Governor signs ban on 100LL into law

Ok, need to get any important Cali sightseeing done in the next few years.
 
Absolutely, each State has rights.

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
 
So, how long will it take before the FBOs start calling up GAMI to get their orders in for G100UL ?

It does not require a huge stretch of the imagination to foresee a supply shortage resulting from a number of sites procrastinating the changeover in the hopes that the ban won't actually go into effect. Proactive ones may decide to get in front of it as risk mitigation.....or maybe not.
 
"Ok, need to get any important Cali sightseeing done in the next few years."

We just finished our Cali sightseeing - by Toyota (currently on our way home from a cross country road trip). Last fillup in Cali along I-5 was $6.19. Yesterday morning we filled up near Winslow Arizona along I-40 for $3.03. Looks like this morning in Santa Rosa, New Mexico will be $2.85. When we get home and I'm back in our Ercoupe I'm looking at $6.25 for 100LL (full service) - only a few cents more than some mogas in California.

There's a good chance that Cali avgas will be quite expensive.
 
StraightnLevel said:
So, how long will it take before the FBOs start calling up GAMI to get their orders in for G100UL ?

It does not require a huge stretch of the imagination to foresee a supply shortage resulting from a number of sites procrastinating the changeover in the hopes that the ban won't actually go into effect. Proactive ones may decide to get in front of it as risk mitigation.....or maybe not.
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It won't be the FBO's but their fuel distributor that will make that call. And it won't be to GAMI but to the wholesaler that blends the fuel into the final product; GAMI will license the fuel producer to blend their patented product. The FBO's may pressure the fuel distributor, with whom they have a contract, to supply a 100UL product but, as long as they have a contract the distributor will be calling the shots.
 
Llewtrah381 said:
State’s rights - right?

If a deadline for ADS-B hadn’t been set, its use still wouldn’t be widespread. Sometimes you need to give a deadline to the adult kid to move out to get them to move out.
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That's right. It's the states right to limit what their citizens have access to, as long as it doesn't violate the constitution.

But for every good example of "setting a deadline", I can provide a bad example of it that's far worse.
 
Can't wait to see what FBO's in California will be selling their unleaded aviation fuel replacement for. Guess there will be pickups with covered beds and large tanks driving back and forth to Nevada and Arizona for the monthly 100LL run.

How long before California starts monitoring GA airports for illegal refuelings? LOL

Wasn't it Thomas Jefferson said "The government you elect is the government you deserve"? ;)
 
Doc Holliday said:
Can't wait to see what FBO's in California will be selling their unleaded aviation fuel replacement for. Guess there will be pickups with covered beds and large tanks driving back and forth to Nevada and Arizona for the monthly 100LL run.
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It sounds like there's a business opportunity here for every FBO that sits right along the opposite side of the CA border.

It reminds me of the Southern beer stores that sit right next to the border of a dry county. Highest volume business in the area.....
 
Everyone realizes absolutely nothing will change about flying in CA as a result of this law for 6+ more years, right?

Based on progress to date, there's certainly no guarantee than an UL fuel will be widely available by then, but it's also not certain that it won't be. Panty-wadding can afford to wait at least another couple of years....
 
Beachy said:
"Ok, need to get any important Cali sightseeing done in the next few years."

We just finished our Cali sightseeing - by Toyota (currently on our way home from a cross country road trip). Last fillup in Cali along I-5 was $6.19. Yesterday morning we filled up near Winslow Arizona along I-40 for $3.03. Looks like this morning in Santa Rosa, New Mexico will be $2.85. When we get home and I'm back in our Ercoupe I'm looking at $6.25 for 100LL (full service) - only a few cents more than some mogas in California.

There's a good chance that Cali avgas will be quite expensive.
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We’re currently on a road trip in California. All the way here from Florida, gas wasn’t too bad. But here in CA it’s well over four bucks a gallon - about $1.30 more than at home. The gas stations out in the desert reslly gouge people - $6.69 for 87 in, I think it was Ludlow. And it’s not like it’s up some remote canyon; the gas station is a hundred yards off of I-40 and tankers go by every day.

I am so glad I left this state.
 
Just got back from Napa (on the airlines). Car gas in California is $1.50/gallon more than it is here in the Carolinas.
 
Is 100LL for sale today in California?
 
Let'sgoflying! said:
Ok, need to get any important Cali sightseeing done in the next few years.
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I’ve done a lot of Cali sightseeing, starting in the 70s, up to maybe 2010 or so. Ditto for the coastal cities in Washington and Oregon. I enjoyed every bit of it.

But I’m saddened by what the political hacks have done to run such scenic wonders into the ground. Having seen them in their glory days, I don’t anticipate ever going back.
 
cowman said:
Yes, the ban doesn't take effect until 2030. My expectation is it will get pushed back but it's CA so maybe not.
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Ban takes effect in 2031, so one year buffer on the EPA 2030 date. Feelgood legislation? Maybe...

Paul
 
Salty said:
But for every good example of "setting a deadline", I can provide a bad example of it that's far worse.
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Okay, let’s have “far worse” than getting lead out of the environment.
 
ateamer said:
After living in California for 38 years, being gone for six years after moving to Florida, and driving back for a visit, I am even happier that I left and have no regrets.
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It’s funny because I know more than a few people who gleefully left New York for Florida a few years ago who are back.
 
flyingron said:
Just got back from Napa (on the airlines). Car gas in California is $1.50/gallon more than it is here in the Carolinas.
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Even if the fuel taxes were equal, your gasoline in the Carolinas is not the same fuel as California. California requires its own blend to reduce smog.
 
Bob Noel said:
Absolutely, each State has rights.

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
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I can see a challenge based on the Interstate Commerce Clause. CA is such a large user it will gave an effect on the rest of the nation; MO used this to contest CA’s mandate for electric vehicles.(still being litigated)

Article I, Section 8, Clause 3
Congress shall have power to regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes"
 
mryan75 said:
Okay, let’s have “far worse” than getting lead out of the environment.
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Yes, lead needs to be removed from use wherever practicable. I think that that majority agree with this premise, so it's a matter of how we accomplish it.

The question at hand is whether a single state should attempt to force regulation of an interstate/international industry. The FAA, NTSB and EPA have jurisdiction, with ICAO potentially weighing in, as well. How many local loudmouth politicians should be allowed to create a nationwide patchwork of differing regulatory traps? Does anyone really believe that having different rules in every state, county, and city makes sense for transit of any sort?
 
Palmpilot said:
Just working towards equal time for all the California-bashing we get on this forum.
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you do realize that not all places that have high cost of living are actually nice places to live, right?

and there are really nice places that don't have a high cost of living...
 
Bob Noel said:
you do realize that not all places that have high cost of living are actually nice places to live, right?

and there are really nice places that don't have a high cost of living...
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Some might opine that a lower cost of living is a requirement for a "nice place to live"....
 
ateamer said:
After living in California for 38 years, being gone for six years after moving to Florida, and driving back for a visit, I am even happier that I left and have no regrets.
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I'm glad you're happy with where you're living; I'm happy with where I'm living too.
 
Clip4 said:
Even if the fuel taxes were equal, your gasoline in the Carolinas is not the same fuel as California. California requires its own blend to reduce smog.
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So are you going to truck in Carolina fuel to use in your California fuel? My comment was directed at the poster who commented that the mogas plane users were gloating now.
 
We all know the major problem with California, we need the darn wall...to keep the kook tourists out! Locals only bruh! Don't be mad at me because my impromptu random tuesday night looks like the vacation you have been planning with your wife and friends for 6 months.

Btw, the argument that states don't have rights when exercising those rights may affect other states is just precious.
 
NoBShere said:
We all know the major problem with California, we need the darn wall...to keep the kook tourists out! Locals only bruh! Don't be mad at me because my impromptu random tuesday night looks like the vacation you have been planning with your wife and friends for 6 months.
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Change "California" to "Florida" and we are in 100% agreement.
 
NoBShere said:
Btw, the argument that states don't have rights when exercising those rights may affect other states is just precious.
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"Interstate Commerce" and international trade are clearly defined as responsibilities of the FEDERAL government under the Constitution. When planes fly from another state or another nation, they are operating under FEDERAL regulation, not state regulation.
 
StraightnLevel said:
"Interstate Commerce" and international trade are clearly defined as responsibilities of the FEDERAL government under the Constitution. When planes fly from another state or another nation, they are operating under FEDERAL regulation, not state regulation.
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The feds cover the flight of aircraft, but states and municipalities can set rules on aircraft when they're not in flight, like where they can land, how they're stored, and... what kind of fuel may be sold.

Of course, "interstate commerce" has been stretched all out of shape, often including anything that conceivably might be used in interstate commerce.
 
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