Tesla Model 3 - Finally.

This thread led me to a YouTube channel called Rich Rebuilds that points out a lot of ugly warts of Tesla ownership. Had no idea you can't get service records, or that service is so eye-wateringly expensive for stupid crap.

The LS swap into a Tesla was pretty interesting.
 
Sounds like a right pain in the ass to me. I’m not planning on using mine for long trips.
I don't use my ICE pickup truck for long trips either, even though it rides as nice, or nicer than almost any sedan I have owned.
That is what the Bonanza is for.
 
I don't use my ICE pickup truck for long trips either, even though it rides as nice, or nicer than almost any sedan I have owned.
That is what the Bonanza is for.

I got stuck doing so on my last long trip because while I can drive through tropical storm remnants, with embedded TSRA flying through them is quite frowned upon, and on this particular trip would have ended in a mid flight breakup and much celebration among PoA members. Due to time constraints on both ends it was a last minute no go decision on the flight.
 
Why would I get one of those to save fuel? I mean isn't that the whole point of going EV?

There are MANY reasons... And probably zero of them apply to everybody.

Vegan? Well, yeah, I guess, Teslas are even "Vegan" right now as they don't use animal leather on the interiors. And now I feel like I need to go eat some bacon to make up for that. :rofl:
Environmentally friendly? Yeah, if they last at least a year, in theory.
Quiet? Yup.
Smooth? Yup.
Powerful? Well, to varying degrees, just like ICEVs... Not a whole lot of daily driver soccer-mom-mobiles that do 0-60 in 4 seconds or less though. :rofl:
Fun? Again, yes, to varying degrees.
Convenient? IMO, very much so. Someone who does frequent 500+ mile road trips while peeing in Gatorade bottles to make good time may not think so. For most people, the increased convenience of not having to go to the gas station (especially in cold weather!) all year long will balance out the slight inconvenience of spending a few extra minutes at their stops when they do take a road trip.
American? Tesla is more so than most vehicles - The Big Three are viewed as "American" but are they really? I actually got some hate for not buying an "American" car when I had a Honda, and my reply was "Which is more American, your Ford that was built in Mexico or my Honda that was built in Ohio?" Tesla is an American company that builds all of their cars for the western hemisphere in the USA (Batteries near Reno, NV; Cars in Fremont, CA and soon to be Austin, TX).

So there's plenty of reasons... And if you have reasons to go elsewhere, so be it.

Personally, I first got one because there was a good deal going on the plug-in hybrid version of the Fusion, such that it was cheaper than the regular one. So I went, "Sure, I'll give it a try" and quickly found that I much preferred it.

Some wag has made the point that “I wish I had less range” is something said by no one ever.

On the other hand, that "Always buy the longest range model" is what kept me from buying a Tesla for several years, and I wish I'd done it sooner - Preferably before the suffering that the poor ergonomics of GM caused me.

Yes, if you can swing it, great. But that's a $10,000 option and that makes a material difference to many people, and as with airplanes, it depends on the mission. I don't do a whole lot of road trips - That's why I have an airplane. So the standard range is fine for my mission, and if I need to do a road trip I still can, just not quite as conveniently as if I'd gotten a long range. But for $10K I'll suck it up and deal with a few minutes of charging here and there.

We’re new at this, and gradually learning how to get a handle on range anxiety. Other Tesla owners say it’s something you get over pretty quickly once you establish good charging habits.

Yup.

Not if it's Apple, Tesla, or Mooney!!!

Ed, I don't need to say anything about the shortcomings of Apple, Tesla, or Mooney when you're around, so I don't. :rofl:

Yes, they all have shortcomings. I'm annoyed that Apple hasn't put a little more energy into HomeKit. The Mooney is really loud because the construction isn't stressed-skin like other planes so it transmits noise into the cabin more readily, so ANR is a must. Tesla's software could be better - But in the grand scheme of things, it only annoys me because it's usually so good that the imperfections stick out. Certainly, Autopilot and FSD need work though, and my experience so far has been 99% joy and glee, and 1% swearing and yelling at it. :rofl:

But yeah, with haters like you in the world, I don't need to focus on shortcomings - I just attempt to correct the ones that are somewhat misinformed.

Another thing that makes me laugh is how the fanboys treat Musk and DeLorean like gods. Don’t say anything bad about them or they’ll jump all over you.

People like Musk, DeLorean, Jobs, Bezos, etc., are smart, driven people but they didn’t do it own their own. They had an idea, in some cases not even their own but were smart enough to sell that idea and put the right people in place to bring it to market.

They aren’t (weren’t) saints either.

That's fer damn sure. Jobs was a real jerk to work for in his first stint with Apple, and was certainly quirky throughout his life. He paid for it, too - Everything I've heard is that he could have survived his cancer had he attempted real medical intervention earlier instead of homeopathic stuff.

Musk is... Well, the guy is incredibly smart and works very hard. But he seems to be kind of a jerk, sometimes very much so, and says some crazy stuff.

I think that when someone is as smart, visionary, and driven as these guys, that other parts of their brains suffer because they often tend to also be whackjobs in certain areas.
 
I'd rather pay them the $100 though than the other option some are talking about, getting your GPS data to "see how far you drive"
Using GPS data seems like overkill. Just go by the odometer. I know people object, but it seems fairer than the current system which relies on gasoline tax. Tax by vehicle class (weight) and mileage.

Musk is... Well, the guy is incredibly smart and works very hard. But he seems to be kind of a jerk, sometimes very much so, and says some crazy stuff.
He has Aspergers. That probably explains a lot of it.

I used to think that Musk was insane. He kept saying that he was going to do all these impossible things. I thought the early Tesla adopters were nuts, too. Couldn't see how it would ever work. Now Tesla is outselling other brands and Musk is routinely reusing rocket boosters ten times, or more. I think they're up to 106 or 107 successful landings of orbital-class boosters. And they have an underground transportation system operating at the Las Vegas Convention Center. I can't bet against him anymore.
 
The interesting thing about a Tesla is most who complain about them have never actually owned one. It’s now topped consumer reports owner satisfaction survey for 4 straight years by margins never seen before.
 
The interesting thing about a Tesla is most who complain about them have never actually owned one. It’s now topped consumer reports owner satisfaction survey for 4 straight years by margins never seen before.

I don't need to have cancer to know I don't want it. I've ridden in a Tesla and it was awful. Felt like someone learning how to drive a manual. And I've ridden with the person driving in ICE vehicles, so its not like they dont know how to drive. "Oh, but the jerkiness of the engine and 'braking' is a feature."

And every road trip I've ever done, it's to get to go where I'm going, not to dilly-dally. Nope "The stopping for 30-40 minutes is a feature!" No. No it's not. While I'm pumping gas for 5 minutes, pax is inside grabbing drinks and snack food. Then I'm in for 60 seconds to squirt and we are gone. And the last trip required only 1 stop where the Tesla would have been 2 possibly 3, because the destination didn't have outside outlets to charge and we needed to get around where we were without wasting time charging.

But the Kool-Aid consumers will try to sell us objective people that:

The limited range compared to ICE is a "feature" because you have to get out of the car more. If the car is so awesome, why do you want to get out more often?
The extended time to charge on trips is a "feature." If you need to get somewhere, why are you wasting time charging, oh especially when in a caravan like do from time to time and make everyone else wait on you?

The jerkiness of the slowing down is "fun" and a "feature." Not when my drink is spilling from the jerkiness it's not.

I will concede that if you never go more than 200 miles in a day, plugging in at home and having a full "tank" is great. But like yesterday I had to hit 5 customers (and no I'm not going to ask them if I can charge up, I'm not that much of an *******), do 400ish miles, and didn't drive past a single charging station, but drove past probably 60 gas stations. Now maybe they don't have signs up where I can see em without having my eyes on the grossly oversized and distracting monitor, and I passed 10 of them without knowing. But I didn't need fuel, because, well, range and I've still got 110 miles on my tank after getting home.. And if I'm dropping 50k or 60k on a vehicle, it better do a whole lot more than just give me the ability to drive on a full 'tank' for my 5 minute drive to work, and 15 minute drive to bowling every day. Yippie skippie. But if I don't have to do my 400ish mile loop, I go for weeks on a full tank anyway.

I don't hate them, but they arent the end all be all that the KoolAidaholics claim they are. Just be honest about the shortcomings and don't call them a "feature." At least call a spade a spade.

And that doesn't even address the subjectiveness aspect of how they look.
 
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Based on how you describe the Tesla driving I am going to guess you have not actually driven or ridden in one. It’s the smoothest drive train you will find anywhere both accelerating and decelerating. As for stopping every 30 to 40 minutes typically I stop every 3 hours driving at 70. I routinely do a 500 mile roundtrip and stop once to charge. Driving locally I wake up every day with 300 miles of range. Never waste a minute at a gas station.
 
But the Kool-Aid consumers will try to sell us objective people that:
I certainly wouldn't call you objective
The limited range compared to ICE is a "feature" because you have to get out of the car more. If the car is so awesome, why do you want to get out more often?
I don't recall anyone claiming that as a feature. But feel free to quote it.

People have already told you Teslas aren't for you. We get that.
 
Based on how you describe the Tesla driving I am going to guess you have not actually driven or ridden in one. It’s the smoothest drive train you will find anywhere both accelerating and decelerating. As for stopping every 30 to 40 minutes typically I stop every 3 hours driving at 70. I routinely do a 500 mile roundtrip and stop once to charge. Driving locally I wake up every day with 300 miles of range. Never waste a minute at a gas station.

Call me a liar if you need to, seems to be the usual M.O. around here. But I have ridden in one, and it was absolutely awful. He'd let off on the accelerator, and we would lurch forward like we were driving in a gear 2 gears too low. I didn't say stopping every 30-40 minutes. RIF.
 
The interesting thing about a Tesla is most who complain about them have never actually owned one. It’s now topped consumer reports owner satisfaction survey for 4 straight years by margins never seen before.

"most who complain"

so, there are some Telsa owners that complain about them, yes?

fwiw - I probably won't buy a Telsa... kind of out of my price range for a car. But I don't have objections to EVs
 
Call me a liar if you need to, seems to be the usual M.O. around here. But I have ridden in one, and it was absolutely awful. He'd let off on the accelerator, and we would lurch forward like we were driving in a gear 2 gears too low. I didn't say stopping every 30-40 minutes. RIF.
He was doing it wrong. It does take a little bit of getting used to, it is different, but if he’s still lurching after driving it a few hours he’s not trying to do it right. You don’t drive a stick shift the same was as an auto, and you don’t drive a Tesla the same way as an ice. That doesn’t mean the Tesla can’t be driven properly, just that your friend isn’t doing it.
 
He was doing it wrong. It does take a little bit of getting used to, it is different, but if he’s still lurching after driving it a few hours he’s not trying to do it right. You don’t drive a stick shift the same was as an auto, and you don’t drive a Tesla the same way as an ice. That doesn’t mean the Tesla can’t be driven properly, just that your friend isn’t doing it.

Fair enough.
 
I have driven a S, X and own a Y. I don’t know how you can make it lurch other than slamming on the brakes. If you instantly release the accelerator it smoothly decelerates to a stop. No lurching, jolts or bumps. Regenerative breaking is not all that strong.
 
He had regen on standard and not low. I don’t drive on standard for the same reason. Just too abrupt. I’m a coaster. The regen gains you get on standard vs low is marginal anyway.
 
I have driven a S, X and own a Y. I don’t know how you can make it lurch other than slamming on the brakes. If you instantly release the accelerator it smoothly decelerates to a stop. No lurching, jolts or bumps. Regenerative breaking is not all that strong.

After only a few weeks I’m used to the “one pedal driving” and I’m pretty smooth at it. I doubt a passenger could even tell that I rarely have to use the brake pedal at all.

One exception is when disengaging cruise control. One has to remember the car won’t simply coast - you have to remember to get back on the throttle pretty quickly to avoid a quite pronounced deceleration. But once I’m used to that I’m sure it will become quite automatic.
 
you have to remember to get back on the throttle pretty quickly to avoid a quite pronounced deceleration. But once I’m used to that I’m sure it will become quite automatic.
Do you have acceleration set for Sport or Chill?
 
Sport.

Speaking of which, where would one set regen level?
I drive on Chill. It works like it sounds, making the one pedal driving more relaxed and a bit more comfortable. And it's an easy toggle back to Sport when I want to show off the launch.

Chill is also fairly tame when you disengage normal cruise by pushing the stalk upward.
 
One exception is when disengaging cruise control. One has to remember the car won’t simply coast - you have to remember to get back on the throttle pretty quickly to avoid a quite pronounced deceleration.
Disconnect cruise or auto-steer by lifting the right staulk (same action as putting it in reverse if you're stopped). That was you can already have your foot on the accelerator when you disengage.
 
I drive on Chill. It works like it sounds, making the one pedal driving more relaxed and a bit more comfortable. And it's an easy toggle back to Sport when I want to show off the launch.

Chill is also fairly tame when you disengage normal cruise by pushing the stalk upward.

I’ll try that. In the Clarity, SPORT mode remapped the gas pedal making the car feel much more responsive, and going to ECON or NORMAL made it feel mushy once I was used to SPORT. And I like the heavy regen most times in SPORT on the Tesla. But I’ll let you know my impressions once I chill out!

As an aside, I thought I’d enjoy SPORT for steering as well, but it just made it feel unnecessarily heavy for no good reason and I went STANDARD, which feels better to me.
 
Just did a drive in CHILL mode. I could not discern and change in regen at all, just a vague mushiness to the accelerator pedal. Like on the Clarity, I prefer a more responsive accelerator pedal.

As an aside, on the Clarity, none of the driving modes limit the power available if you floor it. Apparently in the Tesla CHILL mode does just that. I don’t like that - in the admittedly rare case of needing maximum acceleration, I would not want it to be artificially limited.
 
On our recent trip, I used a RAM cup holder mount and a QuadLock mount for my iPhone. I far prefer the phone at roughly eye level, so I mounted an adhesive RAM mount to the back of the display, then combined it with a 2” arm and a QuadLock mount…

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Perfectly placed and within easy reach. QuadLock also sells a wireless charging mount. Kinda pricey at $75, but I may give it a try as well.
 
I don't need to have cancer to know I don't want it. I've ridden in a Tesla and it was awful. Felt like someone learning how to drive a manual. And I've ridden with the person driving in ICE vehicles, so its not like they dont know how to drive.
Sorry, but unless you were driving in a rock quarry, or there was something drastically wrong with THAT Tesla, I just don't believe that.
 
On our recent trip, I used a RAM cup holder mount and a QuadLock mount for my iPhone. I far prefer the phone at roughly eye level, so I mounted an adhesive RAM mount to the back of the display, then combined it with a 2” arm and a QuadLock mount…

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Perfectly placed and within easy reach. QuadLock also sells a wireless charging mount. Kinda pricey at $75, but I may give it a try as well.

Illegal in a few states. Can't have anything blocking your view out the front window.
 
Illegal in a few states. Can't have anything blocking your view out the front window.
I doubt that qualifies as "blocking the view", however, it's a perfect reason that Tesla should get on board with adding Android Auto/Apple CarPlay to the software. Then all of that map/audio/etc. info is displayed on the giant tablet glued to the dash.
 
As an aside, on the Clarity, none of the driving modes limit the power available if you floor it. Apparently in the Tesla CHILL mode does just that. I don’t like that - in the admittedly rare case of needing maximum acceleration, I would not want it to be artificially limited.

This is pretty common on motorcycles these days, different modes that change both the throttle response and also the max power. However a lot of these motorcycles come with ludicrous horsepower levels - you're talking <4 lbs per hp with rider - so it's a bit different.

In a car, I wouldn't want it. But on a bike, I think it can make sense.
 
Sorry, but unless you were driving in a rock quarry, or there was something drastically wrong with THAT Tesla, I just don't believe that.

I don’t think I’m seeing the post to which you are referring, but making some assumptions…

On the Tesla Motor Club forum, some have threatened to return cars because the regen makes passengers carsick.

“The perception is the reality”, but I can’t understand that.

To brake to a stop in most ICE vehicles, you must move your foot from the accelerator to the brake pedal, then modulate braking pressure smoothly to come to a full stop. To brake to a stop with “one pedal” driving, you lighten pressure on the accelerator pedal, then beyond a certain point you modulate accelerator pressure smoothly to come to a full stop. Different enough to take some adjustment, but it sure seems like any moderately competent driver could fully adjust to it in the space of a few drives at most. If it makes the car impossible to drive smoothly, I think that’s a limitation of the driver, not the vehicle.
 
To brake to a stop in most ICE vehicles, you must move your foot from the accelerator to the brake pedal, then modulate braking pressure smoothly to come to a full stop. To brake to a stop with “one pedal” driving, you lighten pressure on the accelerator pedal, then beyond a certain point you modulate accelerator pressure smoothly to come to a full stop. Different enough to take some adjustment, but it sure seems like any moderately competent driver could fully adjust to it in the space of a few drives at most. If it makes the car impossible to drive smoothly, I think that’s a limitation of the driver, not the vehicle.

I've not driven a vehicle with 1-foot driving. It definitely is a different model. When I consider how bad many people are at driving, and how much they have a hard time grasping how a vehicle works, I could see the adjustment being challenging. It's the sort of thing that, if it becomes the real wave of the future, will be no problem for the next generation of drivers to grasp.

Basically I agree that it's a driver limitation rather than a car one. Although I'm not convinced I think it's truly a "better" way to go.
 
I doubt that qualifies as "blocking the view", however, it's a perfect reason that Tesla should get on board with adding Android Auto/Apple CarPlay to the software. Then all of that map/audio/etc. info is displayed on the giant tablet glued to the dash.

You can get pulled over and ticketed in MI for having your graduation tassel, or similar, hanging from your rear view mirror. A phone up in your field of view will definitely qualify for a ticket.
 
You can get pulled over and ticketed in MI for having your graduation tassel, or similar, hanging from your rear view mirror. A phone up in your field of view will definitely qualify for a ticket.
Glad I don’t live in MI. I gots to have my mirror charms or I can’t drive.
 
I've not driven a vehicle with 1-foot driving. It definitely is a different model.

I guess I had some advantage - our Clarity has 4 levels of regen, which the driver has to select. But even the highest is not very high - reminiscent of downshifting a manual transmission car a gear. And I’ve been driving that for over 3 years.

But I seriously can’t see it as something all that hard to adjust to.
 
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