Toronto - Delta Airlines CRJ-900 upside down, Flight 4819 from Minneapolis-Saint Paul International Airport (MSP) to Toronto

DavidWhite said:
Sounds like the FO was a low-time relatively new hire. I have a feeling there may be some crow eating in the near future for some on this forum.

edit: Pilot flying was typed 1/5/25, fresh out of UND as a CFI.
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Sounds like the PIC should have exercised discretion and taken that leg based on the winds.
 
Wheels said:
Found this online

“Juan Browne started his flying career as a teenager. He bought his first airplane when he was 15 years old, and has bought and sold dozens of airplanes since.

He earned his A&P license right after graduating high school, then attended college on a ROTC scholarship. After graduation, he was commissioned in the Air Force and attended Undergraduate Pilot Training (UPT) at Williams Air Force Base.

After UPT, Juan became a T-37 Instructor Pilot at Mather Air Force Base. His next assignment was flying the C-141, and he quickly rose to Aircraft Commander, flying all over the world, nonstop using air refueling.

He next flew C-130 aircraft with the Reno Air National Guard, and finally secured a job as an airline pilot.”

I believe he currently flies the 777 for American.

Is that as good as Gryder?
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I mean, that's impressive and all, but what has he crashed? I mean, Gryder's got way more experience there...
 
Dave Theisen said:
Sounds like the PIC should have exercised discretion and taken that leg based on the winds.
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I heard the gal flying was a brand new FO and CA flowed up and was sent back due to issues.
#RumorMillInformationFromSourcesIGenerallyAmSkepticalAboutButAreOftenRightAndSometimesJumpToConclusions
 
The general public is going to find it interesting that the CA was rejected for employment by Delta for not meeting their standards, only to be sent back to wholly owned subsidiary of Delta to fly Delta's customers on smaller plane owned by Delta.
 
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Lindberg said:
If you want to read some more stupid stuff about this accident, here you go:


This may be informative for those of you who didn't realize that seat belts are intended to keep passengers in their seats, and the flight crew had not previously landed an airplane upside down.
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Not just the flight crew, but the flight attendants specifically.

The two flight attendants on this flight had never landed a plane upside down, said Sara Nelson, international president of the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA.

This is an astounding revelation.
 
that's an ATL based CRJ. I worked on that jet many times. sucks that it's gone. we still have 320 sitting here waiting for a new a** end
 
3393RP said:
Not just the flight crew, but the flight attendants specifically.

The two flight attendants on this flight had never landed a plane upside down, said Sara Nelson, international president of the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA.

This is an astounding revelation.
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Well, that settles it! There was obviously a regrettable lack of training in this important area!
 
Just gave a brand new Air Force pilot candidate wind shear on a bright sunny day in a non motion simulator.

She knew something wasn’t right a did a go around, even touching down in the process… Even if it was wind shear, wasn’t handled right. You’re taught to keep pulling if ground contact is a factor REGARDLESS of your airspeed. At least that’s what I’ve seen at five airlines, including delta.
 
Dave Theisen said:
Sounds like the PIC should have exercised discretion and taken that leg based on the winds.
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That was my thought too.

Can't speak for Endeavor, but at my shop first officers with less than 100 hours in type have a 15 knot crosswind limitation and cannot takeoff or land when windshear is reported in the vicinity (unless with a check airman, of course).
 
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Brad Z said:
Has anyone wondered why a presumably first officer or co pilot, holding short on the departing runway, who's most certainly had a front row view of perhaps hundreds, maybe thousands of CRJs landing, decided to pull his phone out and record this one? How bad were the conditions and what did things look like on the approach?
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The released ATC transmission shows the last radio call from the CRJ was, "Hey, y'all. Watch this!"
 
DavidWhite said:
First ever R-ATP crash. Your crow may be consumed at a time convenient to you.
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are we sure he just passed his atp ride? i had my r-atp for years and didn't get it removed until I left for bigger and better 1000s of 121 hours later. just curious.
 
dmspilot said:
The general public is going to find it interesting that the CA was rejected for employment by Delta for not meeting their standards, only to be sent back to wholly owned subsidiary of Delta to fly Delta's customers on smaller plane owned by Delta.
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And a certain bunch of people will say, "That's not a Delta flight," and the rest of us will roll our eyes.
 
Being a DEI hire and your ability aren’t related, kind of like just because you’re paranoid blah blah blah.

Take advantage of every break you can get. No real pilot is gonna fault you IF you don’t let that slot go to waste. As soon as DEI means hire old grey hair guys, I’m diving on that band wagon!

Side note: anyone offering helo training to old gray hair guys who REALLY look like they know what they’re doing? Anyone? Askin for a friend…

You seem to have the right attitude, humility, willingness to learn. You just be you and don’t worry about the rest. Do like you’re doing and try to learn from this stuff best you can. Never lose your love to fly.
 
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Roller said:
Bare bones pilot and this was his first type too

This is typically for the regionals however
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It’s more than likely going to be his last type also.
I’d say his time flying at the airlines is finished.

On any given day, at any given Part 121 outfit, you could have a Captain with just over 100 hours in type paired off with a brand new F/O just off of IOE.
It’s not just a “regional thing”
 
Princesspilot206 said:
Sterile rules should apply to every flight.
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Because, it's proven unsafe? I'm not sure I totally agree. Every CFI has flown with an unsterile cockpit many times I guarantee you. There's no way around it with newbies.

Not to mention I'm actually happy that that video was shot. Makes the NTSB's job easier.
 
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172andyou said:
But has he ever owned a DC3 and threatened to run over cops with it? That's the kind of thing you can't get out of just book learning.
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While we are talking about stuff that never happened ha ha

Hugh Despenser said:
It’s more than likely going to be his last type also.
I’d say his time flying at the airlines is finished.

On any given day, at any given Part 121 outfit, you could have a Captain with just over 100 hours in type paired off with a brand new F/O just off of IOE.
It’s not just a “regional thing”
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Depends, where I am at we don’t really have CAs with low time in type, but we are flying wide bodies

Regionals have always been interesting like that
 
Lindberg said:
And a certain bunch of people will say, "That's not a Delta flight," and the rest of us will roll our eyes.
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In the context of the media or general public, I agree. But for anyone trying to get a deeper understanding of what happened it sometimes helps to make the distinction. There may be differences in the manuals that are relevant to the discussion. I pointed out that I wasn't Endeavor when stating my company's rules about low mins FOs. I'd expect a Delta pilot to do the same.
 
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