard, Toyota. And the Toyota BZ4X/Subaru Solterra is quite a disappointment in terms of EV tech. 100kW "fast" charging? YGBSM. Weak. Range is disappointing as well.
So in reality you're paying $1.49/kWh for parking and $0.01/kWh for the electricity.
Wouldn’t it be easier to trick the door sensor?
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might not be easier, but sometimes the challenge is part of the fun.
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What is this dirty word commuting? My commute involves walking 60ft from the kitchen to my office
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I agree about the hybrid data. Makes no sense why they would be more reliable than EVs and ICE since you have two propulsion systems. I can say both my Cmax and my Volt were flawless though. Can’t say the same about my Teslas or my Subaru..or my piece of crap Lincoln I just bought.Wow - You're the first person who has described driving the way I think about it. Vectors, forces, etc...
I will tell you that I do exactly as you describe with single pedal in the Tesla. I think once you're used to how the (any) car responds on a dry road you'll have the intuitive feel for it and you'll be able to feel the road conditions just fine without having to resort to using the brake pedal.
Autopilot changed my life when it came to commuting. Instead of getting home tired and angry from fighting with drivers I didn't have the patience to be behind, I just got in the correct lane as soon as I got on the freeway, turned on Autopilot and let it take me home and I'd get there happy and relaxed and ready to greet my family.
Not really. They have all the same ignition and fuel sources as ICE vehicles, PLUS all the new ignition and fuel sources that EVs have. That's one way in which they have the worst of both worlds.
Interesting... That's new. Glad to hear they're getting with the program.
Face. Palm.
...because they haven't made the necessary changes to their business to make renting an EV a good experience, and they're selling them off too early.
They could absolutely make more money if they wanted to, but they're so stuck in the ICE mindset that they have completely botched the whole experiment.
How do you get "electrical anxiety" from a hybrid???
Huh? I mean, if you get stuck you have a "spare" drivetrain to get to safety and maintenance if necessary and if the vehicle supports doing such things, but reliability can't be better when you have more parts to break.
This is one of the big disappointments with Subaru. They market themselves as an environmentally friendly company, yet they've only had one hybrid model (Crosstrek) for a while, and one EV model (Solterra) that is just a thing they co-developed with another EV laggard, Toyota. And the Toyota BZ4X/Subaru Solterra is quite a disappointment in terms of EV tech. 100kW "fast" charging? YGBSM. Weak. Range is disappointing as well.
So in reality you're paying $1.49/kWh for parking and $0.01/kWh for the electricity.
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Electric powertrains, once the kinks have been worked out, have better reliability than ICE. Most of the problems with Tesla have nothing to do with the powertrain system. They deal with fit/finish and gadgets, e.g. gull wing doors.
Hybrids have been on the market by "traditional" manufacturers for a long while. So hybrids benefit from the electric powertrain system increasing reliability compared to ICE, benefit from production time to work out issues, and benefit from decades of manufacturing experience on all the fit/finish and gadgets and working out the bugs.
Compare that to modern BEV, they are new models with teething pains; with some companies focusing on eye candy instead of basic stuff that works.
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Whoa now let’s get it right. “Falcon Wing.”
I get Elon was set on the Falcon Wing doors even though the engineers told him it was a bad idea. No issues with mine but I’m on the Model X FB page and people are always complaining about the doors breaking or leaking…and half shaft noise…and HV battery…and air suspension…
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That makes sense. Probably does a good job at keeping the charger(s) available for hotel customers.
They made so many mistakes.
I think the one that's been primary in driving their EV fleet reductions is that they bought their EVs when the prices were at their post-COVID supply-chain issues peak and they paid full retail price, not the discounted fleet rates they normally pay.
As the supply chain recovered, EV prices dropped. As EV manufacturer's scaled production, EV prices dropped. When the Federal government instituted the $7,500 tax credit, the cost to buy a new EV dropped. As the price of a new EV dropped, the value of used EVs dropped as well.
The rental companies have to book their depreciation loss on the cars they own which created large losses, even though they were still unrealized. That drove them to reduce their exposure to those large depreciation losses by reducing their EV fleets.
EV rentals are great for those who want to experience an EV, and are willing to learn how they work. They're also great for us EV owners who already know how they work. They are not good at all for someone who just wants transportation with minimal effort.
Many big companies started requiring EV rentals on business trips so they could include that is their green initiative programs. That put employees who didn't want to learn EVs in a bad position.
They're cool tech, but complex. I like how they have an ultrasonic system to detect obstacles and modify the opening sequence to avoid them. I suppose they are convenient for putting a baby in a child seat, and similar tasks, but I wouldn't want to own them due to the potential for problems. Probably best for folks who only keep cars for a few years. I tend to keep them for many years with several that I've owned over 20 before selling.Whoa now let’s get it right. “Falcon Wing.”