Angie forgot her paperwork

Yep! It was quite the topic on the aviation boards when she got her license.

I wonder how many other people got caught by the registration rule changes.
 
"Jolie's plane, a $360,000 Cirrus SR-22, is said to be one of the world's fastest single-engine aircraft."

(Isn't an F16 a single engine aircraft?)
 
At least they got she is a pilot right. I would safety pilot for her any day.
 
RussR said:
Yep! It was quite the topic on the aviation boards when she got her license.

I wonder how many other people got caught by the registration rule changes.
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One of my students did, despite reminding him a few times. :mad2:
 
dukeblue219 said:
"Angelina Jolie Banned From Flying Personal Plane by FAA"

Talk about a sensationalist headline!
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No kidding. Of course I doubt she is doing much flying right now anyway. With her cancer, she probably hasn't gotten her medical renewed.
 
Sac Arrow said:
"Jolie's plane, a $360,000 Cirrus SR-22, is said to be one of the world's fastest single-engine aircraft."

(Isn't an F16 a single engine aircraft?)
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Yes....also "one" of the world's fastest single-engine aircraft. :)
 
dukeblue219 said:
I don't believe she's ever had cancer?
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Double checked. You are correct. She had a preventative double mastectomy after genetic testing showed her at increased risk. My appologies.
 
I knew she was a pilot. Yeah - I'd waste a Viagra on her, but she's gotta brush her teeth and take a shower first to get the smoke-stink off.

I got a nasty-gram from the FAA about not renewing too. I sent in the reg, and the letter, and sent another letter, and then another letter, but never heard back. I checked the FAA database and the N number showed current and ok, so I just left things alone.
 
bluee said:
He does have a PPL, but it looks like his medical expired. His first name is William. It looks like Angelina's medical is also expired.
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oh ok. It said that he was taking flying lessons. I guess it was specifically for that plane.
 
Sac Arrow said:
"Jolie's plane, a $360,000 Cirrus SR-22, is said to be one of the world's fastest single-engine aircraft."

(Isn't an F16 a single engine aircraft?)
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I think they meant certified single-engine piston with non-retractable gear.
 
This would be like saying I'm banned from riding my motorcycle because I let the registration and insurance lapse.

Of course, it's sitting in the garage under a cover.
 
RussR said:
I wonder how many other people got caught by the registration rule changes.
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I'd bet that there are a lot more than people think. The question is, is the registration or lack thereof stopping the people from flying their planes? I can think of a few off the top of my head that I know are expired, it hasn't seemed to bother the owners at all.
 
I know there are folks who got famous for doing nothing, now they report on famous people doing nothing?

A while back I recall an article entitled "Katie Couric is OK" I clicked on it, thinking she had been attacked by komodo dragons or something. Nope. Just an article saying she's feeling "OK".
 
The curious thing to me, is... how did it happen? Us ordinary folks might miss a piece or two of mail, forget to send it in, etc. But I doubt she "manages" the aircraft herself; I doubt she tracks the annual, recertifications, etc. She's gotta have somebody doing that for her.

It's her responsibility, as the PIC, of course, so I don't fault the FAA's action. But I suspect she has little involvement in the paperwork related to ownership.

It's like when the Boeing 377 ran out of gas and ditched in Puget Sound a few years back... certainly the pilot took the main hit, but there were failures by others which set him up.

Ron Wanttaja
 
Ron, I believe the defense you are looking for is "affluenza".

Affluenza: Verb. 1)To be wealthy. 2)To achieve wealth and fame and not be bothered by the same minutia as the proletariat. ;)
 
docmirror said:
Ron, I believe the defense you are looking for is "affluenza".

Affluenza: Verb. 1)To be wealthy. 2)To achieve wealth and fame and not be bothered by the same minutia as the proletariat. ;)
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Is it contagious? How close do I need to get to come down with it? Can I get it without the fame part?
 
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According to the story, Jolie's registration renewal arrived at the FAA's offices too late for them to figure a way of renewing the registration on her not cheap airplane. This is another example of mindless bureaucratism, follow the rules to the letter, no matter what.

It takes little imagination to concur that this has probably happened to hundreds, even thousands of other aircraft in the GA fleet. I am guessing that in order to once again make their aircraft airworthy will not be an inexpensive procedure.

I am still of the belief that there is a concerted effort taking place to rid our sky's of small airplanes in order to make room for the thousands of drones that will soon be filling our airspace at all flight levels, in order to keep us safe by micro monitoring us.

As a free nation they do not want to simply outlaw the private ownership of aircraft, so instead, they are red taping it out of existence by making it too cumbersome and expensive for the average person to fly or own aircraft.

-John
 
I doan know John, I'm as good a conspiracy guy as the next but this isn't much different than the state registration of cars, motorbikes, and boats. In fact, since there's no cost(yet), I don't see it as an over pernicious burden.

But - yes, they could be a little less anal retentive.
 
How much will it cost her to make her airplane once again airworthy, what will she have to do, or what will the process be, anyone know?

-John
 
docmirror said:
Ron, I believe the defense you are looking for is "affluenza".

Affluenza: Verb. 1)To be wealthy. 2)To achieve wealth and fame and not be bothered by the same minutia as the proletariat. ;)
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Don't doubt the diagnosis, overall, but not sure how it applies in this particular case.

Assume the airplane was owned by a charter operation, and she was one of the pilots. She still has responsibilty for the paperwork being right.

But in this case, there's nothing in the *existing* paperwork that indicates a problem. There's a registration card without an expiration date in the airplane. With all the available documentation, the airplane was apparently legal to fly.

Compliance with the law depended on receiving the FAA notification, which, like a charter outfit, probably went to someone *else*, not the pilot.

That's why I make the analogy with the Bayliner case. The pilot didn't have fuel gauges, and he was not legally qualified to operate the actual fuel gauges (he didn't have a Flight Engineer's rating for the Boeing 307). He got assurance from someone who *was* qualified that the airplane had enough gas. Yet, as PIC on a Part 91 flight, it was his responsibility.

Again, I don't argue that it wasn't "a fair cop." Just think this probably a failure of a staff member, not the woman herself.

Ron Wanttaja
 
PPC1052 said:
No kidding. Of course I doubt she is doing much flying right now anyway. With her cancer, she probably hasn't gotten her medical renewed.
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Her FAA medical shows up as lapsed. Her FAA license is based on a CAA license, so as I understand the rules she would be flying on a CAA medical.

Date of Issue: 9/11/2006
Certificate: PRIVATE PILOT (FOREIGN BASED) Print
Ratings:
PRIVATE PILOT (Foreign Based)
AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND
INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE

Limits:
INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE U.S. TEST PASSED.
ISSUED ON BASIS OF AND VALID ONLY WHEN ACCOMPANIED BY UNITED KINGDOM PILOT LICENSE NUMBER(S) UK/PP433873A/A.
ALL LIMITATIONS AND RESTRICTIONS ON THE UNITED KINGDOM PILOT LICENSE APPLY.
 
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John Baker said:
How much will it cost her to make her airplane once again airworthy, what will she have to do, or what will the process be, anyone know?

-John
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Send them $5 and wait. I haven't had to be in the middle of the lapsed registration process yet but I know people who have done it. The biggest thing to remember is that the FAA handles things at their own pace and you are not to fly the airplane on a lapsed registration. To the best of my knowledge they aren't sending out extensions like they will when you have an error on an initial registration application.

The biggest issue is the down time you will have while waiting. It would be a good time to do an annual or some improvements to the plane because you have plenty of time.
 
mondtster said:
Send them $5 and wait. I haven't had to be in the middle of the lapsed registration process yet but I know people who have done it.
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Over 72,000 airplanes were deregistered since October 2010, when the program started. Probably a few folks trying to get their airplanes re-registered.

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Ron Wanttaja
 
Silly question: To bring a (let's say) 1940 Piper Cub into LSA territory does it have to be de-registered from a Standard AW certificate and re-regictered as an LSA?

The next semester of A&P skool will include this stuff but I don't want to wait that long for the answer...:D


Chris
 
wanttaja said:
Over 72,000 airplanes were deregistered since October 2010, when the program started. Probably a few folks trying to get their airplanes re-registered.

Ron Wanttaja
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Yeah, they're backed up. I just talked to one of the owners who had his registration lapse this morning and he made it sound like the FAA is still working on applications submitted in September. I'd guess he has a few more months to wait before they get to his application (I think he submitted it in October or November), I should talk to him about doing his annual now while the plane is down anyway.
 
Hiperbiper said:
Silly question: To bring a (let's say) 1940 Piper Cub into LSA territory does it have to be de-registered from a Standard AW certificate and re-regictered as an LSA?
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Sorry, can't be done. Can't register an LSA if it has ever been licensed in any other category.

Ron Wanttaja
 
Man, when my re-reg date came up, I went on line, paid the de minimis fee ($5.00?), had it in the mail in a few days. It was, from all appearances, an automated process.
 
SCCutler said:
Man, when my re-reg date came up, I went on line, paid the de minimis fee ($5.00?), had it in the mail in a few days. It was, from all appearances, an automated process.
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If you apply in the electronic renewal window yes.

If you apply on paper if you miss the window takes about a month and a half (longer with the government shutdown).
 
flyingron said:
If you apply in the electronic renewal window yes.

If you apply on paper if you miss the window takes about a month and a half (longer with the government shutdown).
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Ah. Makes sense.
 
wanttaja said:
Over 72,000 airplanes were deregistered since October 2010, when the program started. Probably a few folks trying to get their airplanes re-registered. Ron Wanttaja
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Back to bureaucratism, 72,000 airplanes have been removed from the sky due to a needless information gathering requirement. It has also cost our bureaucrats $360,000.00 in uncollected "fees". $5.00 does not sound like much, but when you apply it to every aircraft in the GA fleet, it is serious money, almost enough to pay for the annual FAA executive's Christmas party...er meeting. I think their "meetings" run into the millions of dolars if I remember right.

Then look at what was lost in fuel sales for all of those grounded birds, along with all of the money lost to the other support services. Granted, most were probably derelicts that will never fly again anyway, but right now, in the aviation industry, every penny is precious to someone, even the tie down fees for a flat tired wreck.

I think "fee" is the new way around raising taxes to support our numerous bureaucracies, I just paid my water bill, $152.00 (that is for 60 days use) only $35.00 was my cost of water, the rest was all a bunch of assorted "fees". In San Diego, water bills are paid to the city's general fund, in other words, it is a tax.

-John
 
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