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A Southwest 737's Scary, Off Course LaGuardia Go Around
A Southwest Boeing 737 had a bizarre go around at LaGuardia Airport, as the jet was at just 200 feet, but not on course for the runway.
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Where is it factually documented that they got no lower than 200 feet?Where did this overlay image come from? The bottom of that dip seems lower than 200 feet (to me) but maybe there is some foreshortening happening from the perspective angle playing tricks on my eyes. I believe LGA tower is 233 feet tall.
It came from here:Where did this overlay image come from? The bottom of that dip seems lower than 200 feet (to me) but maybe there is some foreshortening happening from the perspective angle playing tricks on my eyes. I believe LGA tower is 233 feet tall.
The notes on the approach plate say it cannot be flown AP coupled, so my guess is you are correct.I’m gonna venture a guess that this approach was hand-flown.
Heh, yeah, that’ll do it.The notes on the approach plate say it cannot be flown AP coupled, so my guess is you are correct.
It came from here:
Take a look at the second approach in Google Earth. Once you click on the link, go to the left side data column, scroll to the bottom, and hit Export KML -> "baro+avg(EGM96 - baro)."
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?ica...m=14.7&showTrace=2024-03-23&leg=4&trackLabels
It’s based on GPS altitude. It’s accurate, which is why it’s scary. I wonder if any doorbell cams captured it at its lowest point.
I think you’re being a little excessive in your assessment of the situation.That overlay is crazy! A ten hour, pre solo, student in a c-150, in a hurricane could fly a better approach after chugging a bottle of Robitussin!(sp?). Surprised they weren’t jumping from the tower!
Hard to say without sitting on their jumpseat.How does something like this happen??
It happens. 20 to 30 not crosswind, your in the soup, all lined up stable, crab angle correct, needles not drifting, then all of a sudden the wind quits, or more drastically it is from the opposite side. Boom off you go.
But your heading doesn’t.When the wind quits your crab angle goes away.
I think you’re being a little excessive in your assessment of how much I value your opinion.I think you’re being a little excessive in your assessment of the situation.
No reason to be rude. Why do you post here if you don’t want to have dialogue?I think you’re being a little excessive in your assessment of how much I value your opinion.
It isn't just the OJT SWA folks--remember the Southwest captain who seized the controls and drove a 737 into the runway nose first, collapsing the gear? Whatever happened to her after being dismissed?Though I work in a SWA plurality shop, everybody except the regionals and NK/F9/B6 type outfits are represented in the flight room. I hear all the inside baseball/training department stories, to include some folks associated with certain flights profiled on the media. No, I'm not gonna doxx my coworkers.
BL, it's not just SWA, but it's not "complicated" either. We [those of us who make a living in flight training] all know and understand the dynamic.
I'll refrain from spelling it out, lest the usual suspects start hyperventilating about it again. My only dog in the fight as a revenue pax, is my distaste for the practice of initial OJT with revenue pax on board. Much to say about the nuances behind that practice, but digressing here for brevity.
The good news is that the hiring slowdown theoretically presents the opportunity for these shops to play catch up on the safety, mentoring, and training standards coming out of newhire training. For the sake of the industry and the flying public, let's hope this is successful before they roll snake eyes again and make the Colgan political reactions seem like dress rehearsal.
Though I work in a SWA plurality shop, everybody except the regionals and NK/F9/B6 type outfits are represented in the flight room.
But your heading doesn’t.
It’s not exactly rocket surgery with a flight director.
I mean, it can be when your crosscheck is atrophied all to hell from not doing it enough beyond that bi-yearly surge in recurrent.
See the paradoxical thing about hand-eye crosscheck is, much like situational awareness.... if you don't have it, you won't miss it.![]()
It’s not exactly rocket surgery with a flight director.
The assumption I made the captain would have been the PF using the hud, if not on the first attempt then definitely on the second but the sequence of voices on the radio don’t align with that….I mean, it can be when your crosscheck is atrophied all to hell from not doing it enough beyond that bi-yearly surge in recurrent.
See the paradoxical thing about hand-eye crosscheck is, much like situational awareness.... if you don't have it, you won't miss it.![]()
To be fair, it was the F/O that messed up that approach. The Captain took over and made the mistake of trying to salvage the landing. She should have taken over and gone around.It isn't just the OJT SWA folks--remember the Southwest captain who seized the controls and drove a 737 into the runway nose first, collapsing the gear? Whatever happened to her after being dismissed?