What do you believe is flying over New Jersey?

Hang 4 said:
One reason I'm harping on this one as a bit of a panic is some of the "solutions" being bandied about on the news. Was listening this morning to a reporter that was shocked that local police "didn't know what was going on in their airspace". Can you imagine the consequences if local police somehow have a role in that? Panic causes lousy regulations.
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Yes, that is why I mentioned Kirby's quote (see post # 115). Maybe there is a "rest of the story" ... :dunno:
 
Does someone have a sectional and some markings of where these have been seen?
 
John Collins said:
What can be dangerous is when citizens take things into their own hands and start shooting at the drones. I am not flying at night until this unwarranted panic over airplanes at night ends
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The panic will be over when the government tells us the truth,
OR
The panic will just be getting started when the government tells us the truth.
 
Government has told us the truth, planes mistakenly identified as drones. It's really that simple. It doesn't make sense to any of us here because we're used to having to identify them in all kinds of situations. The average person sees a news report about unidentified drones which are really planes taking off and landing and all of a sudden that's what they see too, swarms of drones terrorizing their neighborhoods.
 
I’m concerned that some fool citizen will see one of these “drones” and try to play the hero in their mind and start shooting at an airplane.
 
Sierra_Hotel said:
Government has told us the truth, planes mistakenly identified as drones. It's really that simple. It doesn't make sense to any of us here because we're used to having to identify them in all kinds of situations. The average person sees a news report about unidentified drones which are really planes taking off and landing and all of a sudden that's what they see too, swarms of drones terrorizing their neighborhoods.
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Sierra_Hotel said:
Government has told us the truth, planes mistakenly identified as drones. It's really that simple. It doesn't make sense to any of us here because we're used to having to identify them in all kinds of situations. The average person sees a news report about unidentified drones which are really planes taking off and landing and all of a sudden that's what they see too, swarms of drones terrorizing their neighborhoods.
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If there's anything I know about normal people, it's that they don't typically pay attention to aircraft around them. Suddenly something happens in the news that makes them look up for the first time, ever, and they are not equipped to spot or identify aircraft, nor to track their position/type using flightradar or similar. And they are not familiar with the concept of confirmation bias. These things combined, and mixed with social media and bad internet-based media outlets, create an amusing (and potentially dangerous) concoction of frenzy and ever-escalating conspiracy theories.
 
AV8R_87 said:
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Flatiowa said:
Humanity was good while it lasted, I gotta go to the store now and get some brawndo, it’s got electrolytes.
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Quoted from the joke thread, and bad form quoting myself, but ya, I’ve actually seen this label and it was few years ago, I switched brands after that so idk if it is still on their packaging. I think I will add on a deep freezer full of beef and enough eggs to pickle 40 quarts worth to the shopping list for tomorrow.
AV8R_87 said:
I think we're in a "Wag the Dog" situation here. Somebody is distracting us (or attempting to) while other important things are going on without anyone noticing.
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There’s no need to fear what’s going on. Yet.

But neither is it a laughing matter.

It is very doubtful that DARPA or any other US Agency is responsible.

It could conceivably be an elaborate public relations effort by some commercial concern, but that would beg the question, to what end?
Another “War of the Worlds” publicity stunt?

Any other explanation needs to be carefully investigated, since as a worst case scenario, a small nation-state or terrorist organization could use a fleet of drones to identify and precisely locate possible targets for later attack.

The DOD needs to get off its **s and do its job. This is not a law enforcement problem.

It is inconceivable that our Federal Government seems more than willing to ignore an unknown number of any type of aircraft flying over one of the most densely populated areas in this country. Particularly since there have been numerous reports of unidentified drone flights over US Military installations here in the States, as well as in Europe. This has been ongoing for several months now. I’d certainly hope that our military leadership can prioritize such an obvious threat to national security over their pronoun training programs.

The longer our government continues to minimize and deflect, the more likely that they know exactly what these craft are, and what they’re doing, while overflying these target rich environments. This begs the question, why would they do this?

Our military has the capability to locate and bring down one or more of these vehicles; it should be done immediately, unless and until the owners/operators are identified.

Publicly.

It’s way too late in the day for secrets.
 
orca64 said:
It is inconceivable that our Federal Government seems more than willing to ignore an unknown number of any type of aircraft flying over one of the most densely populated areas in this country.
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I guess you’re unaware that many of us take our small planes up at will, VFR, and fly over densely populated areas without informing anyone in the gov’t what we’re doing, and the government is “willing to ignore” our activities.

Such is freedom.


orca64 said:
Our military has the capability to locate and bring down one or more of these vehicles; it should be done immediately, unless and until the owners/operators are identified.
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Yeah, sure. And when the vehicle turns out to be piloted by some PP up for a sightseeing flight and minding his own business, what then? Are we going to start shooting down legally operated craft just because we don’t know who’s flying it or what it’s doing?

Folks, if we’re not careful, this will rapidly turn into a requirement for ALL aircraft to be on flight plans and under ATC control at all times, and the freedom we’ve enjoyed will be gone.
 
I'm not panicking. I still remember the last time the public spotted something fantastic and I got all worked up over nothing... Fool me once!

 
Half Fast said:
I guess you’re unaware that many of us take our small planes up at will, VFR, and fly over densely populated areas without informing anyone in the gov’t what we’re doing, and the government is “willing to ignore” our activities.

Such is freedom.




Yeah, sure. And when the vehicle turns out to be piloted by some PP up for a sightseeing flight and minding his own business, what then? Are we going to start shooting down legally operated craft just because we don’t know who’s flying it or what it’s doing?

Folks, if we’re not careful, this will rapidly turn into a requirement for ALL aircraft to be on flight plans and under ATC control at all times, and the freedom we’ve enjoyed will be gone.
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Actually, I’ve been well aware for 47 years now.

However, I’ve never been able to hover in my Cherokee or my Cessna.

Could you enlighten me?

There may be one or two GA planes being misidentified, but the narrative that they’re all small aircraft is simply not believable.
 
orca64 said:
Actually, I’ve been well aware for 47 years now.

However, I’ve never been able to hover in my Cherokee or my Cessna.

Could you enlighten me?

There may be one or two GA planes being misidentified, but the narrative that they’re all small aircraft is simply not believable.
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People are similarly free to operate drones while following all applicable laws. I know a couple of people in my immediate area who do so for photography (for either artistic or freelance journalism purposes).
Do you know what class of airspace these craft are operating in?
 
www.cdc.gov

USDA Reported H5N1 Bird Flu Detections in US Backyard and Commercial Poultry

In February 2022, USDA’s APHIS announced an HPAI A(H5N1) virus outbreak in commercial poultry.
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I personally am far more concerned about this than “UFO’s”. And yes the government is being open to those whom look for it. And it’s not just poultry, it’s in the cattle herds, too, but the news is worried about lights in the sky, ask any Joe shmo on the street about H5n1 and they will look at you like you are from mars… wag the dog. What little reporting is done and the common sense advice from the government to not drink raw milk when the cattle herds are infected (not to mention anybody who has actually milked cows will know that milk comes from the bottom dirty end of cows, and cows lay down to chew their cud, udders are never clean) is met with backlash.
 
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orca64 said:
However, I’ve never been able to hover in my Cherokee or my Cessna.

Could you enlighten me?
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Well, you see, a while back someone invented these aircraft called helicopters.....

Sure, some are drones. So? That doesn’t mean we can just shoot down someone’s property simply because we don’t know who’s operating it or why.
 
Ok, is anyone here flying an experimental within range of the NJ area want to get some lights and perform some "social experiments". Asking for a friend.
 
I think that those of you that claim to know exactly what is happening are just as naive as those ignorant people that can't tell a plane from a helicopter or a drone or a Chinese balloon.

The only thing that I 'think' is true is that the government knows what is going on and is not telling us. Yet.

OBTW, Don't look up!
 
orca64 said:
Any other explanation needs to be carefully investigated, since as a worst case scenario, a small nation-state or terrorist organization could use a fleet of drones to identify and precisely locate possible targets for later attack.

The DOD needs to get off its **s and do its job. This is not a law enforcement problem.
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A) Why do you need big spy drones to figure out where things are? Google earth gives you 99.9% of it. Satellites can provide most of the rest.
B) The DOD has done its job. It has said (effectively) "We've looked, but don't see the types of things that are being reported." The problem (like with bigfoot) is that there's no way to prove something doesn't exist. So the rumor/fearmongering/whatever continues because the military can't say "We've proven those drones don't exist."
 
JOhnH said:
I think that those of you that claim to know exactly what is happening are just as naive as those ignorant people that can't tell a plane from a helicopter or a drone or a Chinese balloon.

The only thing that I 'think' is true is that the government knows what is going on and is not telling us. Yet.

OBTW, Don't look up!
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I have not claimed to know what's happening.

But with Occam's Razor as my guiding principle, when you have a ton of people who don't know squat about aviation looking up at the night sky for the first time in admittedly high traffic areas, and are asked to amplify the most alarming accusations, what is really the most reasonable explanation?

I am not a doctor. But any time I have a new, unexplained and minor health issue, which explanation that I come across that has overlapping symptoms on WebMD is the one that pings my reptilian brain the most and blasts a cartoon exclamation point above my head? Is it the list of most likely and benign explanations, or the low probability, high impact, "C" word explanation at the bottom?

Dramatic ruminations on low probability, high impact occurrences will get orders of magnitude greater numbers of likes, clicks, and views than the benign ones. And while Occam's Razor is my guiding principle in the meatverse, the previous sentence is the guiding principle of the internet.
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midlifeflyer said:
I have literally paid no attention to this thing. My wife asked me about it yesterday and I said, “what?”

It may have already been said in this thread, but I suspect reports by people who can’t pump their own gas.
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Too funny. My wife asked me the same last night. Super busy week and beyond headlines had not looked into it. Which brought me directly to PoA. Ha!

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I looked at the location for many of the NJ drone sightings, one was Somerset Co, the other right next to that. This just happens to be under the common downwind leg for airliners setting up for 22L at Newark.
I don’t trust what a lot of the general public reports, as far as these sightings.

One picture I saw was clearly a helicopter, another an AA passenger jet.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Los_Angeles
 
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