That would not be surprising.
I always wonder what someone with a pre-printed CRAFT template or scratchpad does. They often leave just as much room for the routing as for the squawk code."Hang on ... I need another piece of paper ... I ran out!
And 5 min later he was probably given a vector for another 5 min and then direct KEYED. At least that’s what usually happens to me.
Don't. First of all, most areas in the US don't have that level of complexity. Second, we have tools to deal with it - EFBs and human brains. Other than the length itself, there's nothing particularly difficult about the clearance and once you plug it in, it even makes sense.
LOL! Mine tend to look like that except I'm more horizontal than vertical for the route, and that I don't put CRAFT anywhere on the sheet. That's not part of my anti-mnemonic stance. CRAFT is actually useful as a learning tool and also for those who don't do it that often. But once you learn the sequence it teaches, I don't see the need for it.
My impression was that he repeated the spelling to be sure he had it right. As it turns out, the controller corrected one of those.
Good advice. Don't even try to figure it out or picture it mentally while you are taking it down. It's just a bunch of letters and numbers at this stage.
That was general advise, not specific to the video.
Different strokes. And I think tiny ones. I'm not going to read back fixes I know, so maybe he was a little overboard. Then again, when he said "Victor 16" with a questioning lilt in his voice, my first thought was, "really? Must not head that way much." (V16 is basically the equivalent of an highly-used Interstate segment between RIC and JFK).
My point is, don't struggle through a full readback if you have any uncertainties about it. Clarify the uncertainties first, then read back the full clearance efficiently after everything is clarified.
We absolutely agree on the point.
There were actually two times it came up in the video. One was the PXT VOR. The pilot got the letters by called it the wrong name. That didn't need to be corrected because he said the letters correctly. The other was KEYED intersection where the pilot missed the second E. That needed the correction.
Posts like that scare me away from flying. (And I am IFR rated). LOL
I'm glad. If you want, you can watch me screw up a simple taxi clearance once I got to Philadelphia.
You missed it. That was a reroute to someone and somewhere else. I was cleared and flew into PHL as filed with no reroute. Easy peasy.Tedious. I have a work trip to PHL this month and was debating flying myself or not. Might just burn up some credit with United instead if it's gonna be like that
Unless you slowed down the audio, though, that seemed manageable. Not sure it needed the 2 whole minutes of airtime unless he flubbed it first time and got the hooked-on-phonics clearance as punishment
I've flown between North Carolina and Long Island a few times in addition to this Philadelphia flight. My only reroute was when I decided to file something different from the published preferred TEC route. It was accepted by the computer but CD changed it. No big deal. I was on the ground and I knew what to expect as soon as they said they had an amendment.
They are used a bit differently, but I think we only have TEC routes in the northeast, SOCAL and NOCAL. These are areas where TRACONs abut all the way, and in the case of California, where one TRACON covers the whole area.
