Heftiger
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Wow okay, I actually didn't mean to strike a nerve.. I did about 6 seconds of Googling and meant to include this: https://www.businessinsider.com/federal-taxes-federal-services-difference-by-state-2019-1 in the first post, as I was curious about N1120A's post about getting the monies back.. but posting on here via phone app is a painWhat a jackwagon. Let me think, I lived in "the greatest state in the country" for 33 years. Nevada for 2, Texas for 19.
State pride is a really stupid thing. And it's really great to expound the virtues of a state where you can do drugs and poop in the street.
Run along and talk about your "friends" Cirrus. It's less moronic.
I missed your stupid Tax policy statement earlier. Divide taxes collected by the number of taxpayers. Hmmm.. then for every other state. Prove it's more. (good luck there)
Did they get hurt, or did they get mildly inconvenienced and their mothers went full apache helicopter mode?
And breathing that stagnant Los Angeles air year after year?
The only requirement on the ATC end for fuel dumping is to assign an altitude of at least 2,000 ft AHO and then keep aircraft 5 miles away. Obviously if in an emergency they could be well below that. Saw a MD-80 depart SAN once with an engine failure that immediately landed at Miramar. They were dumping fuel at 700 ft.
No one has found the live atc for it yet? It’s gotta be out there.
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Of all the times I’ve been there, I haven’t noticed any difference, just something I dealt with.Do you realize what incredible improvements in air quality have been made in Los Angeles? Probably not, since you aren't from Los Angeles.
Of all the times I’ve been there, I haven’t noticed any difference, just something I dealt with.
Of all the times I’ve been there, I haven’t noticed any difference, just something I dealt with.
Be nice now... we don’t need to start a whizzing match sir.I guess you can't tell the difference between pollution and an inversion layer.
All those scary regulations that a certain set whine about have made a massive difference in Southern California's air quality in my lifetime.
But I mean.. it's basically "gas" (fine, closer to diesel). Have these people honestly never spilled gas filling the mower, or gotten their hands dirty working on cars or anything? Seems highly sensationalized. Main stream media has moved from "walk, don't run, don't panic" to "FREAK OUT, PANIC!" mode
60 injuries now: https://abc7.com/5849623/ .. and 70 firefighters and paramedics needed to do so
I can understand the concern from people seeing a plane overhead dumping stuff on them
But I mean.. it's basically "gas" (fine, closer to diesel). Have these people honestly never spilled gas filling the mower, or gotten their hands dirty working on cars or anything? Seems highly sensationalized. Main stream media has moved from "walk, don't run, don't panic" to "FREAK OUT, PANIC!" mode
Be nice now... we don’t need to start a whizzing match sir.
I am certain some of it got on me here in the Upper Mid-West... Who do i sue?
Good for them, I’m sure it’s better than it used to be. I apologize that my single comment was offensive to you. Might I suggest wearing a hard hat? Life can be tough at times when associating with others who share differing opinions.It's offensive. The people of my state have done incredible work in cleaning the air and making this the best place on earth to live.
So, you ready to head down to the airport and have someone grab the fuel hose and spray fuel all over you?
Yah... Because atomized fuel falling from the sky is exactly like getting sprayed by a fuel hose...
Thousands of pounds does, and it hasn't atomized at that point.
...and everyone screaming "VICTIM" was doused with "thousands of pounds of fuel"...
Again...
I think it's atomized as it comes out of the airplane. That's why it's a white vapor. Looks pretty cool in live; I've done it (dumped fuel). Pretty sure they would be able to smell it or sense it, but it's not like someone dropped a bucket of liquid fuel on them.Thousands of pounds does, and it hasn't atomized at that point.
Do you realize what incredible improvements in air quality have been made in Los Angeles? Probably not, since you aren't from Los Angeles.
Since when did the MD80, or any narrowbody, have a fuel dump system?
Also, there was no way the aircraft was that high when they did this. They also had no need to dump, just do the over weight landing. They had 13000 feet and a headwind.
VASAviation already did a video
Not sure I've had kerosene itch me just from skin contact. In an open cut, though, and oh man I'll be running for the water.
I wonder how the traffic was with all of the ambulance chasers descending on the school in their BMW 7 (fixed it for ya) series'. Must've been hell.
You think they would have even noticed if they hadn't actually felt an injury? Planes fly over there all the time.
My guess is either it was a pretty serious emergency with no time to avoid dumping fuel at such a low altitude, or maybe someone will have some tough questions to answer.
Hey @Ravioli - Tantalum does lease his friend's Cirrus. Know how I know? I've flown with him. I even have my own oxygen cannula.
There is a big difference between getting an ounce of gas on you and hundreds, if not thousands, of pounds of fuel dumped on you.
You've never had a JP-5 bath (Navy jet fuel). I have (Shut off valve failure or someone else's f-up) and it was sometimes in a location and at a time where it was difficult to remediate.
Jet 1A, JP-4/5 etc... is a big skin irritant. But, it takes having it soak through your clothing and then not immediately treated by removing clothing and washing affected area with soap and water. I suspect the kids were treated pretty quickly. And, I doubt any got soaked.
Do you realize what incredible improvements in air quality have been made in Los Angeles? Probably not, since you aren't from Los Angeles.
And it was much worse yet in the 1950s and 1960s, when I grew up in eastern Los Angeles County, almost on the border of Orange County.In the early 90s the air was orange and smelled of bleach. Vast improvments have been made.
It was a one-mile walk home from my elementary school (yes, kids could do that in those days). I remember wondering, while walking home, why my chest hurt every time I took a deep breath. After I learned to drive I had to pull off to the side of the road more than once because my eyes were stinging so badly in the smog.
Says who? (Sorry, too easy, lol).
I LOVE the smell of jet/kero, burned or raw.
My guess is either it was a pretty serious emergency with no time to avoid dumping fuel at such a low altitude, or maybe someone will have some tough questions to answer.