timwinters
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Even if they find the airplane there will still be dumb theories. People love them.
I don't know what you're taking about...Elvis having a cabin on my back forty doesn't mean anything.
Even if they find the airplane there will still be dumb theories. People love them.
China is buying 777s by the dozen. Wouldn't it be.much easier to disappear one on a domestic repositioning flight ? The theories get dumber every day.
If the pilot was alive when they ran out of fuel, he probably would have attempted a wheels up dead stick landing on the water. The weather was pretty rough at the time so it probably would have sunk pretty quickly, possibly intact.Yeah right, the airliner goes slamming into the ocean from 37,000 and it's lying not he bottom in one piece in perfect planform?
If the pilot was not alive, the plane would have glided in wheels up at trimmed speed. If the computer was still functioning, then it would have pulled the nose up to maintain altitude until it slowed down, then glided in at that attitude which could theoretically ditch the plane straight ahead. If the sea conditions are cooperative, it does not seem outside the scope of possibility.
Seems easy enough to verify. I don't know about the depth. Should just take a little bit of time, and maybe a lot of money.
What are salvage laws on something like this?
Seems easy enough to verify. I don't know about the depth. Should just take a little bit of time, and maybe a lot of money.
What are salvage laws on something like this?
Henning can chime in. but....
I thought maritime salvage laws/ rights were the wreckage had to be manned 24/7 or it belongs to first come . first served...
Well, it's an interesting case, you can go out and find it and see what you can negotiate for the information, or if you can grab it and get it salvaged and secured, what you can negotiate for it. Since government navies are involved still, unless you have pre-negotiated your fee (not difficult to establish if you are willing to go 'no cure, no pay') with an interested party (airline, government, insurer, rich family member of a pax), there is nothing to prevent them from just taking it from you and telling you to **** off.
This must be a scam or a fraud. There are already good write-ups about the outrageous claims made by this company. People who know this mineral exploration business say such technology simply doesn't exist. It makes you wonder how tiny electromagnetic waves can be detected through 15000 ft of water depth. Pressed for details they hide behind the secrecy. The company (its internet page is barely 1 year old) also makes some claims abut finding some shipwreck which apparently is all lies.
This must be a scam or a fraud. There are already good write-ups about the outrageous claims made by this company. People who know this mineral exploration business say such technology simply doesn't exist. It makes you wonder how tiny electromagnetic waves can be detected through 15000 ft of water depth. Pressed for details they hide behind the secrecy. The company (its internet page is barely 1 year old) also makes some claims abut finding some shipwreck which apparently is all lies.
Yes, their so-called technology has to be a scam. There is no possible way to use remote imaging to distinguish trace metal elements in an object under the sea, as they claim to be doing.
The Australian company must be doing this as a publicity stunt.
...a blur kernel ...
I rarely hear anybody use the word kernel in a mathematical image processing context. Out of curiosity, what's your background?
Aside from being "old news" how does a catastrophic lithium-ion battery incident cause a widebody jet airliner to fly seven thousand miles in the opposite direction and run out of gas over the Indian Ocean?
And there is even 'less proof' that it isn't in the Indian Ocean.And, the fact remains...... there is ABSOLUTELY no proof the plane is in the Indian Ocean
Isn't it about time for a press release from TIGHAR ... ?
If the pilot was not alive, the plane would have glided in wheels up at trimmed speed. If the computer was still functioning, then it would have pulled the nose up to maintain altitude until it slowed down, then glided in at that attitude which could theoretically ditch the plane straight ahead. If the sea conditions are cooperative, it does not seem outside the scope of possibility.
Not if it landed on a giant squid. How cool would a deep sea bigfoot the hijacker vs a noble giant squid battle be?What about the trip from the ocean surface to the floor? I understand ships hit the deep sea floor at quite a clip; wouldn't that same thing break an airplane apart?
What about the trip from the ocean surface to the floor? I understand ships hit the deep sea floor at quite a clip; wouldn't that same thing break an airplane apart?
That's an interesting thought: If the wings were still attached, how well and how far would it 'glide' underwater?
That's an interesting thought: If the wings were still attached, how well and how far would it 'glide' underwater?
I think it would. I recall reading that Titanic hit the floor with the speed of roughly 40-50 mph, not sure about 777's speed underwater, you would have to compare relative density (weight/volume) of aircraft versus Titanic - I suspect 777 built of aluminium has lesser density but I could be off. I guess it would hit the bottom at 20-30 mph, probably enough to cause fuselage buckling but perhaps not enough to split aircraft in half.What about the trip from the ocean surface to the floor? I understand ships hit the deep sea floor at quite a clip; wouldn't that same thing break an airplane apart?
What about the trip from the ocean surface to the floor? I understand ships hit the deep sea floor at quite a clip; wouldn't that same thing break an airplane apart?
Maybe, air is a fluid, water is a fluid, if it was intact it would potentially glide through the water column as well. Even if it did break upon impacting the bottom, it would be pretty tightly contained as deepwater shipwrecks typically are.
I'm guessing IF they find any parts or pieces on the bottom of the ocean, the rest will be fairly close by. Even if it exploded when it hit the water, the parts and debris will be within a defined circle, with the expection of things that floated away. Even with the floating debris, they can figure an area to search based on the wind and tides.
If it's ever found, it will be based on luck as much as science.
...And, the fact remains...... there is ABSOLUTELY no proof the plane is in the Indian Ocean......