Garmin Upcoming Announcement

Racerx said:
Maybe thats the announcement
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I want to live in a world where Garmin spends a ton of money on advertising all over the place for a timed reveal, and then announces to the world that they've approved their CPDLC for a 1966 Piper Cherokee Cs. The howls of disappointment would be glorious.

Heck, I'm about to deploy for a bit. I should volunteer my bird for the STC approval in exchange for a free install. Haha!
 
masloki said:
Surely, someone can vibe code this with Claude. I kind of want to try. Anyone have a handy database of fixes? When a controller says "banky" that could be BENKY, BANKY, BANKI, BNKEY, etc.
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Vibe code an app for your phone, use a splitter and a USB adapter to feed headset audio to it, and Bob's your uncle.
 
Ahh, something I can't install that probably won't work at most of the airports I go to. My days of hanging onto an ancient 530W are certainly coming to a middle.
 
StraightnLevel said:
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Beans, ground or pods?
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It's Garmin. Pods, shaped like everyone else's but engineered to be completely incompatible. The water will be dispensed from proprietary water cartridges that include monitoring hardware that prevents them from being refilled or moved between units. You'll have to buy all of then through a Garmin authorized dealer at a cost of around $20 per cup... plus the annual $499.99 subscription for the coffee feature software unlock code.
 
Garmin Axis. Upgrade path from G3X Touch. Reuses a lot of existing sensors. Also seems to be targeting those considering Dynon with the AIO display mindset.
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Next-generation flight displays for experimental and Class I/II certified aircraft with optional built-in IFR GPS/NAV/COMM and audio panel.
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this is incredible, if I wasn't already literally in the middle of my upgrade, I would do an 11 and an 8 with the built in navcom and call it done
 
Wow. My first impression is that they absolutely hit this out of the park. Much more powerful, more capabilities, and (most importantly) plays well with existing hardware. Seems like they thought this one through.
 
Cool for go-fast guys. I see no reason to upgrade my G3X Touch in my low and slow Cub. I wonder if Garmin will add any capability to my G3X with firmware updates? Time will tell. I do appreciate that they continue to innovate.
 
I've been planning a panel refresh for some time to replace my 2-screen non-touch G3X and TruTrak GX Pilot autopilot, all of which are showing signs of age. My com/nav suite, consisting of an SL 30, GTN 650, and a PE audio panel, seems to be aging more gracefully. That said I'll probably yank everything and start over, but I want to learn more about the new system and weigh the pros and cons of maybe keeping select components, like the GTN, from my current setup. In any event Looks like I finally got the timing right on something for a change. :biggrin:
 
Back up and AP Driver:

When asking the nice Garmin people at Oshkosh last year about the G3X, they mentioned that a single GI 275 wouldn't be an acceptable back up, and that I'd have to have two GI 275's. Additionally, the GI 275 would still have to drive the GFC 500, or the G3X would, but one would have to be out of the loop / couldn't drive the AP.

I'm guessing that now 1) a single GI 275 would back up the new Axis display, and 2) if the Axis display failed the back up GI 275 would now also control the GFC 500 AP. This would be similar to how a single G5 and the G3x now work.
 
FYI, over in the thread that posted the link to up in post #50, the Garmin Team is actively answering questions on the new system.
 
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Garmin Debuts AXIS For GA Panels

New Garmin AXIS system combines flight display, IFR GPS, NAV/COMM and audio panel functions in a single display.
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Initial 11.6-inch AXIS displays are expected to be available in July. Garmin said the STC covers hundreds of certified Part 23 Class I and II piston singles and twins, while the 8-inch displays, certified twin EIS and GFC 600 compatibility are expected in early 2027.


Pricing discussed for AXIS during the briefing included $8,000 for an experimental VFR system with air data and attitude sensors, $28,000 for an 11.6-inch display with built-in IFR GPS, NAV/COMM and audio panel capability, and $51,800 for dual 11.6-inch displays with dual IFR GPS/NAV/COMM capability. Garmin also said display-only upgrades from G3X Touch would be priced at $6,000 for experimental aircraft and $10,000 for certified aircraft.
 
tsts4 said:
FYI, over in the thread that posted the link to up in post #50, the Garmin Team is actively answering questions on the new system.
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So …. Why doesn’t the POA get its own Garmin supplied intro guy answering our questions? All you have to do is spend a few weeks here to understand the type of folk that are here and what serious questions we’d ask.

And….. I answered my own question. :D
 
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Stewartb said:
It isn’t always about better. It’s business. Garmin needs to maintain their market domination and to stimulate sales. We’re all suckers for shiny new gadgets. I have a G3X Touch and it does way more than I need as it is, so I’ll watch to see the new big thing, and will be happy that my “old” G3X Touch still does everything I need it to. At least until Garmin sunsets support, and I don’t expect that to happen for a long time.
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How long is a long time? The GNS430W was released in December 2006, no longer for sale in 2012 and announced sunsetting in March 2023. The G3X Touch was released in March 2014. If that holds true, you got 7 years.
 
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This looks really interesting. I have quotes in hand for upgrading my 430W to a 650, adding the GFC500, and swapping the vacuum instruments for GI-275s. The Axis approach may make a lot more sense. I can get rid of my whole stack except for the transponder, which will make everything a lot simpler. Only problem is that now I have to cut or replace the panel, and it will lose the vintage look…..hmmm…..

My only question is this:

With all the functions that they integrated into the 11.6 PFD, why not add the transponder as well?
 
Clip4 said:
How long is a long time? The GNS430W was released in December 2006, no longer for sale in 2012 and announced sunsetting in March 2023. The G3X Touch was released in March 2014. If that holds true, you got 7 years.
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The other way to look at it is, you've got 7, maybe 10 years before you might have to do something with it.

The G3X is a great screen/system, and if it does what the person needs it to do, then IMHO use it until you run the knobs off of it.

My feeling is that although the Axis looks amazing, it vs the G3X isn't the magnitude of capability upgrade you saw with the GNS vs GTNxi. So if I was buying new, I'd get the Axis. If I had a G3X already and was happy with it, I'd probably stick with it.
 
StraightnLevel said:
This looks really interesting. I have quotes in hand for upgrading my 430W to a 650, adding the GFC500, and swapping the vacuum instruments for GI-275s. The Axis approach may make a lot more sense. I can get rid of my whole stack except for the transponder, which will make everything a lot simpler. Only problem is that now I have to cut or replace the panel, and it will lose the vintage look…..hmmm…..

My only question is this:

With all the functions that they integrated into the 11.6 PFD, why not add the transponder as well?
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I'm wondering - will it be a year or so before they will have the units in hand along with all of the needed accessories to get you scheduled in the avionics shop?

And..... yeah, not to be a Debbie Downer ... how many the new equipment / new software bugs / new installation / new configuration quirks will be encountered by the early adopters?
 
WDD said:
I'm wondering - will it be a year or so before they will have the units in hand along with all of the needed accessories to get you scheduled in the avionics shop?

And..... yeah, not to be a Debbie Downer ... how many the new equipment / new software bugs / new installation / new configuration quirks will be encountered by the early adopters?
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Well, I fly a J35 Bonanza, so some new early adoption quirks would be a welcome change from the current crop of antique unobtanium part quirks that go along with mid-century spam cans.
 
WDD said:
The other way to look at it is, you've got 7, maybe 10 years before you might have to do something with it.

The G3X is a great screen/system, and if it does what the person needs it to do, then IMHO use it until you run the knobs off of it.

My feeling is that although the Axis looks amazing, it vs the G3X isn't the magnitude of capability upgrade you saw with the GNS vs GTNxi. So if I was buying new, I'd get the Axis. If I had a G3X already and was happy with it, I'd probably stick with it.
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Garmin was smart to use the same footprint for the G3X and Axis.
 
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To me, they nailed it. If I didn't already have a GTN750xi, GTX375, GTR205 and a couple of GI275s partially installed, I would have done this new thing in a seocnd. It would be WAY cheaper and better in the end.
 
I never understood why you needed a separate Nav box to do IFR on a flat panel MFD. You have a processor, a screen, and an input for a GPS antenna. Why not do it on board?

Weird how it didn't save any money though.
 
Ed Haywood said:
I never understood why you needed a separate Nav box to do IFR on a flat panel MFD. You have a processor, a screen, and an input for a GPS antenna. Why not do it on board?
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My guess is that it had to do with the size of the electronics and the fact that you can't have a single function failure bringing down the entire unit. For example, perhaps back in the day you needed an entire box full of electronics to implement GPS but today you only need a small PCB.
 
Ed Haywood said:
Garmin was smart to use the same footprint for the G3X and Axis.
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The video seemed to imply that at least some of the connections are the same too. It'd be interesting to see to what extent. I suppose we'll find out soon enough.
Stewartb said:
I have a G3X Touch and it does way more than I need as it is, so I’ll watch to see the new big thing, and will be happy that my “old” G3X Touch still does everything I need it to. At least until Garmin sunsets support, and I don’t expect that to happen for a long time.
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I'll bet you're really happy about the "drop-in replacement" capability so that you can have your cake and eat it too.
 
I think Dynon stole their thunder with the IFR navigation capability announcement. Just like that, Garmin has some potentially serious competition that doesn't force people to go to a dealer network (and no, I don't think Avidyne is serious competition for Garmin).

Ed Haywood said:
I never understood why you needed a separate Nav box to do IFR on a flat panel MFD
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At some point, certifying that all the software bits won't step on each other's toes and crash the whole thing becomes pretty expensive and time consuming.
That's why even displays designed for transport category aircraft sometimes put the GPS and FMS in separate boxes. And if the FMS is internal to the display, it's usually a case of four installed displays with only two of them running the FMS code, and the other two available for back-up.
 
cowman said:
Maybe they're going to expand the autoland systems to be retrofitted into legacy aircraft.
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I fully expect this to happen at some point, and the AXIS is probably going to be at the middle of it... Or maybe the next generation of AXIS. ("AXISXi"? :rofl:)

Really, the only thing missing is autothrottle. They figured it out for Cirrus, they'll get it to everyone else before too long. In fact, they may only be limited by an exclusivity contract with Cirrus. It might be more difficult to do an autothrottle on a vernier though.

Stewartb said:
It isn’t always about better. It’s business. Garmin needs to maintain their market domination and to stimulate sales. We’re all suckers for shiny new gadgets. I have a G3X Touch and it does way more than I need as it is, so I’ll watch to see the new big thing, and will be happy that my “old” G3X Touch still does everything I need it to. At least until Garmin sunsets support, and I don’t expect that to happen for a long time.
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Ah, but this shiny new display can be neatly dropped into the hole your G3X Touch currently occupies... (Where's the "dangling carrot" emoji?)
 
According to this video they were able to convert 2x Sling TSIs from 2X G3X plus 750 to 2s Axis in 4 days. Complete with new wiring harnesses.

This is a huge savings in install costs.
 
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