Visiting Nordic Countries (Norway/Sweden/Finland)

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No, not by GA, unfortunately, but has anyone visited these countries on business or as a tourist? My wife and I are thinking of taking the family (us + 2 kids) over next spring/summer, which I'm guessing would be more ideal than the middle of winter.

Henning suggested taking Icelandair with a stopover in Iceland, which sounds interesting as well.

Does anyone have enough experience in those countries to provide advice or suggestions (even if the suggestion is, "Go somewhere else")?


Thanks,
JKG
 
Been to Denmark a number of times.

Some of the most beautiful women in the world.
 
I was born and raised in Sweden. Go in the Summer - August is your best bet if you want to have any chance of seeing the sun (and then it only sets for a couple of hours each night). Don't plan to drink a lot unless you cash in your 401(k) before.

Definitely do the Iceland stop-over.
 
I loved Narvik Norway. Above the artic circle, interesting WWII history and the cleanest drinking water in the world.
 
My wife and I visited Denmark & Sweden last September/October. We had a wonderful time! I do recommend going in the summer though. There were some things we wished to do which were simply closed for the season. We were able to to most of what we wished though the kindness of people. We went mountain biking in Gothenburg and having mentioned that we wished to go sea kayaking, he called a friend in Marstrand who came in and opened his shop to rent us a kayak and made sure we had all the gear we needed. Wonderful experience!

If you are not comfortable walking, the cities are tough. They have good mass transit (the trains are great!) but you will walk to and from. I wouldn't choose to drive in the cities (we had a car but we simply parked it at the hotel when we arrived in each city).

We visited Copenhagen for a few days. It was simply stunningly beautiful where we went. I remarked to my wife "This is where fairy tales come from." It shows.

We visited Gothenburg, Molle (Kullen Fyr is worth the drive!), Marstrand, Kalmar (the castle is very spectacular and interesting), and Stockholm.

We only had 2 encounters with people that did not speak english well enough to converse.

John
 
Tampere Finland is one of my most favorite places. Take in a sauna, preferably by a lake in a birch forest.

Nauga,
who says, 'kiitos!'
 
Wife and I did a month in Scandinavia around mid-summer and then 10 days in Iceland in August. Well worth it but expensive as others have said. No volcanoes active right now. See the glaciers before they melt much more. Geysir (the original geyser) is dormant but others are nearby. Cruise to Pulpit rocks was worth it. Wet year so there were waterfalls everywhere.
 
Went a few years ago on a business trip. Flew out in early spring. Checked Oslo temperatures before I left, and they were running in the 40's (F). OK, not too bad. Came out of the clouds coming in to land and everything below me was white! Plenty of snow on the ground - about 10 inches, but the folks there told me it hadn't in more than two weeks!

The city was driving front end loaders to dump trucks to haul snow out of the city parking lots and taking them down to the docks to dump the snow in the ocean to clear the parking lots.

It was pretty cold for 40F!

Other than that, about what everyone else said. Nice people, most everyone speaks English. The food is good, and the drinks are expensive!
 
Norway and Sweden are gorgeous and well worth the time to tour. I'm sure Denmark is no different....will do that one of these days.
 
Been to Norway a bunch. Neat place. Rental cars were nutty priced, that was 20 years ago so I don't know if that has changed.
 
Been to Finland, Denmark, Sweden, and Norway - primarily the coastal cities. Really enjoyed the trip, particularly the city of Stockholm. As others have said, it is expensive. I remember being the stick in the mud in my group of 4 (two couples) who wouldn't buy/drink $10 beers, which were the norm in the cities. The exchange rate has improved since then, so maybe the beers are down to $8...
 
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... Does anyone have enough experience in those countries to provide advice or suggestions ...
Just got back Sept. 14. Did a couple of weeks in Norway and 4 days in Iceland, flew Icelandair.

We flew into Oslo, spent a couple of days, then took the train to Bergen for another couple of days. From Bergen we took a Hurtigruten ship up to the Lofoten Islands, stayed there for a couple of days, then Hurtigruten back down to Trondheim, yet another couple of days, then rented a car and drove to Bergen. Flew Bergen to Rekjavik, spent four days in the southwest and south, then home.

Thoughts:


  • Take plenty of money. Dinner for two with a bottle of house wine was $150 on the ship, $125 in town. Lunches for two $40. A three liter box of wine that would be $15 in the US, $50. You get the idea.
  • Hurtigruten ships are unique but IMO not a good value. If you want to follow the coastline and see the country that way, they are about the only choice unless you buy a homogenized and pasteurized cruise ship trip.
  • We had rain and overcast for all but two or three days of the trip. That's kind of the standard for a mountainous coastline that's getting wet air from the West. Like Alaska and Seattle, I think they shoot all the tourist brochure pictures on the few days a year that it's clear.
  • Scenery & fjords are beautiful, so if that is your thing and you like to hike, that would be the main reason for the trip.
  • These countries do not have much of a history, not like most of Europe and certainly not like the middle east. Building was mostly wood, too, so not a lot of architectural interest where old buildings survived. Cathedral in Trondheim and surviving stave churches are the exception.
  • We stayed mostly AirBNB, which we like because we usually meet and get to know our hosts. That was not always the case, but it did also save us money over hotels. With a bigger group than just a couple, I'd encourage you to check out the AirBNB and bookings.com properties.
  • Driving is easy and the roads tend more to use tunnels rather than a lot of climbing and descending switchbacks but it is still mountain driving in many places. Lots of guard rails and the roads are good and fairly wide, but if you are afraid of mountain driving you may not like it.

This was a trip that my wife wanted to take and I decided to cave this year as the dollar is exceptionally strong against European currencies. I'm glad we took the trip as she is now happy, but truthfully I have been many other places in the world where I got much more interesting and unusual experiences for a lot less money. If you're just interested in a spectacular family trip I would suggest instead the Galapagos or a photo safari in Africa. Either will be of much more interest to kids. If you're interested in either, PM me and maybe we can set a time to discuss on the phone. I can give you pointers on planning either one.
 
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+1 for the Iceland layover.

For weather, best time to visit is either in the middle of winter, or in the middle of summer. Don't believe this crap about how amazing the nature is during fall and spring, it's not. You'll be miserable in endless rain then. Go either Nov-Feb or late June-late August.

Denmark is very different from other Nordic countries. It's very flat and there isn't much to do apart from visiting Copenhagen, which is a cool city, and if you have kids, the original Legoland in Billund.

Norway is beautiful, especially when driving the coast up north. I'd recommend renting a car, and driving. You see the most that way. I would avoid the cruises etc that they do to the fjords, they are generally not good value (and everything in Norway is bats*it crazy expensive).

The few Swedes here will perhaps argue otherwise, but I'd say the only thing worth seeing in Sweden is Stockholm, which is a very cool city. Perhaps my favorite city in all of the Nordics.

Visiting the region without visiting Lapland is almost a crime. The best infrastructure is in Finnish Lapland (that is, easiest to get in/out, good amount of hotels and so on) In the summertime you'll get the midnight sun (it's quite weird when it's 2AM and the sun is up), if you're into hiking/nature/other outdoorsy stuff, there's tons of that there. The earlier in the summer you go there, the less mosquitoes they have. They are annoying, but don't spread any diseases.

Oh, and the only place to experience _real_ sauna is in Finland. The Swedes/Norwegians have no clue how to do it properly.
Even though as a concept it sounds weird and painful, it is very relaxing. I'm ashamed to admit my wife (American) outsaunas me (a Finn) nowadays.

Are you flying around or driving? Driving would perhaps be a bit boring for the kids, but you see much more that way. Driving, you could fly in/out of Copenhagen, drive across to Sweden, drive up to Oslo then all the way to Nordkapp following the coast (very pretty road all the way from Trondheim), then drive down to Finland, could stop for some trout/salmon fishing in the Teno river, drive through the Finnish "lake district" (Finland has almost 190'000 lakes) down to Helsinki. While in Helsinki, you can do a day-trip to Tallinn, Estonia. It's very different from any Nordic cities you will visit. I wouldn't stay overnight there, just take the first ferry in the morning (it's a 1,5hr boat trip from Helsinki) and the last one back. You can see the Tallinn Old Town in a day easily. Their City Hall is from the 13th century, alot of old interesting architecture in Tallinn, something you won't get that easily in the Nordics.
Then take a cruise ferry across to Stockholm, then drive down to Copenhagen (6 hour boring drive) and return car back there. This way you would see pretty much everything the Nordics have to offer. Easily doable in 2-3 weeks.

Traveling between countries is easy, there are no customs/border controls, you just pass a sign that says you are now in a new country.

Flying would limit your options on spur-of-the-moment sidetrips, Flying internally within Scandinavia can be pretty expensive (or cheap, if Norwegian Air flies between the cities you want).
 
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Do you like hiking ? Do you like mountains ?

Become a member of the norwegian mountain club.

http://english.turistforeningen.no/

Pack light. Fly into Oslo. Go to the DNT office and pick up your cabin key.

Get yourself the annual discount card of the norwegian railroad, buy tickets and take the train/bus to your trailheads. On some trains you have to tell the conductor the stop you want to get off as the train will not stop for you otherwise. Hike from mountain lodge to mountain lodge. The lodges are equipped with anything you need. Some are full-service with cooked food, some even have beer/wine. Others are 'self service' with food provided in a pantry which you pay for with a credit card and cook on the lodges stove. You dont need a sleeping bag, just an 'envelope' that you use with the bedding provided by the lodge. While climbing uphil, be prepared to be passed by 80 year old norwegians who will get to the lodge 2 hrs before you :)
 
Thanks to everyone for the great feedback.

We generally prefer more self-directed, outdoor-type activities rather than the tourist junkets, so it sounds as though we will do well in that regard. We've traveled all over Alaska on our own and loved it, but that's been almost 15 years ago now.

It appears that the main cities of Oslo/Stockholm/Helsinki/Copenhagen are worth at least a brief stop. The Estonia suggestion is interesting.

As for timing, I gather that mid-winter (which I'm guessing would be both dark and cold) or late summer would be best.

I've never used AirBnB or bookings.com, so I'll have to check them out.

What is the culinary preferences or selection like, especially outside the big cities, where I assume an international variety would be more common?


Thanks,
JKG
 
We flew Norwegian Air direct to Stockholm and then flew back out of Oslo, also direct. They were good cheap seats in a new 787. I think we payed $1300 for both of us out flying out of Oakland. Definitely recommend.
 
It appears that the main cities of Oslo/Stockholm/Helsinki/Copenhagen are worth at least a brief stop. The Estonia suggestion is interesting.

Agree - each of the big cities are worth a stop, but there are other smaller cities definitely worth the trip. Someone else mentioned Narvik in Norway (many of the Norwegian coastal cities actually are spectacular), I would recommend Gothenburg as well, and other small cities along the Swedish west coast.


As for timing, I gather that mid-winter (which I'm guessing would be both dark and cold) or late summer would be best.

Do not go mid-winter. It will be ridiculously cold and you'll have at best 4 hours of daylight in which to do your sightseeing.

What is the culinary preferences or selection like, especially outside the big cities, where I assume an international variety would be more common?

You will always find Italian and Chinese food even in the smaller places. Also typical Swedish fast food (burgers & hot dogs, and kebobs). The casual/pub style dining is not at all different from the American fare, except that it is really hard to find main course salads and other "healthy" choices. And everything is expensive, even in light of the exchange rate.
 
We flew Norwegian Air direct to Stockholm and then flew back out of Oslo, also direct. They were good cheap seats in a new 787. I think we payed $1300 for both of us out flying out of Oakland. Definitely recommend.

Condor is another inexpensive alternative when flying from the US. You'll have to change planes in Frankfurt, though.
 
It appears that the main cities of Oslo/Stockholm/Helsinki/Copenhagen are worth at least a brief stop.

All are great.

Bring money.

Did I mention to bring money ?
 
... I've never used AirBnB or bookings.com, so I'll have to check them out. ...
We have used AirBNB (especially) many places around the world and, while we have been a little disappointed once in a great while, have never had an unpleasant experience and we have met some great people. Read the reviews of each property carefully and avoid properties with no reviews. Email the proprietors with questions as necessary. (They are scored by AirBNB on responsiveness.) Stand-alone property? Private bathroom? Kitchen? etc. Be sure to get good directions to the property. Sometimes you can pay the proprietor to be a local guide, too. We did that very successfully in Casablanca.

When we are looking for a place, we sort the listings most expensive first. There are a lot of $40 spare bedroom rentals we are not interested in. In the expensive category we skip over the chateaux and villas, then we usually find attractive places, moderately priced. My wife has done most/all of the bookings.com (our second choice provider) so I can't suggest tactics.

What is the culinary preferences or selection like, especially outside the big cities ...
There are far fewer restaurants in Norway and Iceland than we are used to seeing in the US. Some days we drove through several small towns before we found one. My guess is that they do not eat out much because of the expense. Often the town restaurants are in the small hotels. Cuisine selection is limited. In larger towns, Thai or Chinese are less expensive restaurant choices. VAT on restaurant food is 25%. On takeaway and grocery store food it is 15%, so those can be attractive. Think hot dogs and prepared sandwiches at the 7-11. Every small town has a grocery store; often you can pick up sandwich fixings and chips there for an inexpensive ad hoc picnic. We carried a large cooler-type tote bag and used it for soda, orange juice, and the like. We don't ever cook in our accommodations but that may be a money-saving option for you too.

Oh, and as mentioned by another poster, everyone in Norway and Iceland speaks English. No language barrier at all.
 
As for getting around, really consider the railroads. This is not Amtrak. The trains run on time, are clean and the staff is professional and friendly. As mentioned, anyone who deals with tourists will be able to communicate in english.

This is a really spectacular mountain railroad:

https://www.visitflam.com/en/flamsbana/

There is a path that parallels the track that was used during construction (rallarvegen). You rent a mountain bike and a helmet and bike downhill through the valley. At the bottom, you turn in your bike and take the train back up.

https://www.visitflam.com/en/se-og-gjore/pakker/sykle-flamsdalen/

Another really neat natural feature is the Saltstraumen. It is the narrow outlet of the Skjerstadfjord. Twice a day, while the tides are changing, a large volume of water gets pushed through the narrow opening creating quite an impressive flow (particularly at peak tides). Around high tide and low tide, commercial vessels cross the narrows taking advantage of the calm water.

http://www.visitnorway.com/us/where...to-do/attractions/the-saltstraumen-maelstrom/

It is all the way up past Trondheim at the end of the Bodoe railroad.

Someone mentioned Narvik. A great place if you like Iron Ore :D The mines are on the swedish side of the mountains in Gaellivare and Kiruna. The trains come down a steep grade to terminate at the ore dock.
If you get over to Gaellivare, there used to be a tour of the underground ore mine (Malmberget mine). They drive you in there in a bus. Pretty neat if you still have a little boys admiration for excavators.

Gaellivare is also origin/termination of the 'Inlandsbanan' This is a tourist railroad served by 'railbus' type trains. If you like it somewhere, you holler the operator and he drops you off. Small businesses along the line cater to the rail passengers.

If you like hiking, the Kungsleden in northern sweden goes through some spectacular landscape. Bring bugspray, lots of bugspray.
 
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As for getting around, really consider the railroads. This is not Amtrak. The trains run on time, are clean and the staff is professional and friendly. As mentioned, anyone who deals with tourists will be able to communicate in english.

This is a really spectacular mountain railroad:

https://www.visitflam.com/en/flamsbana/.

Yes. Just be aware that a close facsimile of Stevie Nicks pops out of one of the waterfalls on that trip.

Seriously. The train stops at a large waterfall, you get out to look, and a watery tart (Monty Python Reference) pops out from behind a rock and dances to canned music.

Very odd.
 
Very interesting thread...

The bride and I are considering a euro delivery of a Volvo and Scandinavia tour for our 20th in 2022. I hope this thread continues for a while.

We thought the savings for the car would be the major expense... Sounds like we need a separate and generous account for food & drink, too!
 
We thought the savings for the car would be the major expense... Sounds like we need a separate and generous account for food & drink, too!

Prepared food and alcoholic beverages are heavy on the budget. If you stay at AirBnB type places or youth hostels with cooking facilities, you just go to a market and pick up ingredients.

Many years ago, I was 17 hiking solo in the norwegian mountains. One night I splurged on staying at a nicer private lodge. A group of scottish hikers invited me to join in and share in their n-th bottle of wine. One of them explained the secret to a good norway vacation: You take a credit card, hand the innkeeper the card and when he brings a slip to sign, you put your hand on the top and just leave enough room to sign on the line. 4 weeks after you return, you deal with the fallout (nowadays that wont work, many european restaurants use mobile POS terminals to run CC transactions).
 
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I'd do the Iceland stop. I ended up there with 6 hours in Reykjavik because Delta cancelled my original flight SEA-AMS. I'm planning to go back. Well worth even a short visit. Bring lots of cash - when you get back, you'll think GA flying is cheap.
 
I'd do the Iceland stop. I ended up there with 6 hours in Reykjavik because Delta cancelled my original flight SEA-AMS. I'm planning to go back. Well worth even a short visit. Bring lots of cash - when you get back, you'll think GA flying is cheap.

At least 3-4 days. There are scheduled buses that go to the attractions like waterfalls and geyisirs. You can rent cars, but it will make you cry. From europe, it was cheaper to ship your car there and back for anything beyond a 2 week trip. If money is no object, rent a 4WD vehicle and drive some of the 'F' inland roads to see the glaciers ad volcanos.
 
Many years ago, I was 17 hiking solo in the norwegian mountains. One night I splurged on staying at a nicer private lodge. A group of scottish hikers invited me to join in and share in their n-th bottle of wine. One of them explained the secret to a good norway vacation: You take a credit card, hand the innkeeper the card and when he brings a slip to sign, you put your hand on the top and just leave enough room to sign on the line. 4 weeks after you return, you deal with the fallout (nowadays that wont work, many european restaurants use mobile POS terminals to run CC transactions).

Man, maybe I should just visit Norway at Disney World instead. Although, my last trip there also seemed to require lots of money.


JKG
 
Man, maybe I should just visit Norway at Disney World instead. Although, my last trip there also seemed to require lots of money.

The real thing is cheaper. And much better.


If you keep an eye on things, you dont have to go broke. Depends on your kids and spouse, but staying at youth-hostels an mountain lodges allows you to travel on a budget. I was in high-school when I traveled to norway. Work 4 weeks to pay for the trip, fly to norway and hike for 10 days.

At a minimum I would do a couple of days in Oslo, a train trip to Bergen. Flamsbana, sitting in Bergen harbor with a paperbag of steamed prawns.

I dont remember the name of the mountain, but I did a spectacular hike with my girlfriend about 25 years ago. We ascended in the fog for a day, had a great evening at the DNT lodge which is perched on the mountaintop. The next day the fog was gone and we woke up to a 100mile view. During the day, we descended on snow-shoes via a glacier with the lodge caretaker as the guide. The lodge provided the snow-shoes and harnesses and the party was tied together with a rope in case someone stepped into a crevasse. The guide in the front, an experienced hiker familiar with the use of ice-axes in the back.
 
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I just did this trip a few months ago and I say go for it. We spent a coupld of days in Copenhagen Denmark, Talon Estonia, Helsinki Finland, Stockholm Sweden, and then a week in Iceland.

Talon was better than Helsinki but I really didn't have much time to explore the city like I wanted to but my son and I had fun playing in a city park.

Stockholm was great! Visit the Vasa Museum if you get the chance. (I have family in a town just outside of the city)

Copenhagen has a living Viking museum that is a must see. I didn't go there this time but did when I was stationed in Germany many years ago.

Iceland was incredible! We explored on our own and I traced my family history from town to town. It dates back to the 900s and famous family. We spent some time with my cousins and have wanted to go back from the minute we left.

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My oldest at the site where my ancestor Skalla-Grim made his home.

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Oh, and before you go, get a credit card with a chip and pin! Places that still accept a swiped card are getting rare in some places, none of the new POS terminals have a stripe reader anymore.
 
Prepared food and alcoholic beverages are heavy on the budget. If you stay at AirBnB type places or youth hostels with cooking facilities, you just go to a market and pick up ingredients.

Many years ago, I was 17 hiking solo in the norwegian mountains. One night I splurged on staying at a nicer private lodge. A group of scottish hikers invited me to join in and share in their n-th bottle of wine. One of them explained the secret to a good norway vacation: You take a credit card, hand the innkeeper the card and when he brings a slip to sign, you put your hand on the top and just leave enough room to sign on the line. 4 weeks after you return, you deal with the fallout (nowadays that wont work, many european restaurants use mobile POS terminals to run CC transactions).

On our previous Euro vacations we really enjoyed buying food at the market for our mid-day meal or snack. All things being equal between two lodging choices and we'll pick the one with an included breakfast. This applied to standard hotels or AirBnB / VRBO choices.

There is also the option of buying adult beverages at the market. Nice when the mid-day is walking. Based on what I've learned here, maybe before going out for the evening and the nightcap should be in the plan.

We tend to be on the move a lot at this stage in our travels. A longer stay at a place with cooking facilities nor hostels with shared bathrooms are our first choices when planning these days. I could, however, see us

Anyhow - we're still going to plan for the trip in 2022 (or maybe push to 2027). I just appreciate the heads up from PoA to be sure to budget properly.
 
Didn't read all comments, but I'm born and bred in Stockholm. A beautiful city. They don't call it the Venice of the north for nothing, as it's got a lot of water and canals. Of course I'm biased, but of all the Nordic capitals, Stockholm is the prettiest. I think Copenhageners and Oslonians would agree.

But here's my recommendation: In Sweden (and all nordic countries) you'll have 5 weeks paid vacation in the summer. Sun starved after dark winters, this means that people leave town for their summer houses, or for warmer climates. They live for this. And they all leave at the same time, starting from midsummer (June), certainly July and until schools start in Aug. Their gone, like an exodus. This means many smaller shops and cafes run by their owners are shut whilst their away ("semeserstängt"). So Stockholm gets a little quiet in the summers. This funnily coincides with when all the tourist come to visit and wanting to experience the bustlings of a city. Without knowing it, they don't get the full "real" Stockholm experience during July.

So my suggestion is to come there second half or end of August when the schools start again and the Swedes are back at work. Weather is normally still beautiful in Aug/Sept, everyone's relaxed from their vacations and it's the perfect time to visit.
 
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Agree on the chip-and-PIN. I strongly suggest carrying two cards. Even after notifying Schwab Bank of the trip plans, a few days into the trip my Debit Visa started coming up "declined" due to their over-eager fraud prevention software. I just switched to my USBank Visa until I could get Schwab straightened out.

FWIW, here are a few of the places we stayed:
Rekjavik: https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/450808?s=rmIo
Gieranger: https://www.booking.com/hotel/no/lu...830c59fbf8e99b1ded01bc51e08X1;highlight_room=
Stamsund: https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/4650133?s=iJAd2ErP

Hopefully the links work. You probably won't have these towns on your itinerary, but they are examples of places we stayed that had enough space for your family and had kitchens.

One more thing: I commented before but haven't seen anyone else's comments yea or nay, but I don't think this trip is one that will be of great interest to children younger than maybe college-age. Not a lot of activities, etc. Drive/Scenery/Drive/Old Church/Drive/Waterfalls/Drive/ etc. Others: What say you?
 
At least 3-4 days. There are scheduled buses that go to the attractions like waterfalls and geyisirs. You can rent cars, but it will make you cry. From Europe, it was cheaper to ship your car there and back for anything beyond a 2 week trip. If money is no object, rent a 4WD vehicle and drive some of the 'F' inland roads to see the glaciers ad volcanoes.

We were there 10 nights. I thought it might be too much but we still didn't do/see everything. Icelanders have really embraced the tourist industry.
 
We were there 10 nights. I thought it might be too much but we still didn't do/see everything. Icelanders have really embraced the tourist industry.

Oh, I could easily spend two weeks in iceland. I just wanted to suggest that for a stop-over to other nordic countries, he should at least put 3-4 days on the schedule rather than 1 or 2.

It can be wet though. My last trip was cut short by pneumonia :( .
 
Very interesting thread...

The bride and I are considering a euro delivery of a Volvo and Scandinavia tour for our 20th in 2022. I hope this thread continues for a while.

We thought the savings for the car would be the major expense... Sounds like we need a separate and generous account for food & drink, too!

We did the Euro delivery of a Volvo last September. It was a blast!

If you have questions about the experience, ask away!

John
 
Agree on the chip-and-PIN. I strongly suggest carrying two cards.

While most U.S. banks are now issuing chip cards, they aren't chip-and-pin, and it appears that very few U.S. merchants accept the chip transactions despite the recent liability shift. This is really annoying to me, as I just had a chipped card skimmed on a recent trip because none of the merchants (except for Target) could process chip transactions, so it was swiped everywhere.

However, it is my understanding that chip-and-signature cards may be enough in Europe, with the exception of some self-service kiosks which require the chip-and-pin cards. Is this true?


Thanks,
JKG
 
When my CC companies gave me new cards, they also issued PINs. Whether a transaction is chip + signature or chip + PIN depends on the vendor and their processor.
 
When my CC companies gave me new cards, they also issued PINs. Whether a transaction is chip + signature or chip + PIN depends on the vendor and their processor.

The problem I've noticed is that most U.S. banks aren't issuing chip-and-PIN, they're issuing chip-and-signature. Not even an option for chip-and-PIN. There are some exceptions with smaller banks, such as First Niagara, but so far the big ones (Citi, Chase, Amex, etc.) all seem to be sticking with chip-and-signature for now. I hope this changes over time.

Of course, most U.S. merchants appear to have chip card readers, but few in my experience accept the chip cards. Perhaps this will change over time if the liability shift is enforced.


JKG
 
The problem I've noticed is that most U.S. banks aren't issuing chip-and-PIN, they're issuing chip-and-signature. ...
I dunno. I have a debit/Visa with Schwab bank that is chipped and it has a PIN. In Norway and Iceland, I was always given a small terminal into which the chip end of the card was inserted (not swiped). IIRC it asked for the PIN and to verify the charge amount before it told me to remove the card but it may have been the other way around. I was also usually asked for a signature on a paper form that the terminal printed.

My backup is a USBank Visa, also chipped but I don't think it has a PIN. Other than not asking for a PIN, the terminals seemed to handle it in the same way.

In the US I have not yet run into a merchant that does anything but swipe the cards/just like the non-chip cards. I was at CVS a week or so ago and they hade the chip-type terminal but when I went to insert my card the clerk said that part wasn't working and told me to just swipe.

The Europeans are quite puzzled that the USA is so far behind in card technology.
 
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