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Funny thing this evening.

I'm having a beer waiting for @Ravioli's co-pilot to finish getting her nails done.

So, I'm kind of a social and I'm talking to the guy next to me and she comes in and somehow Oshkosh comes up.

He says, oh, that's the aviation version of Sturgess. I'm like, yeah, duh!

He whips out his cert and throws it to me. I look and see he's an A&P. Kinda cool, but strange.

I put it in my pocket and said, "Never surrender your cert to anyone without cause"

He's like I'll beat you into the ground before I let you leave with it.

I'm like, shoulda kept it in your pocket.

Anyway, I gave it back without any fist-to-cuffs... and the clown left, but WHAT THE HECK?

additional data point: 6:30PM... not like we had been pounding down beers for hours.
 
Only to the guy at the FBO so he could make a copy for his files for when I rent.
 
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The offline CA I'm asking a ride from. Or a DPE. That's about it.
 
"Snooze you lose"
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It's pretty simple.

§61.3 Requirement for certificates, ratings, and authorizations.
(l) Inspection of certificate. Each person who holds an airman certificate, medical certificate, authorization, or license required by this part must present it and their photo identification as described in paragraph (a)(2) of this section for inspection upon a request from:
(1) The Administrator;
(2) An authorized representative of the National Transportation Safety Board; or
(3) Any Federal, State, or local law enforcement officer; or
(4) An authorized representative of the Transportation Security Administration.
 
Sounds like he was trying to spark a conversation and he was showing you he is kind of in the know about aviation. Ive whipped mine out on occasions. hey hey keep your mind on track, im talking about my pilot cert.
 
The purists will say you only have to hand it over if it is what, revoked?
Anything else is, they can inspect it, While You are Holding It. And you do not have to hand it to them.
 
If he had thrown it to me, I would have thrown it in the nearest **** can and said "you missed"
 
I hear from another thread that the MC doesn't like stories that contain violence. IBTL! LOL.
 
Let'sgoflying! said:
The purists will say you only have to hand it over if it is what, revoked?
Anything else is, they can inspect it, While You are Holding It. And you do not have to hand it to them.
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Silly nonsense. You hand it over for inspection exactly the same way you hand your license and registration to a LEO on a traffic stop. And with exactly the same legal effect.
 
If someone takes it, it's not immediately invalid. You can get authorization from the FAA website almost immediately. I know, I had mine stolen with my wallet.

I think the last person I handed it to was the CSR at CAE. But I've also handed it and my passport to Mexican customs.
 
midlifeflyer said:
Silly nonsense. You hand it over for inspection exactly the same way you hand your license and registration to a LEO on a traffic stop. And with exactly the same legal effect.
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Except if they don't give it back, for whatever douchey reason, you aren't legal to fly until you can replace it. How long does that take?
 
The chicks at the local bar in my crappy Dayton overnight. I want them to know how cool I am.
 
I've used mine for second ID at the bank a few times they've asked for one. It's kinda fun. They always say "I've never seen one of these, I'll be right back". They always accept it as second ID... and give it back.
 
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It was pretty much a dick move on your part, especially your smart ass remark after you pocketed it.

He didn't know you and had no idea what your intentions were.

You didn't think putting it in your pocket was provocative? I would have reacted in a similar fashion. I wouldn't threaten anyone, but it would ratchet up my response mechanism.

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All I can say is if you've been drinking for hours, and you have to make the statement "put that thing back in your pocket," you're hanging out at the wrong damn bar.
 
3393RP said:
It was pretty much a dick move on your part, especially your smart ass remark after you pocketed it.

He didn't know you and had no idea what your intentions were.

You didn't think putting it in your pocket was provocative? I would have reacted in a similar fashion. I wouldn't threaten anyone, but it would ratchet up my response mechanism.

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Ravioli is either the king of the dick move... Or at least the crown prince. That's why we love him.
 
paflyer said:
Except if they don't give it back, for whatever douchey reason, you aren't legal to fly until you can replace it. How long does that take?
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Yes. If you run into an inspector (or LEO) who is into violating the rules, theft, and facing disciplinary action, you may have a problem. So if you believe the odds are those are the kind of folks you are likely to run into in life, you definitely will be more circumspect.

Me, I haven't managed to acquire that level of personal distrust for people in enforcement.
 
Not so many years ago I was in Iraq with a guy that said "no better friend, no worse enemy." I think if you took anything of mine and put it in your pocket I would have bounced your head off the bar and taken it back.
 
cgrab said:
Not so many years ago I was in Iraq with a guy that said "no better friend, no worse enemy." I think if you took anything of mine and put it in your pocket I would have bounced your head off the bar and taken it back.
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I was in a local water hole a while ago standing room only left, lots of drunk people bumping into each other with mugs overflowing. I warned several of them that night if they spill on me I'll remodel their mouth with my titanium hooks. I stayed dry :D
 
The guy could have just said he was an A&P and I would have asked about where he works, which types he works on, etc. Just like having different CFI's looking at my flying, I like different A&P's looking at the condition of my planes.

Was I supposed to show him my certificate or the registration for my planes to validate I am indeed an pilot and owner? Sheesh!

Anyway. I guess I'm as likely to be an ass in person as I am on the internet. Consistency count for anything?
 
DAMN you guys are paranoid.

I've shown my pilot certificate to anyone who asked. FBOs, CAP, an Australian CFI, DPEs, etc. Most have wanted to make a copy of it. No one has tried to run off with it, nor am I particularly worried anyone will.

Giving up a credit card at a restaurant is a whole lot more risky, yet people do that every day....
 
What's the big deal? The guy may have been a bit of a show-off or a braggart, but really, why get upset and obnoxious about it?
 
JOhnH said:
What's the big deal? The guy may have been a bit of a show-off or a braggart, but really, why get upset and obnoxious about it?
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'cause it's Ravioli! And he admits it! Quote:

Anyway. I guess I'm as likely to be an ass in person as I am on the internet. Consistency count for anything?
 
It used to be that the "experts" espoused that you shouldn't let the certificates out of your hand while presenting them for inspection lest the FAA consider that a voluntary surrender and run off with it. The FAA has stated countless times since then, that a voluntary surrender has to really be voluntary and accompanied with a written statement that you are surrendering the certificates.

Oddly, the while I showed my paperwork to the state police after my crash (kid was like "license and registration" like this was a traffic stop), the NTSB and the FAA were happy that I just scanned in my paperwork and emailed it to them. Frankly, I think it's largely silly. The FAA has all that information somewhere already (with the exception of the actual signatures).
 
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flyingron said:
It used to be that the "experts" espoused that you shouldn't let the certificates out of your hand while presenting them for inspection lest the FAA consider that a voluntary surrender and run off with it. The FAA has stated countless times since then, that a voluntary surrender has to really be voluntary and accompanied with a written statement that you are surrendering the certificates.

Oddly, the while I showed my paperwork to the state police after my crash (kid was like "license and registration" like this was a traffic stop), the NTSB and the FAA were happy that I just scanned in my paperwork and emailed it to me. Frankly, I think it's largely silly. The FAA has all that information somewhere already (with the exception of the actual signatures).
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dont froget, that years ago, an faa guy asked bob hoover to see his certificate!
the faa guy kept it, claiming that bob didnr do his airshow as good as he thought it should be done...
you know flying upside down, engines off, pouring tea,, etc...
it took bob years and many amus to get it back so he could fly again..
 
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