it’s a lot easier to train someone to fly a particular airplane under IFR if they’re reasonably proficient at flying IFR already, and there are a lot of newbies who aren’t.
They’re asking about Actual or Simulated IFR time. Never seen a logbook that doesn’t have a column for it.
Last flight I filed IFR, but everything broke up before launch. Got my clearance anyway. 0 IMC, but IFR time.
This. As far as I know iFR time doesn’t count for anything unless is actual or simulated IMC. I mean who gives a crap how much IFR time in VMC you have? 61.57 sure doesn’t.
People log all sorts of things that mean something to them whether or not it means anything to the FAA or to anyone else.
§ 61.51 Pilot logbooks.
@EdFred I think we are missing something in your logic for logging.
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Thank you, sir.Great article from IFR magazine that includes the moonless night memo discussion
"Actual" Conditions - IFR Magazine
Youre on a straight-in visual. Although theres not a cloud in the sky, you loaded the ILS for situational awareness. Its early evening and the sun is blinding any attempt to look out the window. You transition to the gauges and fly the approach, intercepting the glideslope and keeping the...
For years I only had columns for actual instrument and simulated instrument and I log those to the 0.n per flight. Then one day a few years back, I saw an application for insurance or a job posting or something, I forget what, but it asked for instrument time AND asked for IFR hours. There was a definite delineation between the two. Since I made my own logbook it was easy enough to add a checkbox, I did so. Will I ever encounter a need for hours flown IFR over instrument? Probably not. But my last flight was IFR. IMC? Nope. So my logook will read 2.4 for flight time, 2.4 XC 2.4 PIC 0 simulated, 0 actual and a box that's checked IFR. When I calculate totals it gives me the number of hours under IFR in addition to everything else that's required for 8710s currency, etc...
Now that you mention it, I think that's where I saw it. I wanted to rent a plane in South Africa and was looking at what was required to convert my certificate so I could get checked out and rent. It may have been the school I was going to rent from or SA's FAA equivalent that asked the question.
Indeed, a decent # of people seem to want to track IFR time for purposes of recording the rules under which the flight was conducted, the same as they may also want to segregate Part 91 flights from Part 121 or other.
Yep. It’s not typically logged, but I think it can help illustrate the difference between someone boring holes in the sky with a 152 VFR, vs, say flying in the flight levels, SIDs, STARs, etc.
Sure. In the self-created eLogbook I used before MFB, I had a field for “mountain flight.” Meaningless to most but since I was teaching mountain flying, it helped answer the, “how much mountain time do you have” I was asked by a perspective client once in a while.
It also has a property for IFR time, to track flight time under instrument flight rules. That one doesn't do anything for you except count the time, but it can be useful for various reasons either personal or professional. Same with the property for animal passengers.
That makes much more sense. I knew there was some logic behind what you were doing ......
No. Same as it ever was.
I'm not sure what you mean by "FAA Category as IFR Time". IFR time is the time that you're flying under instrument flight rules (vs. VFR, presumably). This is indeed completely distinct from "instrument time" (e.g., you could be IFR on a sunny day with no view limiting device). To my knowledge, the FAA doesn't care about that particular metric, but that doesn't mean that the metric doesn't exist or that it needs FAA blessing to exist. Many pilots do track this for their own reasons or for their employers reasons.
IFR time is NOT instrument time. Related, but completely independent things. See my post above.
There is no such time category in 61.51. NOR is it a required aeronautical experience category for any rating or currency. It's meaningless. It's like having a column for "Time flown while wearing shorts."
I considered a column for "new balance time", but then I realized that would just be the same as total time.
IFR time may be meaningful personally or, apparently, professionally. It's just not meaningful to the FAA. Just like "time flown while wearing shorts" might be meaningful personally to evaluate whether flying really is the most fun you can have with your pants on and "time flown while listening to audiobooks" might be meaningful to decide which audio panel or headset to get. In my case, I log passenger names and animal passengers so I can tell you I have flown 29 times with my Dad and 33 times with my dog. It's easy to log and fun to reminisce. It's meaningful to someone, even if the only someone it's meaningful to is me.
Right, I didn't say you couldn't log it. My statement he was complaining about said there was no "FAA definition of IFR time."
Then he would be best to follow the rules of whatever country has for logging that category. My statement is that the FAA has no such definition.
Oh how nice it must be to live in such a small little world.
