She doesn't pay squat to stay current.
So who is going to pay for her annual recurrent training ?
Contract pilot life is not all roses and puppydogs.
She doesn't pay squat to stay current.
Not really. It's not all about the airplane. But it takes a long time to realize that.Sorry, a Gulfstream isn't an entry to an aviation career, it's a pinnacle of an aviation career.
So who is going to pay for her annual recurrent training ?
Contract pilot life is not all roses and puppydogs.
The same guy who paid for her type rating
So you paid for your 650hrs worth of avgas and 2 planes with a paper-route ?
My parents paid for it, that's a hell of a lot different than this situation. I'm their son, not some random person.
Now, if my dad decided to buy a Meridian and hired someone with 250TT and a cute face to fly it, that would be similar. My mom wouldn't be too happy though.
My parents paid for it, that's a hell of a lot different than this situation. I'm their son, not some random person.
I obviously don't work at the same place but I didn't see the inside of a business jet until I had 6-7000 hours. So what? People shouldn't worry so much about comparing themselves with others. I still say good for her and others around here who have gotten nice breaks.For those "good for her" people. Say you work for a company that advertises the same mins that I published 50 pages back. You've worked your butt off for years of flying and got hired on with say 2,000 hrs. Couple years later the owner hires a 250 hr attractive (male or female) pilot that's doing the same job and getting paid the same as you. You all can't tell me you wouldn't be at least a little perturbed.
For those "good for her" people. Say you work for a company that advertises the same mins that I published 50 pages back. You've worked your butt off for years of flying and got hired on with say 2,000 hrs. Couple years later the owner hires a 250 hr attractive (male or female) pilot that's doing the same job and getting paid the same as you. You all can't tell me you wouldn't be at least a little perturbed.
On the flip side while I would be pretty pleased if I got hired on a company with 250 hrs, I would at least find it a little strange that I was hired on with about 10 % of the minimum hrs a corporate company requires. I'd walk into a pilots lounge, surrounded by experience and say "man I must be pretty darn good."
As it ties to GG, to not thread creep, If I want eye candy I do like the rest of society and rent it by the hour; not give eye candy the keys to positions of influence and stiocly let the car come off the rails when the S hits the F.
The fact that it seems entirely impossible to half of the posters in this thread for a woman to be both "eye candy" and able to manage a position of influence is, to me, the most depressing thing I have come across lately.
So do you want life to take away every lucky break you got including being born in America? Your thinking justifies third-worlders hating Americans, IMO. Is that what you advocate? A pretty girl got an extra break. Welcome to life. Like I said, she might have a lot more on the ball than just a pretty face. And I mean intelligence, personality, etc. so get y'all's minds out of the gutter
The fact that it seems entirely impossible to half of the posters in this thread for a woman to be both "eye candy" and able to manage a position of influence is, to me, the most depressing thing I have come across lately.
If third world countries hate us because we advocate hard work, fairness and equality, so be it. So your saying hiring based on best qualified isn't the right thing to do?
Well David sure did when he said he can't bone his way to the top but I think we get he is a little, shall we say, upset.
True, but that post had a good point, its why I don't go to Hooters, if I wanted to ogle women as an adult I can go truly ogle and not have to order crummy food as justification.
Regarding hiring, no, I am saying that a private individual has the right to hire whomever he or she pleases and we do not know what led to GG getting the job that she did and it does not matter. That is between her and her employer. Everything else is sour grapes.
Ok, so you were lucky in your choice of parents. You didn't 'pay your dues' just like GG didn't pay hers. You have no right to point fingers.
Dont even remember that it mentioned anywhere that her type rating got paid for by anyone but herself. Lots of money in modeling. Even if someone else paid for it, their money, their decision.
And some of the waitresses at Hooters are good waitresses too. I actually imagine that it's a pretty competitive job to get into - the tips have got to be fantastic. Though you're right, the food is atrocious.
What evidence do we have that she was hired because she was eye candy? Is it impossible for any person to be qualified to fly right seat of a Gulfstream at 250 hours? The FAA apparently doesn't think so.
What depresses me is that a lot of people seem to be saying "it's impossible for her to be qualified, she must have been hired for her looks." That's incredibly demeaning. If she was a guy, this would either be a non-story, or we'd be joking about how he must have a huge whatziz and be boning the owner's wife.
Isn't he taking a job in AK flying for a part 135 company?
Now if GG had parents buy her a type in the Gulfstream, that is a completely different scenario in which I do NOT agree with. No professional pilot should ever pay for training.
He posted earlier that he got cut from that job before even going for initial training.
And again, their money, their decision.
Aside from my folks chipping in for my rent during college, I paid my way through training with computer jobs and a hack-license. Now, I am blessed with a non-aviation job that pays me well and leaves me blocks of free time. If an opportunity came around for me to fly right-seat in someones jet, and all it would take is to write a check for the type-rating, I would do it in a heartbeat. My money, my decision.
what do you suppose most of these peopel think of marissa mayer ?The fact that it seems entirely impossible to half of the posters in this thread for a woman to be both "eye candy" and able to manage a position of influence is, to me, the most depressing thing I have come across lately.
I agree, your money your decision. But in the world of career aviation, that sets a horrible precedent. We have to constantly battle low wages and poor employee treatment because there are people willing to fly for free, or willing to pay for training. Paying for general licensing and certification is fine. But paying for OJT or company specific training is complete garbage. There are a bunch of operators that hire you with the intention of making you pay 20-30k for a type rating. That is so wrong on so many levels.
what do you suppose most of these peopel think of marissa mayer ?
I understand completely what you are saying, but on the other hand, doesn't the market place determine a pilot's value? If there are people willing to pay that much themselves, then that must mean that the value of a pilot is lower than you would like to think?
I get it, it sucks to be priced out of your career by cheaper labor. But isn't that a component of a free market?
I have heard that complaint before. A type-rating at a training center is no different from paying for your SE commercial checkride and the training that leads up to it. You pay for training, you pay for a checkride, you get another set of letters and numbers on your certificate.
If you work as an independent contractor, getting a type-rating paid for by the employer reduces your case for the IC status.
Nobody should pay for company specific indoctrination, I agree with you on that. A type rating is a qualification independent from the company you work for.
A lot of companies pay pilots crap, because there is a sufficient supply of pilots willing to do the job for crap.The market doesn't determine a pilots value in some areas of aviation. A lot of companies pay pilots crap because they know they are a "stepping stone" to a better aviation job.
The market doesn't determine a pilots value in some areas of aviation. A lot of companies pay pilots crap because they know they are a "stepping stone" to a better aviation job. Making pilots pay for type ratings is not free market. Being able to find a company that isn't complete crap, and pays pilots for what they are worth, and pays for training is free market.
Unfortunately, there are those that say they will fly commercial jobs for free to build hours, or will pay their way into a job with a type rating or training. Hell, there are idiots that PAY to sit in the right seat and collect SIC time just to call themselves an airline pilot. It is pure insanity.
I have heard that complaint before. A type-rating at a training center is no different from paying for your SE commercial checkride and the training that leads up to it. You pay for training, you pay for a checkride, you get another set of letters and numbers on your certificate.
If you work as an independent contractor, getting a type-rating paid for by the employer reduces your case for the IC status.
Nobody should pay for company specific indoctrination, I agree with you on that. A type rating is a qualification independent from the company you work for.
what do you suppose most of these peopel think of marissa mayer ?
And the free market is why I don't work as a pilot!
A type rating is not a blanket certification.
A commercial ticket is, and is required to get paid to fly so we have to have it. A company has a specific aircraft, and required training in order to fly it, you shouldn't have to pay for it. That is the absolute bottom line.
A type rating is not a blanket certification. A commercial ticket is, and is required to get paid to fly so we have to have it. A company has a specific aircraft, and required training in order to fly it, you shouldn't have to pay for it. That is the absolute bottom line.
It sure is. It is a certification to fly any aircraft covered under that type-rating, it is not company specific (unless you are talking about a real oddball jet only operated by one company).
And the free market is why I don't work as a pilot!