So, uhh... wow? (pilot in class Bravo without clearance, McCarran)

Luigi said:
Looks like he departed KHND for Zamperini Field in Ca on June 21.
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Why wouldn't he fly until he gets the call. And the call could take another month. I would think a Bravo violation would be right up there but anything regarding airlines and Covid will probably dominate the FSDO's ASI assignments.
 
FlySince9 said:
Momma never made him finish his broccoli... What a self absorbed mephitic A.H.
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Sierra_Hotel said:
I'm not ashamed to say I had to look that one up :lol: Now that's a quality insult right there.
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benyflyguy said:
Wonder if it’s the same jabroney. Way the report reads certainly possible
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Roger that! That is a quality insult, nicely beyond the usual POA school playground sarcasm. Well done FlySince9. Also jabroney (jabroni), nice.
 
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smv said:
Spoze he got clearance into the Class B on this flight?
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Actually, he did. Interestingly, he did not request any clearance through the Class B (he only request flight following), but the (different) controller on 125.9 (departure) gave it to him just after radar contact. Perhaps KLAS controllers often gives Class B clearances without the pilot requesting them. This doesn't excuse his failure to obtain a clearance and for sure and for certain doesn't excuse his behavior.

For some reason that clown has a tendency to respond "yay" when told something by ATC not requiring a response (e.g., when HND GND told him "readback correct" he said "yay" and when KLAS Departure told him "radar contact 2 miles south of KHND" he said "yay").
 
Bob Noel said:
Actually, he did. Interestingly, he did not request any clearance through the Class B (he only request flight following), but the (different) controller on 125.9 (departure) gave it to him just after radar contact. Perhaps KLAS controllers often gives Class B clearances without the pilot requesting them. This doesn't excuse his failure to obtain a clearance and for sure and for certain doesn't excuse his behavior.

For some reason that clown has a tendency to respond "yay" when told something by ATC not requiring a response (e.g., when HND GND told him "readback correct" he said "yay" and when KLAS Departure told him "radar contact 2 miles south of KHND" he said "yay").
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It's probably a matter of traffic flow, I notice under the Boston Bravo, I will get an unsolicited clearance sometimes, other times it's remain clear or nothing said.
 
PaulS said:
It's probably a matter of traffic flow, I notice under the Boston Bravo, I will get an unsolicited clearance sometimes, other times it's remain clear or nothing said.
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I flew out of KBED. It got so I was thinking that "remain clear" was a reflex response on the part of Boston APP.
 
Bob Noel said:
I flew out of KBED. It got so I was thinking that "remain clear" was a reflex response on the part of Boston APP.
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I think it depends on what you are flying too. If they know you will be out of there relatively quickly they are more likely to clear you. I generally use FF now, so most of the time they will clear me through on call up, if the traffic is flowing correctly.
 
Regarding "remain clear," I've heard that controllers usually prefer to say "remain outside," because "clear" can easily be misheard as "cleared."
 
Bob Noel said:
For some reason that clown has a tendency to respond "yay" when told something by ATC not requiring a response (e.g., when HND GND told him "readback correct" he said "yay" and when KLAS Departure told him "radar contact 2 miles south of KHND" he said "yay").
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I was flying down south and I heard an Mooney (I swear it must have been an M10 as it sounded like the canopy was open) who answered every ATC transmission with "There ya go."
 
Sinistar said:
So it's in a LLC. How does the FSDO figure out who the actual pilot is for the action?

Edit: just saw previous post. He did take the number
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Took me 5 minutes to look up the LLC, find his name, find him on the FAA Airmen database (He's instrument rated, SEL/SES/MEL), then find his cessna.org, flying club, and linked in profiles.

Easy work :cool:
 
Apparently, as some have suggested, there was no emergency revocation of certificate, correct??
Even if there were, what makes you think he will stop flying? I mean, there is no control over that in GA.
 
Kritchlow said:
Apparently, as some have suggested, there was no emergency revocation of certificate, correct??
Even if there were, what makes you think he will stop flying? I mean, there is no control over that in GA.
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Do that and endanger a flight and you could get sued, and or fined and thrown in jail.
 
Ted, that flow chart is hilarious! I love how the “Are you ready to copy a phone number?” has only one choice.
 
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Kritchlow said:
Apparently, as some have suggested, there was no emergency revocation of certificate, correct??
Even if there were, what makes you think he will stop flying? I mean, there is no control over that in GA.
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It’s just another form of lawlessness in our country. When people are allowed to break the law or the rules without consequences, then they will try to get by with something more serious next time.
 
Kritchlow said:
Apparently, as some have suggested, there was no emergency revocation of certificate, correct??
Even if there were, what makes you think he will stop flying? I mean, there is no control over that in GA.
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There is some eventually. The FAA can start levying monetary penalties. And just about every criminal prosecution for operating without a pilot certificate I've read or read about over the past few years has been GA. But that takes multiple deviations caught and a long time and just as with any criminal prosecution, it doesn't stop some people.
 
Laws don’t prevent murder either.
 
Fear of penalty doesn't prevent an act of emotion. That guy sounded fairly emotional to me. It was practically a series of outbursts.
 
Sinistar said:
So it's in a LLC. How does the FSDO figure out who the actual pilot is for the action?

Edit: just saw previous post. He did take the number
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Really good point. I'd like to know that, too! You can easily figure out who the registered agent is, but so what, that doesn't tell you who the pilot is if the registered agent won't volunteer that information. You'd have to subpoena the registered agent in a legal action in order to get that information. And even then, who knows, perhaps a registered agent of a business is allowed to keep the identity of the owner privileged information.
 
In this case the registered agent is most likely the pilot as that agent is a pilot. Looks like his last flight in the 210 was on June 21.
 
kicktireslightfires said:
Really good point. I'd like to know that, too! You can easily figure out who the registered agent is, but so what, that doesn't tell you who the pilot is if the registered agent won't volunteer that information. You'd have to subpoena the registered agent in a legal action in order to get that information. And even then, who knows, perhaps a registered agent of a business is allowed to keep the identity of the owner privileged information.
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You really think it's that difficult to find out who was flying an airplane at a particular time if the FAA wants to? Methinks you need to watch more cop shows :D There's likely to be plenty of circumstantial evidence. I'd start with something simple - who signed the fuel receipt at the FBO?
 
Sierra_Hotel said:
Or maybe a flight plan?
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I would venture to guess that the percentage of vfr flights with filed flight plans is in the single digits. Maybe less.
 
Jim K said:
I would venture to guess that the percentage of vfr flights with filed flight plans is in the single digits. Maybe less.
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I don't disagree. Hence the maybe :)
 
kicktireslightfires said:
Really good point. I'd like to know that, too! You can easily figure out who the registered agent is, but so what, that doesn't tell you who the pilot is if the registered agent won't volunteer that information. You'd have to subpoena the registered agent in a legal action in order to get that information. And even then, who knows, perhaps a registered agent of a business is allowed to keep the identity of the owner privileged information.
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At a high level, the whole point of a registered agent is to accept service of process (e.g., a subpoena) on behalf of a company. In all states, service of process on a registered agent is generally considered the same as serving the company itself (actually, you serve the Secretary of State of the company's state of organization, and the Secretary of State forwards the service to the registered agent - in any event, you have good service). In my experience as a corporate lawyer, it is odd for an individual to serve as a registered agent unless that individual is the (or one of) the owners of a particular company. Not impossible, but it would be as odd as dipping buffalo wings in peanut butter. Not saying the registered agent is THE pilot, but as others have mentioned, it seems the registered agent is also a pilot. Government lawyers come in droves and, this may sound like an old cliche (or a quote from Archer), but they have ways of making people talk. Just my two cents.

I'm a student pilot in ATL and my CFI has put the fear of God in me about busting the ATL Class Bravo. I can't imagine having this guy's reaction if I made a good faith mistake.
 
86Aviator said:
actually, you serve the Secretary of State of the company's state of organization, and the Secretary of State forwards the service to the registered agent - in any event, you have good service)
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Interesting. What state is that? I'm not familiar with service on the SOS except in circumstances when the registered agent can't be located. Hard for me to imagine a SOS office having to process that much paper on a daily basis just as a forwarding agent.
 
Well, according to flight aware he still hasn't flow since June 21.
 
Can the FAA immediately pull someone's ticket for behavior like that?
 
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