Hey, I think they told him he was borderline, so he figures he's almost ok.
Negative ANN article about Cirrus
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Hey, I think they told him he was borderline, so he figures he's almost ok.
He certainly doesn't need the money, what with being a test pilot and all.
Steve Foley
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Any chance you can post it?
That and his pension from being the captain over at JAL. ...and besides he has all that money he made when he was a doctor.
wanttaja
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Sure, will scan and post it in this weekend. Wasn't in a big rush, as it's pretty much boilerplate. Not as exciting to read as what comes out of Campbell's corner.
On that note...what happens next? I presume the ball is in Cirrus' corner, since they need to take action to get the plane back. Do they first file a rebuttal of Campbell's motion to dismiss, or do they just go ahead and schedule a hearing?
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Steve Foley
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If it works the same as Mass, they will file a memorandum of law in opposition to the motion to dismiss, and a hearing gets scheduled.
wanttaja
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Looks pretty straightforward, pretty much what I would have expected.
Now, none of the documents is countersigned by someone acting for Cirrus and the signatures of zoom were not witnessed as 'required' by a notary. So, his zoominosity will argue that they are not valid, mean nothing and could have been made up by anyone. Now the fact that Cirrus gave him possession of the plane that all the agreements pertain to on or about Jan 2009 would suggest that the agreement did come into effect, minor errors in form nonwithsthanding.
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Exhibit D is the best.
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Any indication that this might be a premeditated "out" for the Zoomer?'
"Hmm, if I don't get these notarized, I can deny any knowledge if the SHTF..."
You think he plans this far ahead ?
If there was just a piece of paper and a plane hadn't changed hands in the process, I could see the Bart Simpson defense in respect to these documents to work.
To a reasonable person (e.g. a juror), which is more likely:
- he received the plane in a typical owner financed transaction documented by exhibits A-D
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- they just gave him a plane
wanttaja
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Could be, but I wonder whether Cirrus would have let him get away with it. They have to be familiar with how it's done, and seems to be that if there was supposed to be notarization, they would have waited. The people that *do* this stuff do it all the time...why scrimp in this particular case.
The only thing that comes to mind was that if some higher mucky-muck at Cirrus put pressure on to finish the deal.
Ron Wanttaja
Do you think such an error of form will entitle one party to end up with the other parties asset without paying for it ?
It doesn't work like that with mortgages. If you lived in the house and paid the mortgage for five years, you dont get the house for free because it turns out the pages were numbered incorrectly back when you closed on it.
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The Zoomer has hung his figurative hat on a lot weaker stuff in the past. So why not now? Not that it'll work with a jury, but ANN probably has a lot of readers who aren't aware of his antics, and it just might play to them. And to his sychophants.
wanttaja
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Oh, no. But it muddies the water, and gives his legal counsel wiggle room. If Cirrus had possession of the aircraft, it wouldn't matter. But they have to get the judge to order Campbell to hand the airplane over, and the more his lawyers can quibble, the longer things'll take.
Campbell is pretty good at leveraging stuff like this, and will pitch it on ANN to make it sound like a huge injustice. It's like the first time he sued Sun-N-Fun for banning him...screaming long and loud online and in the magazine about his his constitutional rights had been violated. This, of course, after the judge had looked him right in the eye and told him that his constitutional rights had NOT been violated.
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This is going to be decided in a courtroom, not by popular vote on his website. I dont think this is going to be Scopes monkey trial of contract law.
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You're right. I think it is a forgone conclusion that he'll lose the airplane. But his income depends on creating enough plausible deniability so his readers don't all abandon him.
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I just giggled when I saw "Scopes." After having seen "Snopes" so many times on the internet it almost looked like a typo.
wanttaja
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Again, we agree, but in reality the lawsuit can't hurt him.
What's the absolutely worst thing that might happen? He might lose an airplane. If the airplane somehow walked into an axe after Campbell took it away after removing Cirrus' prop lock, he might end up with an additional multi-hundred-thousand judgement against him.
Big whoop. He sloughs off it off nto bankruptcy and starts a new company. He runs the same old advertisements, and sues companies that don't pay up. If all else fails...how much does server space cost, nowadays? He can work a shift as a greeter at Wal-Mart, then go home, log on, and repost another stack of press releases copied from company web pages. Welcome to the new ANN.
What I'd *like* to see happen, as far as the lawsuits, is to give Campbell the least amount of ammunition for claiming "irregular practices" or "shyster lawyer tricks." He'll certainly *claim* them, but even a microencephlatic ANN fan will figure there's something goofy when no details are forthcoming.
What I *love* seeing from these lawsuits is the insight into how Campbell operates. His own filing, containing his own marketing proposal to Cirrus, really highlights how ANN rolls over for major advertisers. If this case lasts long enough to put Campbell into a deposition, we'll probably see more insight. The last time he testified in court, he ticked off a Federal judge. The time before that resulted in a perjury lawsuit. You can bet I'm waiting to see what he'll say on-the-record this time....
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The fact that there is a position for a notary's signature means little here. A notary doesn't make things OFFICIAL. All a notary does is provide the presumption that the signature is authentically the person it purports to be.
Unless Jim is claiming that they forged his signature on this document (which certainly is something he might try I guess), the lack of the notary means nothing.
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It's gotta work better than the truth...
The perverse thing about this is that the more outlandish he gets the more people read ANN, if only to watch the train wreck. I know I look forward to his columns, just to see how his contorted mind works. It's fascinating.
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I won't ever click an ANN link knowingly.
The "Bankruptcy car wash" works to continue the antics of far bigger sociopaths than this guy.
Global Crossing and Iridium from the telco industry come to mind. Waaaay bigger bucks. Way more premeditated.
If the bankruptcy is even bigger and more craptastic, you get AIG and banking bailouts.
Without knowing where the bodies are buried, you don't have a chip at those tables. ANN is small potatoes compared to that stuff.
The "Bankruptcy car wash" works to continue the antics of far bigger sociopaths than this guy.
Global Crossing and Iridium from the telco industry come to mind. Waaaay bigger bucks. Way more premeditated.
If the bankruptcy is even bigger and more craptastic, you get AIG and banking bailouts.
Without knowing where the bodies are buried, you don't have a chip at those tables. ANN is small potatoes compared to that stuff.
wanttaja
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Hard to say. Back in the RAH days, he seemed to go in cycles...rant for a week or two, then seemingly disappear for a bit. I attributed it to magazine publishing schedules back then, but....
It's possible that he got enough negative feedback that he's cautious. I suspect he caught quite a bit of flak from of the terrorism accusations, especially when they came so close to the 9/11 anniversary.
Remember, too, that right now, things are 100% his way. He has possession of the aircraft, and there's nothing on the horizon to make him give it up. He doesn't look that far ahead. I expect that if Cirrus gets a hearing scheduled we might hear from Campbell again, and if the hearing doesn't go his way, we might hear even more.
Suspect that nothing will happen until the new year.
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IMHO, you're making a mistake here: his readers don't give a rat's tail. As long as he posts news regularly, and keeps reporting sensationalist stuff that he acquires, they'll keep reading. The recent jump in Skycatcher prices is a good example: Campbell reported it a week in advance of GA News, two weeks ahead of AVweb (which only got around to it today -- and was linked by Light-Sport Hangar Flying). Him getting de-cirri-fied does absolutely nothing to damage the readership, and thus the income.
BTW, I added Aero-News Network to my reader's feedlist after this scandal broke out at PoA. Perhaps it already worked out pretty well for him.
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Those who have any inkling of how he behaves in real life, don't read. Same reason I tell the hotels to keep their USA Today toilet paper and not to bother sticking it in front of my door in the morning. You have to draw the lines somewhere.
Now if I could just get Bank of America out of my life... those ass-hats bought my mortgage years ago, and I'd love to get rid of seeing checks go to them every month. Can't think of a bigger group of losers to deal with fiscally.
Now if I could just get Bank of America out of my life... those ass-hats bought my mortgage years ago, and I'd love to get rid of seeing checks go to them every month. Can't think of a bigger group of losers to deal with fiscally.
Make sure they give you your 50 cents back. USA Toadie jacks up their circulation numbers by counting all those papers as PAID subscribers. If you read the fine print on your hotel bills (at least at Hilton properties) you'll find that they'll give you back your fiddy cents if you don't want the paper.
I always ask for the local papers to be delivered rather than the toadie. Jay took that advice on the Alexis Park (along with leaving a GANews and Flyer or whatever he could get).
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USA Today is popular, though. We put a stack on our airplane which includes Denver Post, WSJ, NY Times and USA Today. USA Today is almost always the one which had been read at the end of the flight. This is not just with a certain set of passengers either.
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So what is it you don't like about USA Today?The phrase... "If everyone jumped off a bridge..." comes to mind.
Dave Siciliano
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I was going to say something, but Momma warned against saying things that aren't nice
Several adjectives come to mind, accurate, factual and informative to one well read aren't among them.
Best,
Dave
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I do draw the line, but I do it for important reasons. For example, I won't buy a Smith & Wesson product until they repudiate the HUD agreement. But not to read Aero-news just because the editor is psychopath? Please. Quarter of Americans are just as crazy. We only know about his shennagians because 1. they are aviation-related, 2. he has a platform for broadcasting his crazy. Am I supposed to live in cave now?
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I'll would sometimes read USA Today when it was left at my door or on the airplane but I've gotten away from reading the print version of newspapers. USA Today is small to begin with and I don't read the sports or entertainment sections so that doesn't leave very much but it seemed like an OK overview of the news.I was going to say something, but Momma warned against saying things that aren't nice
Several adjectives come to mind, accurate, factual and informative to one well read aren't among them.
USA Today was designed from the start to be a one of the first of a long line of newspapers hoping to snare people who won't take the time to read newspapers. They had(have?) boxes shaped like TV sets for a reason.
They are designed to be news lite.
What USA Today didn't need to be is GA bashing heavy, but maybe they thought they were safe with the airline traveler crowd.
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Is there something wrong with that? There's obviously a big market for it.
Steve Foley
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New entry on the docket:
Steve Foley
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Filed yesterday
This should be good reading. I'm ordering it later this morning. Will post when it arrives.
This should be good reading. I'm ordering it later this morning. Will post when it arrives.
wanttaja
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Steve Foley said:
Out of curiosity, what sort of activity might be expected at this hearing? As the first hearing, is this a meet n' greet, plan future hearings sort of thing, or might the judge be likely to rule on Cirrus' and Campbell's motions?
If I remember correctly, Requests for Admissions are basically to establish the bounds of what the defendant will require the plaintiff to prove in court. So a denial isn't really a claim that the statement is wrong, but is basically saying, "Prove it." Am I right?
Ron Wanttaja
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I suspect it will be oral arguments for the motion to dismiss.
That's correct, but if the defendant won't admit to anything and makes the plaintiff jump through all kinds of hoops to prove things that really shouldn't be taking up court time, the judge may slap the defendant around a little.
So it looks like they can email the documents rather than snail mail. If she can get it processed today, I should have them today, otherwise Monday.