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I know Bill, I'm just trying to find out if he uses Google or Bing
Hence the old "on the internet...." cartoon
I know Bill, I'm just trying to find out if he uses Google or Bing
777-200 and I actually FLY the aircraft not just stand around and watch. AND THERE IS NO MAGIC ULTRA SECRET ELT BUTTON !!!!! But hey, keep it up Josey it's really starting to get entertaining !!! What else do you have for us ? I almost can't wait to hear.
Yes! An operator vs. engineer ****ing match. This almost always turns out the same for those without the hands-on experience, at least in my industry.
As I said earlier ELT's were mandated by Congress after two of their members disappeared on a flight in Alaska in 1972 and were never found.
I was in the submarine service, and I agree it's never as easy as a Hollywood script. Considering the time of year and that the surface searches are already being hampered by sea states and surface conditions, I think a submarine has the best chance of locating the man made noise maker (whatever its characteristics) before it dies.
Since the MH370 search is over now...
Since the MH370 search is over now it is time for the lawsuit phase. Since according to the experts here there is no ELT switch available to the pilots this is simply a negligence case by Malaysian Airlines and Boeing. A suing lawyer can easily come up and say:
"An ELT switch installed on piston planes for prompt emergency rescue was not available on the MH370 B777...."
José
Also note that the turn from the northwest heading happened at the hand-off point to Indian ATC (around IGREX). Maybe they couldn't catch SQ68 in time and went to plan B?Interesting plot of Inmarsat's logic at two cruising speeds, 450 & 400 kts:
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It was posted here:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...sengers-protest-against-malaysia-live-updates
Note that the tracks begin after the aircraft had been on a northwest heading, ie, it didn't simply head for an alternate airport and just keep on going. So much for the simple Occam's razor theory...
dtuuri
Since the MH370 search is over now it is time for the lawsuit phase. Since according to the experts here there is no ELT switch available to the pilots this is simply a negligence case by Malaysian Airlines and Boeing. A suing lawyer can easily come up and say:
"An ELT switch installed on piston planes for prompt emergency rescue was not available on the MH370 B777. This is why the pilots could not call for rescue because they didn't have rescue button to press". "Total negligence by the Malaysia Airline and Boeing"
At $5M per passenger this could be very well be a $1+billion case. Not bad for a simple negligence case.
José
I would press the button for the SAT phone and call Gander or Prestwick just like l always do when I can't get comm. Tell me how many hours you have in a 777 ? or are you just an internet picture snipper ?
FYI, the lawsuit phase already started in France a few days after the disappearance.Since the MH370 search is over now it is time for the lawsuit phase.
I don't understand the fascination with ELTs. They are not a cure all nor a guarantee of being found. For one someone has to hear it first. And there's a bit of "boy who cried wolf" syndrome with them. They often are set off in hangars, when they fall off of shelves and land in metal waste baskets in avionics shops, or are packed in UPS containers getting loaded on planes. And those are the easy finds.
But that is just my slightly informed opinion.
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Angling for a job as plaintiff's "expert" witness?
On the subject of ELTs, why can't they engineer ELTs that are on the outside of the airplane that break off and float on impact? If they did that, this crap would have been over weeks ago.
Flying Nun
For you is easy because you just only have to pray for help. For me I have to rely on an ELT hoping Obatman comes to the rescue.
José
I don't understand the fascination with ELTs. They are not a cure all nor a guarantee of being found. For one someone has to hear it first. And there's a bit of "boy who cried wolf" syndrome with them. They often are set off in hangars, when they fall off of shelves and land in metal waste baskets in avionics shops, or are packed in UPS containers getting loaded on planes. And those are the easy finds.
But that is just my slightly informed opinion.
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Wouldn't it float away from the wreckage?? Kinda defeats the purpose.
What are you trying to say here?
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There is a stolen vehicle GPS locator in my car, why can't they have something like that on a plane?
I'm not sure how much you know about 777s, but I think you know less about the law. It doesn't work that way.Since the MH370 search is over now it is time for the lawsuit phase. Since according to the experts here there is no ELT switch available to the pilots this is simply a negligence case by Malaysian Airlines and Boeing. A suing lawyer can easily come up and say:
"An ELT switch installed on piston planes for prompt emergency rescue was not available on the MH370 B777. This is why the pilots could not call for rescue because they didn't have rescue button to press". "Total negligence by the Malaysia Airline and Boeing"
At $5M per passenger this could be very well be a $1+billion case. Not bad for a simple negligence case.
José
I'm not sure how much you know about 777s, but I think you know less about the law. It doesn't work that way.
ELT's are somewhat over rated. No one is required to have a 406Mhz ELT, the mandate only requres you to have a 121.5Mhz ELT which, by the regulatory body's own admission is COMPLETELY OBSOLETE.
MH370 mysteriously disappeared and because of that everyone is in an uproar because they weren't required to have an ELT but even if they had been required and even if it had worked the only difference now would be that we might know where it is. It wouldn't have prevented what happened from happening, all on board would still be dead.
I'm pretty sure that this incident is going to result in a whole slew of new regulations and mandates because that is how we usually end up dealing with things, complete over the top knee jerk reaction. How many times has this happened to an airliner in this exact manner? Answer: ONCE. This isn't something that's occurring on a regular basis, this isn't a pervasive and debilitating problem that is happening over and over again and again like your monthly mass shooting spree (which we BTW have never done anything about) This most likely isn't EVER going to happen again.
But we're gonna make dog gone sure no matter what it costs us that IF it ever happens again we'll be able to find the wreckage in a timely manner.
Wouldn't it float away from the wreckage?? Kinda defeats the purpose.
They blocked 406 ELTs but support ADS-B. I want what they are smoking.The rules you refer to are US rules, other countries require all SAR transponders to be 406. The US would have a couple of years ago, but AOPA got it blocked for your safety.
Lots of private pilots carry a personal locator beacon, or PLB. It is like a battery powered ELT in my pocket. And it is cheap.
Is there a chance we would have found MH370 already if airline pilots on international routes also carried a PLB on their person?
They blocked 406 ELTs but support ADS-B. I want what they are smoking.
Wouldn't it float away from the wreckage?? Kinda defeats the purpose.
The rules you refer to are US rules, other countries require all SAR transponders to be 406. The US would have a couple of years ago, but AOPA got it blocked for your safety.
Whoa hold on there, nobody is stopping me from having a 406Mhz ELT if I want one and nobody is forcing me to have one if I don't. Is there something wrong with that all of a sudden?
Since this was a foreign carrier with the majority of those lost not being Americans I'm not so sure there will be lots of pressure for additional regulation. If this had been an American carrier there would be regulation no doubt.ELT's are somewhat over rated. No one is required to have a 406Mhz ELT, the mandate only requres you to have a 121.5Mhz ELT which, by the regulatory body's own admission is COMPLETELY OBSOLETE.
MH370 mysteriously disappeared and because of that everyone is in an uproar because they weren't required to have an ELT but even if they had been required and even if it had worked the only difference now would be that we might know where it is. It wouldn't have prevented what happened from happening, all on board would still be dead.
I'm pretty sure that this incident is going to result in a whole slew of new regulations and mandates because that is how we usually end up dealing with things, complete over the top knee jerk reaction. How many times has this happened to an airliner in this exact manner? Answer: ONCE. This isn't something that's occurring on a regular basis, this isn't a pervasive and debilitating problem that is happening over and over again and again like your monthly mass shooting spree (which we BTW have never done anything about) This most likely isn't EVER going to happen again.
But we're gonna make dog gone sure no matter what it costs us that IF it ever happens again we'll be able to find the wreckage in a timely manner.
With a 406MHz ELT you have the same data as on ADS-B (GPS position and identity). But unlike ADS-B that only works with ground ATC on land. 406Mhz ELTs have world wide coverage via a satellite network. Ideal for Oceanic ATC. No need for HF position reports or new equipment. Position is reported in a short burst every 50 seconds with little chance of mutual interference. There is a data field in the burst that can be used to indicate flight status emergency/safe.
Apparently they have found over 100+ objects in the water via satellite:
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20140326-704049.html
http://www.latimes.com/world/worldn...e-search-122-objects-20140326,0,6943137.story