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As if on cue...
LOL. An hour old already! Haha.
LOL. An hour old already! Haha.
Yup. Tapatalk doesn't play well with copy/pasted images. If you were viewing the forum on the iPad web browser, the pics should show up.
I love that the guy recording the video of the Cirrus is just watching it come out of the sky instead of rushing out to provide assistance. It couldn't have been more than a few hundred yards from him.
Yep, usually use Tapatalk with IPad or iPhone. Next time I will try browser if pics don’t work
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I’m leaning toward just plain overshooting final for 17R. But it is also possible he had an expectation bias for 17L since he had flown out and done some kind of a city tour before returning to the pattern at KAPA.
#3.Can I get a post number with an image that does not display in tapatalk? I want to make sure the problem isn't on PoA's side
Can I get a post number with an image that does not display in tapatalk? I want to make sure the problem isn't on PoA's side
Get the big red "X" on Post #1 using Firefox on Windows 7.For me post #1, which was quoted in post 2. But I also can’t see those on a win10 pc in edge.
@schmookeeg. Heh. The links work but your image failed.
Depending on the model year about 500 ft..In any event sounds like the cirrus pilot popped the chute as soon as they heard metal crunching. Which worked in their favor. Low altitude is not the place for indecisiveness.
What’s the lowest AGL you can pop and get full effect??
Depending on the model year about 500 ft..
He didn’t even know he’d been hit, he interpreted the right yaw on final as losing the right engine and declared and landed.
Generally it says 400 AGL but chute pulls have been successful lower. It's not a pull like a skydiver. That chute is rocketed out of the airplane and opens quickly.In any event sounds like the cirrus pilot popped the chute as soon as they heard metal crunching. Which worked in their favor. Low altitude is not the place for indecisiveness.
What’s the lowest AGL you can pop and get full effect??
Found this on one of my FB groups
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Or he can't tell left from right.I’m leaning toward just plain overshooting final for 17R. But it is also possible he had an expectation bias for 17L since he had flown out and done some kind of a city tour before returning to the pattern at KAPA.
Doubt winds played a factor. Here are the preceding and following METARs:
METAR KAPA 121653Z 00000KT 10SM FEW080 FEW140 10/M01 A3027 RMK AO2 SLP249 T01001006=
METAR KAPA 121753Z VRB03KT 10SM FEW050 FEW080 12/M01 A3027 RMK AO2 SLP241 T01221011 10122 20000 57004=
Pretty calm by any standards, and downright dead compared by APA standards where 20G33 is good student solo weather.
It shouldn’t be that hard but we are a creative bunchThe critical moment here seems to be when the Cirrus reported the Keylime in sight. Did he really have him in sight, or was thinking of the Cessna traffic, or did he just spot him on his ADS-B display? I guess this should be relatively easy to resolve since everyone lived.
In any case, this illustrates the hazards of parallel runway operations for visual approaches. Even with radar this can be dicey but APA is a non-radar tower, so that didn't help either.
iamtheari said:I’m leaning toward just plain overshooting final for 17R. But it is also possible he had an expectation bias for 17L since he had flown out and done some kind of a city tour before returning to the pattern at KAPA.
We're all speculating of course, but I doubt it was expectation bias. I'm almost certain that pilot has landed on 17R far more than he has landed on 17L.Or he can't tell left from right.
Yeah but the pilots based there are very used to it. Plus, with one runway substantially shorter than the other, a "normal" flight profile also provides vertical separation. Really, I never even though of it being close when I was almost side by side with another airplane on the parallel there.Centerline distance of runways at Centennial is a scant 700 feet, compared to 2100 feet for the parallels at KLUK, my old home field, 6300' between the two long runways at CVG, with 4K between the "GA runway" and the closest main (yeah, three parallels.)
I've come in alongside jet traffic at LUK, and it looks close enough at 2100 feet. One third of that, I'd consider closing one runway when there is no control tower.
We're all speculating of course, but I doubt it was expectation bias. I'm almost certain that pilot has landed on 17R far more than he has landed on 17L.
If the Flightaware track information is accurate, it was simply a very bad overshoot by a pilot flying the pattern too fast. Like you, I doubt wind was a factor.
perhaps his wife liked a key lime pilot…If you look at the flight track, I don't recall the exact numbers, but the Cirrus was doing like 158kts on downwind, he turned base and his airspeed jumped to 175 or more, I'm trying to figure out how that happened. I'm wondering if there was a crosswind up there, causing him to track faster over the ground after the turn and he didn't notice it because he was looking for traffic. Regardless, he was going too fast, but this may have been SOP for him and he just got bit by the wind. If it's not the wind, then the only other explanation is that he went from a pretty high power setting for the pattern to an even higher one on base. There are some things not making sense here.
That Metro pilot wins a badass award for sure. Incredibly calm even for an engine failure.
Now I am wondering did he secure the right engine and land single engine.??
Centennial is towered 24/7 except during the height of COVID, when it went to reduced NIGHT hours.Centerline distance of runways at Centennial is a scant 700 feet, compared to 2100 feet for the parallels at KLUK, my old home field, 6300' between the two long runways at CVG, with 4K between the "GA runway" and the closest main (yeah, three parallels.)
I've come in alongside jet traffic at LUK, and it looks close enough at 2100 feet. One third of that, I'd consider closing one runway when there is no control tower.