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To be fair, the equipment shack in that picture almost certainly contains more than just that for the DME.I think it includes the red/white enclosure.
To be fair, the equipment shack in that picture almost certainly contains more than just that for the DME.I think it includes the red/white enclosure.
While there are 592 radio stations in Florida, most of them are FM which legacy ADF cannot use. According to Radio-Locator.com Florida has 209 AM stations, more than enough to dial up a station within 40 miles of your location in a pinch. I live in Virginia which has 131, and the GPS interruption occurred in Ohio which has 111. I'd say my flight that day had the potential to use maybe 10 or more different AM stations along my route, including one less than 8 miles from my home airport. That's more than the VORs that were available, including Cassonova which was out of service at the time.Yeah! That was MY post! But you might agree that with 592 AM radio stations in Florida it would be nice to have a simple device that keeps a running estimate of your position by utilizing them as a backup to GPS. https://radiostation.info/am/florida/
Seems like they could just "turn it back on"Bring back LORAN, lol.
that was regarding LORAN....Seems like they could just "turn it back on"
Probably not though......
Those coordinates seem preposterously precise. 0.00000000000001 degrees is a resolution of 0.00000004 inches, or approximately 1 nanometer. Or about 1/3 the width of a DNA molecule. If I did my math right.(34.06259460717931, -77.91309685852718).
Bring back LORAN, lol.
I’ll offer a one word solution: Omega.
I used it while in the Navy. But it has its quirks, too.
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straight from a click on google mapsThose coordinates seem preposterously precise. 0.00000000000001 degrees is a resolution of 0.00000004 inches, or approximately 1 nanometer. Or about 1/3 the width of a DNA molecule. If I did my math right.
Oh, I believe you, I just see any reason for any navigation software to provide coordinates at the molecular level!straight from a click on google maps
yeah, I think 7 digits gives you to less than an inch and 6 to less than a foot.Oh, I believe you, I just see any reason for any navigation software to provide coordinates at the molecular level!
Good Question. Actually, both questions. The first being, @Lon Stratton's: why don't we just turn it back on? Almost all of the equipment has been disposed of and the towers torn down as indicated in Brad's post. This was done under the Obama administration (not making a judgement on his time as President, just giving context as to the timeline) and we had been moving toward disestablishing LORAN for several years up to that point. The decision was made during his tenure to finally flip the switch. At that time, there were a couple sites in very remote locations (Alaska, for example) that remained operational for a while. To my knowledge those have been disestablished as well. So no, we can't just turn them back on unfortunately. As for the question about the land, the answer varies widely. In some places, land was given back to local land management whether that be federal, local, tribal, state, whatever. In a few others, the federal government found other uses for the land. More often than not, it was repurposed for conservation of some sort. If I remember correctly, the LORAN site on the northern tip of Galveston Island, for example is a bird sanctuary today.that was regarding LORAN....
Just a few weeks ago I was back home in NC visiting family and took a scenic drive past the old Loran station near Carolina Beach (34.06259460717931, -77.91309685852718). I noticed the old Loran towers have been torn down and I was wondering what the Coast Guard is doing with that land these days....
With an integrated system, it could find initial position from a connection to your GPS. Like some ELTs do.Operationally, when you turned on the radio power, and the display came up, input the airport you are on, and it has a fix for a stating point. As you fly, the fix should remain very good. With a database of airports, it would also be capable oe 'direct to' guidance to any airport, or search and display 'Nearest airport'. My old database RNAV LORAN, had this capability, but it is now in the College Park Aviation Museum,
The Poles were recognized for their flying ability during the Battle of Britain, so…But loran had distance limitations, whereas the vlf/omega was good world wide. Not sure about the poles.