Cheapest way to build retract time

Nick Geber said:
Comparing to short bodies only. Wingspan of my O3 is 36 ft 1 inch. Short bodies are 35
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No, some mid bodies are the same. The fiberglass tips came sometime on the J.

But Fs and Gs did not have them, and are mid body Mooneys
 
Pinecone said:
No, some mid bodies are the same. The fiberglass tips came sometime on the J.

But Fs and Gs did not have them, and are mid body Mooneys
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Yes, they are - maybe I should have said "modern Mooneys J's and Up" instead of mid bodied
 
Off the top of my head, I suspect they were introduced with the M20K 231. I know the the first Js did not have them
 
Tools said:
Can a motor glider (folding prop) be complex? I guess it could easily be TAA…. Hmmm….

Haven’t read all the posts in this thread yet, but did anyone mention the planes with a gear handle, checklists that support them, but fixed gear? Best I can tell they count for retract time. But maybe not for insurance?

I have 10,000 retract in jets… and TEN in light civil planes. I can get insured in about anything. Honestly, they scare me to death! In terms of just screwing up…. Having cut my teeth on a Piet that doesn’t have electrical or mixture, took me a while to even get used to a mixture knob…

My first “solo” in a turboprop jump plane I tried to taxi with the prop feathered! Thought my brakes were stuck…. EMBARRASSING!
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FAR 61.1 provides the definition of a complex airplane. It says nothing about about other aircraft, so NO there is no such thing as complex glider time for a FAR stand point. From a practical standpoint almost every Motor glider should be categorized as complex, perhaps except some of the newer electric models. While many may not have flap most have some sort of controllable propellor or engine storage controls. Just the decision making on when to start a shutdown engine and the change in flight characteristic as then engine/propeller are being extended along with procedures for if it doesn't start should qualify most motor glider as a complex aircraft in my opinion.

TAA applies only to Airplane as well.

It is interesting that the more experience you get the more "Scare me to death" things there are as you realize it could happen to us and we could be the ones that screw it up.

Brian
CFIIG/ASEL
 
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StraightnLevel said:
When was the last time you tried to find auto fuel without ethanol?
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Every time I fill my car. And I have a very high success rate. There is only one station in my county that I know of where the 91 octane gas has ethanol. Of course, gasoline blending is probably one of the most regionally varied things in America. It’s a little bizarre to think that you can get an identical cheeseburger or can of Coke or beer anywhere in the country but automotive engines have to be designed to run on wildly inconsistent fuels.
 
Sierra_Hotel said:

Pure-gas.org - ethanol-free gasoline in the U.S. and Canada

Pure-gas.org is the definitive web site listing stations that sell pure gasoline in the U.S. and Canada.
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It's really not that difficult for many.
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That depends on where you live. Try finding it at any reasonable distance from KLVJ, for example. The only option anywhere near KETB is from a home goods store - low octane lawnmower fuel.

I have more 100LL options (4) within 25 miles of my airport than ethanol free gas pumps (0).
 
StraightnLevel said:
When was the last time you tried to find auto fuel without ethanol?
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pretty much every gas station in the Midwest has non ethanol, many with 2 choices of non ethanol, 87 or 91 like my local station………
 
StraightnLevel said:
That depends on where you live. Try finding it at any reasonable distance from KLVJ, for example. The only option anywhere near KETB is from a home goods store - low octane lawnmower fuel.
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I buy my tractor parts in West Bend, and used to take my son there for swimming lessons, so I'm not far away from KETB - I buy ethanol free mogas at KHXF. They actually do have an ethanol free at the Farm & Fleet in West Bend, but it shares a hose with other grades containing ethanol, so unless you pump the first gallon or two into something else, you might still be getting some ethanol.
StraightnLevel said:
I have more 100LL options (4) within 25 miles of my airport than ethanol free gas pumps (0).
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:eek:
Garee said:
pretty much every gas station in the Midwest has non ethanol, many with 2 choices of non ethanol, 87 or 91 like my local station………
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Not really. In the greater Chicago-Milwaukee zone of influence, everyone's got ethanol.

The other thing to consider is what I mentioned above, where stations have multiple grades going out a single hose. Unfortunately, that setup seems to be getting more and more popular, which makes it more difficult to get truly ethanol free gas.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
I buy my tractor parts in West Bend, and used to take my son there for swimming lessons, so I'm not far away from KETB - I buy ethanol free mogas at KHXF. They actually do have an ethanol free at the Farm & Fleet in West Bend, but it shares a hose with other grades containing ethanol, so unless you pump the first gallon or two into something else, you might still be getting some ethanol.
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My farm is near that Fleet Farm location. The ethanol free pump is low octane (87, IIRC), so it's good for lawnmower/tractor use, but not in my car. I'm not sure that I'd put 87 into a plane, but opinions vary.

It's on the far side of town from KETB....
 
FoundSoul said:
Most gas stations around me have non-ethanol fuel. I do live on a lake though, not sure if you're close to a body of water used for recreation but if so, there's probably some REC90 (non ethanol) there.

Check this thing out for getting it to your plane! https://smartassproducts.net/products/smart-ass-fuel-mule-aviation-edition

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At $5,245, how many gallons do you have to put through it before it finally pays for itself? I just fly to where the gas I want is and it costs a lot less than that.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
At $5,245, how many gallons do you have to put through it before it finally pays for itself? I just fly to where the gas I want is and it costs a lot less than that.
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I use it for the lake, and have the normal version without the aviation additions, so it's ~$4500. I save more than $5000 every year though fueling my boat with it (marina gas is like $2-$2.50/gal more than street gas for my boat. And I'm not sure how much time I save, but a lot....
 
Here’s a great option….but it’s been sold.
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StraightnLevel said:
Here’s a great option….but it’s been sold.
bids.airspaceauctions.com

1958 Bonanza J35 // Complete logs! // N7274B

Auction Terms:By placing a bid, you are agreeing to the terms: you are both willing and able topay the bid amount, plus buyers premium, taxes and transfer costs. Before placing any bid; make sure you have read and understand the terms in your bidder contract, which you have agreed to. Have all...
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Thanks, but I’m filling registration Saturday and will announce then on my first ever plane


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No ****, KLBX in Angleton is home for me, though it's been a couple of decades since I've flown there :lol:
 
Barrett50 said:
So, what do you think we're doing now? Just gonna write the check and fly it away? There's a specialist from ABS on the way to that plane as we speak.

Sheesh, you certainly have a low opinion of me, and we haven't but barely communicated. Maybe just step off and let me do what I do?
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Haven’t looked at this thread in a long time. Sorry.

I did not mean that post as a lecture, rather as a friendly warning. Since I don’t know you, your experience or much of anything else about you, I just wanted you to know that. I’ve seen a number of people over the years make vehicle purchases based on color, cosmetic condition and other things while overlooking the condition. No insult was intended. Only trying to help in my own way.

A thorough prebuy is no guarantee either. There are things that can hide and rear their ugly head later. I’ve been on the receiving end of that when there was absolutely no bad intent by the extremely reputable seller.

Hope it all works out for you. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
 
StraightnLevel said:
When was the last time you tried to find auto fuel without ethanol?
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I’ve never seen Mogas at an airport, but then again I’ve never been watching for it. Off airport though, it’s usually not difficult to find if you ask around.

When ethanol supplemented gasoline first came out, it caused many problems in cars due to fuel system component materials being attacked by it. There are still some materials in small outdoor equipment engines that don’t like it. For this reason many people seek it out for boats and outdoor equipment. I know people that are almost religious about it. I run ethanol gas in everything from chainsaws, four wheelers, mowers and my outboard motor, although the outboard is fuel injected. Electronic fuel injection seems to like it because the fuel stays sealed up, disallowing exposure to moisture in the air.

Anyway, back to Mogas for an airplane. I looked into it back when all I had was the Cessna. The STC didn’t cost much, but purchasing the fuel off airport, transporting it, storing it and keeping it debris and moisture free was going to be a hassle, so I have kept pumping in the 100LL. In my case. That’s easy because at my airport they sell 100 LL out of the truck for the self serve price.
 
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