EdFred
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If it's training, then by definition you have a CFII with you. And that CFII can double as the safety pilot. IFR gets cancelled, and you've cleared up the airspace.
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If it's training, then by definition you have a CFII with you. And that CFII can double as the safety pilot. IFR gets cancelled, and you've cleared up the airspace.
EdFred
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But the whole point is to fly the approach. What's the point of canceling? I still need the space to practice flying the approach. I guess your point is to fly it anyway, and just let my CFII tell me to turn only if I need to avoid traffic.
EdFred
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Separation issues.
There's an approach into my airport where it's 18+ miles from the (an) IAF to the FAF, and then another 12+ from the FAF to the runway. If I cancel once out of IMC, ATC can clear the guy behind me in. You can still follow the needles, but the airspace is now freed up to be used by the next guy.
Makes sense. I was really focused on my own limited experience with a pretty small approach-- just 6 nm from the FAF to the runway.
I guess it depends on the situation. On an approach like that, if it was good day VFR under the ceiling, and there were good forced landing options along the approach course, I could see cancelling, especially if I knew there was someone waiting to begin the approach. The ILS to Salinas (SNS) would be another example.
bflynn
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FTFY. He could have legally taken off and might have even been instructed to do so now that the airspace was cleared. That wouldn't have changed the fact that you were still there and a factor to his flight.
It's an easy thing - you break out, you know it's clear all around, you can execute a VFR go around...then you can cancel. Until then you still need the system.
You do realize I'm the guy that landed at Gaston's when it was pitch black.
I'm not sure that's something to be bragged about.
azure
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So because you did something seriously crazy and lived to tell about it, other people should sacrifice safety for someone else's convenience?You do realize I'm the guy that landed at Gaston's when it was pitch black.
azure
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True -- IF they calm down.
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So because you did something seriously crazy and lived to tell about it, other people should sacrifice safety for someone else's convenience?
I'm an average pilot. If I can do it, anyone should be able to do it. I don,t ask anyone to do anything I'm not capable of. And it's not seriously crazy - and there was never a safety issue. There's these things called landing lights on the plane - although in the Cherokee it was singular. I'd do it again 1000 times over. Anyone who calls themselves a pilot should be able to do the same thing. If you can't, or feel uncomfortable, a self analysis - or outside analysis of your skills is in order.
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If one isn't comfortable with it, one needs remedial training until one does become comfortable with it.
True -- IF they calm down.
Oops - all my IFR experience in is the west!
It's so easy to spend other people's money!
Sometimes, when people aren't comfortable doing something, it's because it REALY IS less safe. I don't consider it my place to tell other pilots that they are being too conservative in their safety-related decisions. I'm not there in the cockpit with them, can't tell what conditions they're seeing, how long they've been airborne, what their fatigue level is, what their experience level is, whether they're flying single-pilot, or whether they have an autopilot that is capable of coupled approaches.
EdFred
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I spend my own money before telling anyone else to spend theirs. And if they are being (way) too conservative for the average pilot, they probably shouldn't be flying in the system. It's not my fault people accept being sucky pilots.
Do you think you're representative of the average pilot?
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EdFred
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Yes, I'm firmly in the middle of the bell curve.
EdFred
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You work for the press don't you?
This just in: Flight plans prevent accidents!
Thinking, it helps to do it before you post.
Flight plans speed up search and rescue response.
Do you think the average pilot is qualified to judge the qualifications of other pilots, especially ones he has never flown with?
EdFred
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That I will agree with. But the guy behind you will see the flaming ball of mediocrity and plumes of suckage, and can call it in. Which is probably quicker than the 30 minute wait and see time.
EdFred
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I believe they are qualified to judge what an average pilot should be capable of, and anyone that isn't capable of that is below average. It's a pretty easy measuring stick.
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This idea that any pilot who would make ONE safety-related decision more conservatively than you would is in need of remedial training is nuts. Just nuts.
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This just in:
If you want them took look for you it might help if they know you're missing.
EdFred
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Fun fact: Cancelling IFR does not automatically equal radar services terminated. For a 20+ year pro your knowledge gaps seem pretty big.
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No, being released to CTAF automatically equals radar services terminated.
EdFred
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Where did I say it didn't?
azure
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I don't know about the landing light in the Cherokee you were flying, but I know that mine (LED, no less) don't shine enough light far enough ahead to avoid trees even at stall speed. So yes, I would consider it seriously crazy to attempt that final approach in my plane. YMMV.
Now maybe you did something else like chop 'n' drop from over the trees that under the circumstances (strong headwind?) was safe. And I've never been to Gaston's personally. But having seen videos of that final approach between the trees, it's something I would attempt in daylight only. And I'm happy to submit my skills to the analysis of a CFI - I do so a good deal more often than every two years, whenever possible, thank you very much.
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It was implicit.
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What if there are no flames due to fuel starvation? There have also been instances where they are down an embankment somewhere, or perhaps lost an engine while on a go around? They very well may not be in plain sight.
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Who said it did? It also doesn't mean there will be radar coverage, especially at smaller out of the way airports.
Ask one of your students... They can probably brief you on that.
EdFred
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I never implied anything. I can't help that you have incorrect assumptions.
EdFred
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Then I guess we should outlaw VFR, You know. For the children.
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You are the only child here.
EdFred
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I wonder if anyone else picked up the irony of what I'm quoting.
