Tesla Pickup Unveil

[Ted]

Do you think it is impossible to design a 5th wheel that will fit? That's not a challenge question; I have no idea. I used a 5th wheel back in the '70's when I drove a Kenworth with a 5th wheel pulling flatbeds and lowboys loaded with heavy equipment. I laughed myself silly when I saw one of those toy 5th wheels on a pickup truck. But that's all I know about small 5th wheels.

You could design around it but it would make the trailer less functional and few who didn’t own the Tesla truck would buy it since they’d want something more practical.

That said I think for the standard travel trailer market it would do fine.

 

[tspear]

You could design around it but it would make the trailer less functional and few who didn’t own the Tesla truck would buy it since they’d want something more practical.

That said I think for the standard travel trailer market it would do fine.

Which is the vast majority of the market.

Tim

 

[FastEddieB]

Right now you have 2.5-3 turns lock to lock on the average car or truck and putting this in line with a yoke would be half a turn. It would be very twitchy and I don’t see the average person being able to develop the skill set to turn the wheel that precisely.

I think you’re assuming a straight steering ratio across the range. One could imagine a variable ratio gearing that would allow “slow” steering with precise control for normal diving, increasing as the wheel angle increased for maneuvering and parking. I have no idea if that’s in the plans, but it seems doable.

 

[Ted]

I think you’re assuming a straight steering ratio across the range. One could imagine a variable ratio gearing that would allow “slow” steering with precise control for normal diving, increasing as the wheel angle increased for maneuvering and parking. I have no idea if that’s in the plans, but it seems doable.

You’re right that I am assuming that, and if you had a variable geometry steering setup then it may work better. Although that starts to look like “steer by wire” which for me is a big bag of “no.”

 

[FastEddieB]

You’re right that I am assuming that, and if you had a variable geometry steering setup then it may work better. Although that starts to look like “steer by wire” which for me is a big bag of “no.”

I was under the impression that some (most?) cars with power steering currently have a variable ratio. I’ll have to investigate that.

First hit on Google:

So, fly-by-wire not a prerequisite.

 

[Ted]

I was under the impression that some (most?) cars with power steering currently have a variable ratio. I’ll have to investigate that.

First hit on Google:

So, fly-by-wire not a prerequisite.

I’m not a steering expert so you may be right. I also wonder how variable that is vs how variable it would need to be to make that work.

 

[Velocity173]

The F117 was built for stealth not aerodynamics, though. I’ve never flown one but I’d thought it wasn’t necessarily very aerodynamic.

Yeah I think that’s why they call it “The Whobbly Gobblin.” I don’t think it can fly well with a flight control computer failure.

 

[Bill]

I was under the impression that some (most?) cars with power steering currently have a variable ratio. I’ll have to investigate that.

First hit on Google:

So, fly-by-wire not a prerequisite.

current Ford super duty has variable ratio steering, but I believe the fearing change is in Th e steering wheel/hub. Makes for easy parking lot maneuvers with more steering precision at his at speeds.

 

[Ted]

Yeah I think that’s why they call it “The Whobbly Gobblin.” I don’t think it can fly well with a flight control computer failure.

That’s the problem. And while I trust the makers of fly by wire computers for fighter jets with strict and expensive maintenance schedules, I trust that far less for any automotive manufacturer with the lack of maintenance that people do on their cars.

 

[EppyGA]

Seen on FB, "Elon Musk has invented steel balls that shatter bullet proof glass"

 

[nauga]

Yeah I think that’s why they call it “The Whobbly Gobblin.” I don’t think it can fly well with a flight control computer failure.

I'd hazard a guess that it flies just fine with a *single* flight control computer failure. What the fault tolerance of an old airplane has to do with the shape of a new truck is beyond me, however.

Nauga,
multifaceted

 

[Chip Sylverne]

They should have named it the "Origami".
This is what you get when you ask for a truck from a clean sheet of paper.

 

[deonb]

Here's an interesting article about why the CyberTrucks looks so weird - specifically the sail pillar. It pretty much dispels the illusion that it will significantly change before launch:

https://techcrunch.com/2019/11/22/heres-why-the-tesla-cybertruck-has-its-crazy-look/

 

[GRG55]

...Currently trucks compete on specs, with looks a distant second. Now it will have to become their number 1 sales focus.

I can just imagine this Ford Salesman who have been selling trucks since the 70's, now having to talk up the "slick lines", "curved surfaces", "vibrant colors" and "traditional designs" of their F150 as they're trying to deflect questions about specs and price.

Seriously? The Ford salesman can deliver your F150 right now, if you buy it off the lot, or at a firm date in the near future if you prefer to order one. The best Tesla can do is take your deposit money and hold it for some indefinite time, measured in years, while they use it to keep the company afloat.

 

[GRG55]

I just preordered one after watching the launch video. I've never in my life ordered a new car, but though I don't like the overstated styling, it just checks every box...

Perfect. We can trade rides in each other's vehicles, and afterwards argue over a beer which one is uglier, my Aztec or your Tesla.

Unfortunately we are closing our Seattle office and moving it to Houston in the New Year, so my already too infrequent visits will decline further.

Do you think it is impossible to design a 5th wheel that will fit? That's not a challenge question; I have no idea. I used a 5th wheel back in the '70's when I drove a Kenworth with a 5th wheel pulling flatbeds and lowboys loaded with heavy equipment. I laughed myself silly when I saw one of those toy 5th wheels on a pickup truck. But that's all I know about small 5th wheels.

Not impossible to do, but runs the risk the trailer becomes one that can only be towed by a Tesla. If they made it only in stainless that might actually have a niche market, who knows.

Not sure what you mean by "toy" 5th wheels? My wife's all-aluminum horse trailer has a fifth-wheel hitch. It weighs 5700 lbs empty and 15,500 lbs fully loaded. Admittedly not the size of trailer one would need to haul with a Kenworth tractor.

But, imo for that size and weight, safer and more maneuverable with a 5th wheel hitch than a frame hitch. We have hitch rails in the bed of her gasoline 5.3 liter GMC 1/2-ton and she can easily move the empty trailer to position it, or make short trips with a mare & foal, to the vet for example. But if she loads it with three of her adult horses and riding gear, and needs to go any distance in the mountains around here she has to use my turbo-diesel F350 with its 25,000 lb tow capacity.

 

[FastEddieB]

Some interesting first impressions here:

I don’t think it registered on me at first, but this truck comes with 35” wheels. It may date me a bit, but it doesn’t seem that long ago that 15” or 16” wheels were considered large!

Not mentioned, but I can see this appealing to someone with zero need for a truck, and viewing it as a high performance hatchback/SUV with huge storage capability.

 

[wsuffa]

Unlikely. The Rivian will be out long before the cybertruck. Elon famously blows past deadlines, 2023 isn't happening. By the time it IS out, there's a good chance the EV F150 might have newer technology and be more mass-produceable.

FWIW The market was 6.36% down on Tesla after this reveal, it appears the market isn't a big fan. All Tesla had to do was show a truck that doesn't suck and their stock would have soared.

Wall Street isn't a fan for financial reason. They don't believe that Tesla will make the delivery schedule, price point, and sales forecast without incurring very high costs. Ugly doesn't play into it (other than folks won't want to buy it because: ugly.... sorta like Edsel).

This is designed for folks that want to flaunt their "holier than thou" attitude while driving streets. It is unlikely to be a real working or off-road truck.

 

[SoonerAviator]

Some interesting first impressions here:

I don’t think it registered on me at first, but this truck comes with 35” wheels. It may date me a bit, but it doesn’t seem that long ago that 15” or 16” wheels were considered large!

Not mentioned, but I can see this appealing to someone with zero need for a truck, and viewing it as a high performance hatchback/SUV with huge storage capability.

I think you’re confusing tire diameter with wheel/rim diameter. Most 4x4 1/2 ton trucks can run 35” wheels without much, if any modifications from the factory. 35” tires (not wheels) are pretty common these days. The wheel size for most cars and trucks is still in the 17-20” range, but at 20” you still lose a lot of sidewall on a 35” tire, to the point where it severely affects ride quality.

 

[Shuswap BC]

As mentioned above, the tires overall when inflated are 35 inches tall, not the rims. My Ram rides on 33.5 inch tall tires from the factory.

 

[FastEddieB]

Oops. I stand corrected. I thought when diameter was being discussed it most often meant wheel diameter. I did not know tire diameter was sometimes referenced.

 

[Velocity173]

For some reason it reminds me of something Dieter would design.

 

[Jim_R]

While he is pie int he sky lots of the time, Musk is doing for electric cars what Starbucks did for coffee and making coffee shops mainstream where few existed.

I have no idea what this comparison is supposed to mean. I used to have five different coffee shops within a five minute drive of my house. I now have at least six Starbucks in that radius and all the others have closed. Three other independent shops have come since and two have already gone. I'll be curious to see how long the current one lasts.

Not sure how that has anything to do with Musk or Tesla.

 

[geezer]

That video of the Tesla bombing along on the Autobahn at "speeds to 262 KMh" was amusing. Supposedly an extreme stress test of motor and battery. In the early 80's, I rented a Ford Escort with the smaller European engine, and carburetor, not fuel injection. I stopwatch verified 180 KMH for 5 KM, and drove at more than 200. Bragging that a car that expensive will go 30% faster is a joke. There was no real prolonged stress on motors or batteries, as most of the drive was at well below 180. While I was cruising comfortably at 180, the real cruisers, BMW, Mercedes, and Volvo flew by me regularly. The stretch I was on was 3 lanes, so traffic did not hinder maintaining speed.

Not a real issue where I live. as there is no place near me that I can drive much more than 70 MPH anyway.

If you gave me one of those trucks, though, I would keep it. Those sharp corners and angles would keep the kids on my street from running into it......I hope. All those stored KWH would be just the trick to last through a power outage in the house, while I drove my ICE to where the power was still on to keep 'tanked up' for travel and shopping.

 

[deonb]

That video of the Tesla bombing along on the Autobahn at "speeds to 262 KMh" was amusing. Supposedly an extreme stress test of motor and battery. In the early 80's, I rented a Ford Escort with the smaller European engine, and carburetor, not fuel injection. I stopwatch verified 180 KMH for 5 KM, and drove at more than 200. Bragging that a car that expensive will go 30% faster is a joke. There was no real prolonged stress on motors or batteries, as most of the drive was at well below 180. While I was cruising comfortably at 180, the real cruisers, BMW, Mercedes, and Volvo flew by me regularly. The stretch I was on was 3 lanes, so traffic did not hinder maintaining speed.

Not a real issue where I live. as there is no place near me that I can drive much more than 70 MPH anyway.

If you gave me one of those trucks, though, I would keep it. Those sharp corners and angles would keep the kids on my street from running into it......I hope. All those stored KWH would be just the trick to last through a power outage in the house, while I drove my ICE to where the power was still on to keep 'tanked up' for travel and shopping.

30% faster doesn't mean 30% more powerful.

You need 184 HP sustained to drive at 262 kmh. You need 87 HP sustained to drive at 200 kmh. (On the cd & frontal area of a Model 3 anyway). So it actually requires 211% as much power.

 

[geezer]

deonb said:

30% faster doesn't mean 30% more powerful.

You need 184 HP sustained to drive at 262 kmh. You need 87 HP sustained to drive at 200 kmh. (On the cd & frontal area of a Model 3 anyway). So it actually requires 211% as much power.

Exactly my point. Averaging less than 180 K, they only needed about 87 HP, so a few sprints to 262 did not stress the components on an endurance basis.
I watched the video expecting them to truly drive to their max. They did not even bother to go to a 3 lane autobahn, where traffic would be looser, and average speeds possible, much higher. 162 MPH is a speed attainable by a large number of production cars these day. My old 1989 Taurus SHO could do 144 average for a hundred miles at the Copper State Dash. My criticism is more of the video falling far short of its intro, not the Tesla falling short. The Tesla was not stretched out for any extended period of the video.

That Escort would have continued at 200+ KMH as long as the gas lasted. 180 on the speedometer was stop watch verified, the 200+ was not.

 

[1RTK1]

That video of the Tesla bombing along on the Autobahn at "speeds to 262 KMh" was amusing. Supposedly an extreme stress test of motor and battery. In the early 80's, I rented a Ford Escort with the smaller European engine, and carburetor, not fuel injection. I stopwatch verified 180 KMH for 5 KM, and drove at more than 200. Bragging that a car that expensive will go 30% faster is a joke. There was no real prolonged stress on motors or batteries, as most of the drive was at well below 180. While I was cruising comfortably at 180, the real cruisers, BMW, Mercedes, and Volvo flew by me regularly. The stretch I was on was 3 lanes, so traffic did not hinder maintaining speed.

Not a real issue where I live. as there is no place near me that I can drive much more than 70 MPH anyway.

If you gave me one of those trucks, though, I would keep it. Those sharp corners and angles would keep the kids on my street from running into it......I hope. All those stored KWH would be just the trick to last through a power outage in the house, while I drove my ICE to where the power was still on to keep 'tanked up' for travel and shopping.

I was on the autobahn when the wall came down, rented a vw jetta if I remember correctly, it wouldn’t do much over 200 km but I kept the peddle to the floor for over 15 minutes in one stretch and was Still being passed by the big sedans. The fastest I have driven over there was in a friends bmw at about 250km

 

[MIFlyer]

Wall Street isn't a fan for financial reason. They don't believe that Tesla will make the delivery schedule, price point, and sales forecast without incurring very high costs. Ugly doesn't play into it (other than folks won't want to buy it because: ugly.... sorta like Edsel).

This is designed for folks that want to flaunt their "holier than thou" attitude while driving streets. It is unlikely to be a real working or off-road truck.

-1 strongly disagree

set aside any religious argument in favor of soot.

look at the price and specs and let me know what truck is better for 95% of truck owners than this.

Best in class
TCO = win once you count in fuel and MX
range 500 not towing, 250 towing
14k tow capcity
same price as a loaded F150 or a well appointed super duty, but without all the fuel and MX expenses
one of the best clearance/approach angle/departure angle

Features no one has
- real power for jobsite (not some bs 300w inverter, but a real 120/240v inverter) plus air.

best tailgate with load ramp
load mode to ease in loading (lowers rear suspension)

Cybertruck loses on
- name
- styling
- the one time someone needs to drive more than 500 miles per day (if you're a hotshotter, this isn't your rig)
- the guy who pulls more than 14k lbs (1% of trucks?, MAYBE 5% of trucks max)
- the guy who wants a gooseneck or otherwise needs an 8' bed (10% of truck buyers?)

so 20% at the most of truck buyers would have this be inferior. for 80% of truck owners, this wins ALL DAY? LONG​

 

[MIFlyer]

Some interesting first impressions here:

I don’t think it registered on me at first, but this truck comes with 35” wheels. It may date me a bit, but it doesn’t seem that long ago that 15” or 16” wheels were considered large!

Not mentioned, but I can see this appealing to someone with zero need for a truck, and viewing it as a high performance hatchback/SUV with huge storage capability.

yes, the one thing I regret about my truck is that the back isn't totally dry. I have a feeling the cybertruck will be bone dry and secure in the back, giving you the best of suv and truck.

additionally, it has awesome approach and departure angles. I'm surprise Elon isn't putting a winch in standard

 

[Shawn]

I have no idea what this comparison is supposed to mean. I used to have five different coffee shops within a five minute drive of my house. I now have at least six Starbucks in that radius and all the others have closed. Three other independent shops have come since and two have already gone. I'll be curious to see how long the current one lasts.

Not sure how that has anything to do with Musk or Tesla.

The comparison to Starbucks was not in reference to their current market domination but prior to their emergence on the scene the coffee shop by in large was boutique novelty and lattes and cappuccinos were being consumed by a trendy few. Starbucks for better or worse made it a mainstream experience and part of the typical person's daily lives.

Same with Tesla...EVs to date have be for a trendy few but Tesla is bringing the technology to be more mainstream as well as practical and available to the masses as a viable alternative to a combustion vehicle.

 

[FastEddieB]

I believe there are Scandinavian counties where Teslas outsell all other brands. Easy to Google if anyone wants to confirm.

 

[MIFlyer]

Perfect. We can trade rides in each other's vehicles, and afterwards argue over a beer which one is uglier, my Aztec or your Tesla.

Unfortunately we are closing our Seattle office and moving it to Houston in the New Year, so my already too infrequent visits will decline further.




Not impossible to do, but runs the risk the trailer becomes one that can only be towed by a Tesla. If they made it only in stainless that might actually have a niche market, who knows.

Not sure what you mean by "toy" 5th wheels? My wife's all-aluminum horse trailer has a fifth-wheel hitch. It weighs 5700 lbs empty and 15,500 lbs fully loaded. Admittedly not the size of trailer one would need to haul with a Kenworth tractor.

But, imo for that size and weight, safer and more maneuverable with a 5th wheel hitch than a frame hitch. We have hitch rails in the bed of her gasoline 5.3 liter GMC 1/2-ton and she can easily move the empty trailer to position it, or make short trips with a mare & foal, to the vet for example. But if she loads it with three of her adult horses and riding gear, and needs to go any distance in the mountains around here she has to use my turbo-diesel F350 with its 25,000 lb tow capacity.

I think of the cybertruck in the same way I think of the Aztec. If you care about capabilities, it's difficult to argue with either, except in edge cases. Example, the Aztec is exemplary at carrying ice, carrying cargo, and having a forgiving stall/vmc profile (especially with VGs and boots). People can argue a Baron looks better or "Beech QUALITY", but it doesn't change the fact that barons are 12" wide and can carry 4 supermodels.)

I feel like the Aztec and Cybertruck are both for the people who are doing an "engineer's analysis" like you've stated you did when you chose the Aztec. In your personal case, I understand that you need more hauling capacity than the Cyberturck, but the vast, vast majority of truck buyers don't need more than 14k lbs.

And honestly, I'll genuinely feel like we missed an opportunity if we don't at least get a dinner+ beer, let alone a party trip to Rough River Kentucky. I'm not as darn goofy in person as I am online.

 

[flyingcheesehead]

Not interested in driving a triangle. And bad windows to.

Actually, despite the failed demo, it still showed that the windows are at least really good. An average car would have had a hole and a big metal ball inside the car.

I think you are right, the cool one is in the works.

Nope. People didn't like the nose of the Model 3 when that first was unveiled either, and it wasn't changed significantly prior to release.

Quick question for the EV owners. How hard can you run those things before the batteries or electric motors over heat. I haven't heard any solid numbers on this and don't know of anyone personally tracking any EV.

Early on, someone took a Model S to the Nurburgring and pushed it hard... I don't think it even completed a lap. The battery overheated.

Recently, a Model S had an unofficial lap time on the Nurburgring of 7:20, which would put it in between the Ferrari 488 GTB and the Corvette C6 ZR1.

As with other things, Tesla has continued to make improvements that have really added up over time. The Performance Model 3 has a "track mode" that does some really neat things. https://www.tesla.com/blog/how-track-mode-works

One challenge with the target market is going to be the aftermarket.

The 4WD truck market wants to lift 4-6”, throw on 33”+ tires on 20”+ wheels, LED light bars and cubes, bumpers/bull bars/headache racks....customization, in short.

Be interesting to see how an aftermarket (or lack thereof) impacts sales.

I would imagine that the wacky design will inspire some cool purpose-built aftermarket stuff.

Referring to a truck camper. e.g.
View attachment 80116

This has a similar problem to the 5th wheeler - it needs space to hang over the sides of the bed.

Aha. Again, I would imagine there'll be some purpose-built ones, but I'd also imagine they'll be really expensive both due to the size and relative wealth of the target market in the short term.

Of course, the CyberTruck won't have a problem with a small travel trailer:

View attachment 80115

But you don't need a CyberTruck for that, you can tow that with a Model X today. Admittedly, you don't have the pretty significant benefit of the 240V power source of the truck.

Which leaves your large travel trailers:
View attachment 80118

The CyberTruck will do fine with these, but these are about as aerodynamic as a Home Depot, so count on cutting your range in 5. These are also NOT fun vehicles to travel with - they're more meant to be left at a destination for a long time.

There's a LOT of travel trailers in between those two, though. I'm thinking of the 23-25 foot ones that can be towed by a normal pickup or large SUV, have a queen bed plus a pair of bunks, kitchen/living area and bathroom. Looking around on the road and at Oshkosh, I think that category likely makes up at least half of all travel trailers, and the CyberTruck shoudl be able to handle them all.

The perfect combination with a CyberTruck IMO is a Truck Camper. You don't have the SuperCharger "fit" issues of a trailer, they are the best suited for off roading - which the CyberTruck will be great at due to the clearance, and the Truck battery makes it ideal for off grid. But the bed design of the CyberTruck makes it impossible.

Good points... But not impossible, merely more difficult because it'll have to be specifically built for the CyberTruck instead of just a generic one.

Three predictions:

1. The design is going to be "tweaked" quite a bit by the time it starts being produced to broaden its market appeal;
2. The stainless body will be replaced with conventional painted steel (comment below);

I don't think it'll be changed. There was a fair bit of negative reaction to the Model 3 too, and it wasn't changed. Elon has been saying that this is his favorite vehicle so far, too, so I'm sure he won't let go of it that easily.

Kent, most people are terrible drivers.

True. And this is why we can't have nice things.

They should have named it the "Origami".
This is what you get when you ask for a truck from a clean sheet of paper.

I was thinking that @steingar should show us how to make an origami model of it.

 

[1RTK1]

-1 strongly disagree

set aside any religious argument in favor of soot.

look at the price and specs and let me know what truck is better for 95% of truck owners than this.

Best in class
TCO = win once you count in fuel and MX
range 500 not towing, 250 towing
14k tow capcity
same price as a loaded F150 or a well appointed super duty, but without all the fuel and MX expenses
one of the best clearance/approach angle/departure angle

Features no one has
- real power for jobsite (not some bs 300w inverter, but a real 120/240v inverter) plus air.

best tailgate with load ramp
load mode to ease in loading (lowers rear suspension)

Cybertruck loses on
- name
- styling
- the one time someone needs to drive more than 500 miles per day (if you're a hotshotter, this isn't your rig)
- the guy who pulls more than 14k lbs (1% of trucks?, MAYBE 5% of trucks max)
- the guy who wants a gooseneck or otherwise needs an 8' bed (10% of truck buyers?)

so 20% at the most of truck buyers would have this be inferior. for 80% of truck owners, this wins ALL DAY? LONG​

Bet you a dollar to a doughnut that people who really use their trucks will never buy this contraption.

 

[MIFlyer]

Ok. Like I said, not a hot shotter but have towed 14,000 lbs, hauled 2 yards of mulch, my 30’ travel trailer plus kids and 4 bikes, and built a house hauling materials and waste for a year.

The cyber truck, despite its goofy appearance would do all of these jobs for me as well or better than my one ton diesel.

Tell me more about “real” truck users and estimate what percentage of new truck buyers they are.


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[1RTK1]

Ok. Like I said, not a hot shotter but have towed 14,000 lbs, hauled 2 yards of mulch, my 30’ travel trailer plus kids and 4 bikes, and built a house hauling materials and waste for a year.

The cyber truck, despite its goofy appearance would do all of these jobs for me as well or better than my one ton diesel.

Tell me more about “real” truck users and estimate what percentage of new truck buyers they are.


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What percent of total car sales are pure EV? What ever that is this truck will be a fraction of it. Maybe in another 20-50 years, just not in the near future...
I live in one of the largest farming areas in America, ain’t gonna happen here and I bet we buy more trucks than most other areas. They “really” use trucks daily....
I Have my doubts about the level of abuse the cybertruck can sustain

 

[Brad W]

I'm actually getting ready to buy a replacement pickup for my tired sliverado, and I was really hoping this thing would be announced as something reasonably affordable (in line with a standard F-150 lariat or so..) and with a ship date not too far out. I like the idea of electric, & I think the current tesla line looks classy and with a lot of awesome features.
Sadly, I wish i could have a chat with Elon and ask him what the ____ he was thinking? Here's a potential no joke customer, and that thing aint for me. I don't know who that intended market is, but it's not someone like me. Is this a joke? I was really hoping for something classy.

Oh well, guess I'll have to buy another gas hog.

 

[tspear]

I'm actually getting ready to buy a replacement pickup for my tired sliverado, and I was really hoping this thing would be announced as something reasonably affordable (in line with a standard F-150 lariat or so..) and with a ship date not too far out. I like the idea of electric, & I think the current tesla line looks classy and with a lot of awesome features.
Sadly, I wish i could have a chat with Elon and ask him what the ____ he was thinking? Here's a potential no joke customer, and that thing aint for me. I don't know who that intended market is, but it's not someone like me. Is this a joke? I was really hoping for something classy.

Oh well, guess I'll have to buy another gas hog.

I think GM and Ford both announced EV trucks in 2021. So two years....

Tim

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[weilke]

Tesla threads. They are like political discussions. The fanboys make excuses for the shortcomings, the haters hate.










I dont expect this to be the first mainstream e-pickup we'll see on the road. There will be a GM or Ford with a utility body replacing streetlights or gas meters long before the first blade runner props clog up the parking lot at the local Starbucks. E-trucks will work well for many delivery, repair and service applications where the daily mileage isn't large and the payload needs are modest.

 

[Mtns2Skies]

additionally, it has awesome approach and departure angles. I'm surprise Elon isn't putting a winch in standard

So clearly you've never actually gone offroading. The cybertruck will not be remotely capable because of a few things you've neglected:

Break over angle
Weight.

This is going to be wildly heavier than any ICE truck and it's sooooo long you're going to get high centered with the wheels that far out. It'll get stuck in just a hint of soft terrain.

Well it doesn't really matter because it's only ever going to see LA streets anyways. It can probably take a pothole like a champ.

 

[Mtns2Skies]

I'd be very curious to see how they get around crash testing. It sure didn't look like this was engineered with a crumple zone. Aren't windows supposed to shatter for emergency rescue? Not sure where it stands on road legality.