Osh 2019 camping first time

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I've been to Oshkosh a couple times, but this year will be the first flying in and camping for a few days. Planning on Sunday morning. My plane is old enough that Vintage camping is a technical option if GAC is full. Looking over the maps, it looks like most of the amenities (showers, etc) are geared for the N40. I didn't see any showers around Vintage or the South 40. Do people there just hike for a shower? Looks like the South 40 is a loooooong way from anything.

I'm shooting for the N40, but want to have a plan Q in place. Thanks!

Less than a month!
 
Ignore the map -- there are facilities for both Vintage and South 40. They bring in shower trailers which aren't bad at all.
 
Yeah, I wouldn't blow off the vintage for that. If you want off the reservation for dinner or something it is a consideration, there are some eateries within walking distance of the field, but they're far more easily accessed from the North 40.
 
I've camped in both. I won't camp in vintage again. In the N40, there are nice shower houses with real sinks, real toilets, power outlets, benches, etc. It's actually pretty nice.

Vintage camping is much more, uh, primative. Showers are in trailers, some of which get pretty gnarly after a few days, the water pressure isn't great. Depending on where you are in vintage, you're using outdoor plastic sinks with minimal water pressure and porta potties. Electrical outlets are sparse for charging. Certain areas in vintage have nicer shower trailers, but they still don't compare to the facilities in the N40.
 
If you get in on Sunday, Vintage will likely be your only option.
Ugh. We're hoping to hit the arrival around 8am Sunday. N40 fills up on Saturday that quick? Weather accommodating...
 
I think its up to chance and the weather. If there's nice weather Saturday, there's a good chance of ground saturation by that evening. Particularly if the weather Sunday looks iffy. But honestly, with Vintage, you are in great shape because you wont be turned away completely.
 
Ugh. We're hoping to hit the arrival around 8am Sunday. N40 fills up on Saturday that quick? Weather accommodating...
Weather is always the main factor on how and when things fill up. Early on Sunday gives you a decent chance of being in the N40 but you will most likely be on the North side of the runway which is fine, but you will spend time walking or on the bus to get to the south side of the N40 where most facilities are. Personally I considered Vintage but the facilities seem more spread out and there were less of them (ie: lines), so I stick with the N40. All that said... last year the N40 was pretty sloppy so when we snuck in (the wx was nuts) on Saturday, they sent us to the S40. People were not happy, including me. Some folks didn't even setup camp and waited until the N40 opened and then they taxi'd all the way back up there. We stayed put and in the end.... it was just fine. Yes there were less facilities, yes it is a bit off the beaten path, but it was quiet, and really chill and laid back. We ended up spending a lot of time at the ultralight field watching the STOL and paramotors in the evening so it was nice being close. There are buses that run down there, and random other modes of transit. You are going to walk a lot no matter where you camp. In the end, the south side of the N40 is my first preference, then the S40. Honestly no matter where you end up.... you are still at the greatest aviation spectacle in all of the world. You don't go there for the bathrooms or the showers right?
 
A note on the above... the weather between OSH and the entire east half of the country was just atrocious last year. This, I believe, delayed many arrivals and caused the camping to fill up slower than normal. If the weekend weather is good, you might find it filling up quite a bit faster.
 
Been going for quite a few years and I've yet to see the N 40 fill up before Sunday. Yeah, you can be a ways out if you get in then. Then again, they have busses.
 
Does anyone have a handle on how fast General Aviation Parking fills up? Going to be flying in this year, but staying in Camp Scholler.
 
I was reading the Airventure Camping Guidelines and I found a few of them interesting.

Only one tent per plane unless a second tent is needed for immediate family members. If additional tents are needed, they must fit within the footprint of the aircraft. I knew they didn't like two tents, but I didn't know the rule actually allowed them if needed!

All aircraft must be tied down. “Dog leash” tiedowns are prohibited. For those of you who have asked what kind of tiedowns to bring... not these!

In general, alcoholic beverage consumption is prohibited on airport property, except in officially designated areas or under specific permission given by authorized EAA staff. Got to remember my koozie!

 
In general, alcoholic beverage consumption is prohibited on airport property, except in officially designated areas or under specific permission given by authorized EAA staff.
Good thing it is ONLY "In general" and not a blanket statement. The authorized EAA staff must give a lot of specific permissions. I never knew pilots drank so much beer before I went to Oshkosh!
 
The alcohol thing is more geared towards the confines of the main show grounds and not the aircraft camping areas even though they are on airport property. Besides the myriad of parties throughout the camping areas, EAA sells beer in the camp stores. Shoot we even have a beer tasting event under the HBC pavilion Sunday afternoon before the show start on Monday.
 
I wanted to park in Vintage last year but by my Monday morning arrival, they were parking us in the S-40. I was a few rows from where the corn field started. As others said, it was a haul to anywhere. Porta pottys's and shower trailers, which by the way, were smoking hot by mid-day. This year I understand they are extending the trams etc, adding some other comforts for the S-40. This year I'll be flying in with the Cherokees 2 OSH mass arrival and camping in the N-40.

Just find you a spot and hit the pavement.
 
The alcohol thing is more geared towards the confines of the main show grounds and not the aircraft camping areas even though they are on airport property. Besides the myriad of parties throughout the camping areas, EAA sells beer in the camp stores. Shoot we even have a beer tasting event under the HBC pavilion Sunday afternoon before the show start on Monday.
I agree they don't enforce it, but if you look at the link I provided, that statement is under the "Campsites" heading.
 
This year I understand they are extending the trams etc, adding some other comforts for the S-40.
I haven't heard this, but it would be welcome news for many. I know it was one of the biggest complaints I got from people. The trams only run on pavement though, so maybe they extended the road.
 
I agree they don't enforce it, but if you look at the link I provided, that statement is under the "Campsites" heading.

I know it’s there— that was my point and why I mentioned they sell beer in the camp stores.
 
I know it’s there— that was my point and why I mentioned they sell beer in the camp stores.
Gotcha. I just think it's one of those rules they can use if you're too far out of line. I mean, if Patty can get arrested...
 
Only one tent per plane unless a second tent is needed for immediate family members. If additional tents are needed, they must fit within the footprint of the aircraft. I knew they didn't like two tents, but I didn't know the rule actually allowed them if needed!
Tons of sites with two or more tents, and some with HUGE single tents. Never seen any problems.
All aircraft must be tied down. “Dog leash” tiedowns are prohibited. For those of you who have asked what kind of tiedowns to bring... not these!
Google "the Claw" or "flyties" lots of other options too. EAA will also rent/sell you some when you park.
 
Tons of sites with two or more tents, and some with HUGE single tents. Never seen any problems.

Google "the Claw" or "flyties" lots of other options too. EAA will also rent/sell you some when you park.

I bought a set from EAA a few years ago and just kept them. They get the job done. Maybe $25 on site to buy them.
 
I haven't heard this, but it would be welcome news for many. I know it was one of the biggest complaints I got from people. The trams only run on pavement though, so maybe they extended the road.
I know they have increased the S-40 but I might be wrong about the addition of trams, store etc. From the NOTAM

Finally, the second phase of expanding the South 40 has added 17 acres of aircraft parking/camping land to allow more aircraft to be accommodated at AirVenture.
https://www.eaa.org/en/airventure/e...rrival-Procedures-Enacted-for-AirVenture-2019
 
After last year, I'm betting on the N40 filling up on Saturday. The obvious solution to the traffic jam is to come a day early.
 
After last year, I'm betting on the N40 filling up on Saturday. The obvious solution to the traffic jam is to come a day early.

Yep. I hope that doesn't come to pass. It would be annoying if I had to start taking friday off to beat the crowd.
 
Now I’m second guessing camping in Vintage. I think I’ll still stick with that plan for my first time, I may try the N40 next year.

Planning on arriving early on Saturday.
 
Now I’m second guessing camping in Vintage. I think I’ll still stick with that plan for my first time, I may try the N40 next year.

Planning on arriving early on Saturday.
I plan to camp in Vintage, and arrive on Sunday. I’ve arrived on Saturday and Sunday and found plenty of parking.
 
Do they ever run out?

Not that I know of. I see the guys sitting in the tie-down shacking making new kits all week. I'm guessing by now they've got a pretty good handle on how many they need.
 
Not that I know of. I see the guys sitting in the tie-down shacking making new kits all week. I'm guessing by now they've got a pretty good handle on how many they need.
What’s included? I’m planning to bring my own, but just in case...

Are they the 3-spike style?
 
They've expanded the South 40 GA parking this year. The goal is by next year to not turn away any aircraft (homebuilt, Vintage, or GA). As poitned out, there's nothing wrong with Vintage. We don't have the new shower/toilet building that GA got a few years ago but there are at least 2-3 shower trailers plus the old permanent shower building up by theatre in the woods. The Tall Pines Cafe is open for breakfast (and other meals prior to the food outlets getting going). We have food in the evening at Major Goolsbys (Vintage Cafe) and the Machine Shed (Hangar Cafe).

BRING YOUR OWN TIE DOWNS. Getting a hold of a tie down can be problematic at times despite the guys in the shack.
 
What’s included? I’m planning to bring my own, but just in case...

Are they the 3-spike style?

A single angled stake and rope. They'll even install them for you (though they won't tie them to the plane). It's quite handy, really. And the money goes to some local EAA chapter.
 
A single angled stake and rope. They'll even install them for you (though they won't tie them to the plane). It's quite handy, really. And the money goes to some local EAA chapter.
Ahh, the circus tent approach. That's simple. I'm heading out pretty soon to make my own version of the Stormforce style.
 
3 18" bridge spikes and 5 links of proof chain that the spikes can fit through (one link for each spike and two links for rope to the tiedown ring.

Jim
 
If my schedule works out it looks like a Tue AM arrival. What are the chances of GAC having openings?
 
Well, not the most extreme necro-post we’ve seen. I guess people are missing OshKosh.
 
Good for us newbies that are going next year!
My experience last year:

OSH was flooded early in the week, so camping was very limited. Things did open up later int he week.

My buddy and I were hoping we'd be able to get in, but had already planned to stay at FLD. OSH was our alternate, and it all worked out.

Read, and follow, all NOTAMs. Both for OSH and whatever your alternate is. Don't be that guy that calls FLD tower (when the NOTAM says something like, 'don't call tower until you are 4 miles...', or whatever it said) and say "xxx is on a 24.7 mile left downwind for runway 36". Yes, that really happened, and no, it wasn't me.

The FLD tower and ground controllers were outstanding. I only had to talk with them a couple times, but I did have to listen to them handle other traffic. They were great.

FLD experience itself:

Airport: It's a nice airport, they had lots of parking for both parking and camping. Two rwys, but they closed the crosswind rwy and used it for parking. Camping was on the grass. The FBO was open for breakfast (coffee, donuts, breakfast biscuits) at a reasonable price, but it does add up over several days. They do have bagged ice for your coolers, but I had a problem with that. By the time we got back from OSH on the shuttle bus each night, the FBO gang was gone for the day and the only ramper that was there didn't know anything about selling ice. So get what you need during normal office hours, which means first thing in the morning.

Fuel: They gave us a fuel hang tag for the prop. Put that out as soon as you can. Even doing that, though, you might end up finding yourself ready to leave and the fuel truck still hasn't come by. We were there 3 days (2 nights), and we still had to wait several hours for fuel on our departure day. There is a self serve island, but the wait in that line didn't seem to be much better. Get fuel as soon as you can. If your fuel tank can only be accessed from one spot, don't put your tent there.

Camping: Bring some sort of shower shoes - sandals, beach shoes, water shoes, flip flops, something. The floors of the shower trailers get pretty sloppy with water, dirt, and grass clippings. If you have a high wing you will be tempted to put your tent close to the trailing edge of the wing. The problem there is that dew will drip off that wing and onto your tent all night. The camping area is very close to the highway and traffic noise that first night will mean you will have trouble sleeping. Following nights won't be as bad because you'll be more used to it. If you can get acclimated to sleeping with earplugs before your trip, that might help. And bring the most powerful insect repellent you can find, the mosquitoes are vicious.

Transportation: There are shuttle buses that run between FLD and OSH. You can buy one-way or round-trip tickets. Something to consider - they do have a "last pickup" time, and that time last year was before the end of the Wed night fireworks show. If you want to stay for the whole show, you really will need to talk with the bus service and ask if they have a late pickup that night. Otherwise you'll either miss the last bit of the show or will have to make other travel arrangements.

I'm sure there are a few things I forgot, but half the fun is figuring this stuff out as it happens.
 
We are not able to head up until Friday morning on the 30th.. I am hoping there will be camping spot available somewhere!
 
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