Executive orders & MOSAIC

Employees that self manage perform higher when working from home. Those that do not have that mindset get little done when WFH and suck the productivity out of others, especially their managers.

I'm sure federal employees spread across both those groups, but I have my suspicions which group the vast majority of them fall into.
 
I just wrote to the new Transportation Secretary asking him to pass MOSAIC asap and/or scrap the 3rd class medical for PPL (even LESS regulation).
Good luck on that. I've had a very serious petition for rulemaking in play since last October now and the FAA has sat on it. Didn't even give the courtesy of a "screw you" response like they did to one of my previous ones. (The rule points out an error in the medical requirements that lets sport pilots fly non-LSA aircraft without a medical.
 
As a 100% remote worker for twenty years, from 2004 until I retired the middle of last year, I feel qualified to comment on remote work.

When I started, the large regional bank I worked for had two or maybe three "telecommuters", as we were then known. The systems existed for me to work remotely simply because people doing my job (IT admin/engineering) needed to be able to do so remotely since we ran 24/7. When I finally stoped working full time, the much smaller, UK-based international bank I worked for was nearly 100% remote. Most of us didn't have an office to go to even if we'd have wanted to. In between, I saw things go from, "Telecommuter? What's that mean?", to, "Oh, nice, wish I could work from home", to remote work being the norm.

At first it seemed like I had a lot of sack time. Even my wife was worried that I'd get canned because it seemed like half the time I wasn't working. I realized that slack time was what would have, had I been in an office, still been "slack time" taken up by breaks, lunch, drop-in conversations with coworkers, and the dozens of other little distractions of daily office life. I think I worked as much, or more, at home as I would have in an office.

On the plus side, yes, quality of life was generally better. I got up anywhere from 5 to 30 minutes before I needed to be working, not 2 hours. I spent a lot less time driving and a lot less on gas and clothes. When in a meeting, I can wander around the house, get coffee, and so on without missing anything or disrupting the meeting. If I felt like it or needed to, working flexible hours was easy. I had a lot of 18, 24, and even a couple of 36 hour or longer incidents where I was working nonstop, but still had access to food, coffee, etc. instead of being trapped in the office. So that was nice. The down side was learning to not let the job take over every waking hour.

On the other hand... no face to face interaction with ANYONE at work eventually got really old. I'd have killed for the opportunity to go in to the office a couple days a week just to get the hell out of the house. I worked with people -- hell, people I hired worked for me -- that I never did actually meet in person. There was a certain amount of "out of sight, out of mind" with some managers. And as budgets got tighter (I worked for banks before and after 2008) training and career advancement opportunities fell by the wayside, in part I think because middle and senior management could see us on an org chart, but I don't think they actually had the visual impact of walking through an office and seeing the people there. Certainly they weren't getting people dropping by their office or seeing them in the hallway or cafeteria. That lack of spontaneous, face-to-face interaction with team members and colleagues also, I think, somewhat reduced the free exchange of ideas and experience that greatly benefits the company (and workers) in so many ways. I think retention suffered as well, since there were far fewer real personal connections with people you'd only heard on the phone and (later) seen on your computer screen.

My personal take on this, and it may be somewhat unpopular, is that yes, remote work is easier on the worker. It may not be best for either the worker or the organization in the long run. I have long held the opinion that a more effective model would be working in an office alongside peers and colleagues, but having the flexibility to work remotely when needed.

As for MOSAIC, I too hope that the process doesn't get held up for too long by new policies. If it becomes collateral damage in an attempt at reining in some Federal regulatory agencies, we may just have to live with it.
I think that's a very sound and well reasoned view of it.
I've only had the pleasure of working from home for a couple of months during Covid. That experience really opened my eyes to the approx 15 hours a week I waste going to the office...really more than that...but 15 hours getting ready for work, commuting, wasting an hour for lunch, commuting again, then showering and changing for home... 15 hours is a lot of time not producing anything for the company and not doing what I want to do or being where I want to be. It's a serious burden. And it's more than that, when it's slow at work (like this moment), I'm stuck at my desk...but at home I could be on-call but unloading the dishwasher or pulling weeds in the flower bed....
As it is, my job is pretty much 100% computer. Zero reason I couldn't do it from anywhere with internet connection. I email my boss who is just across the hall. Idiotic to require me to be here.
When I was working form home I found that I actually interacted with my coworkers more by phone than we do face-to-face!

all that said, I think DaleB points out some things that truly are lost in a job like mine when working remote.
Having REAL flexibility to work remotely when it makes sense and as often as it makes sense, is probably a very good compromise. I know I'd be a lot happier if I could bug out for a month in the summer when the kids are out of school and do a blended work/vacation trip to Australia or any other place, etc...

I notice that you never mentioned an INCREASE in productivity. I have yet to see a gov't agency that has the technology to allow MORE productively from home.
When I was working from home I made real effort to NOT work more than I do in the office. Sometimes I failed, just because I knew that there was something to be done, the computer is right there, so why not start a little early and get it done?
I've learned a long time ago the hard way when I used to travel for work that it's very easy to overwork yourself....and "the company" rarely appreciates it when you do.
 
Life is full of tough decisions, isn’t it?
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Employees that self manage perform higher when working from home. Those that do not have that mindset get little done when WFH and suck the productivity out of others, especially their managers.

I'm sure federal employees spread across both those groups, but I have my suspicions which group the vast majority of them fall into.
My old boss worked 24 hours, 6 days a week. Almost literally. I don't know when the guy slept. Totally anti-WFH before COVID. During COVID, he got an extra 1.5 hours of work done everyday. So he never wanted to come back. That's not most people. Especially nowadays when everyone has anxiety, ADHD, neurodivergence, imposter syndrome, burnout, and gluten sensitivities.
 
The managers that love in office work are the same ones that aren't able to give you a written list of things to have done, with due dates, because they primarily walk around and shoot assignments off the cuff. Then they either forget they assigned them, or pull up the due date because they don't write things down.

My parents have never had office jobs, or jobs that were goal oriented. It's inconceivable to them that a person could "finish early" because we are paid salary to do a specific thing or series of things, not be at work at waiting for a customer to walk in the door...
 
That's not remotely what I said.
Well if not then I apologize for misinterpreting you, but I'm not sure how else to read it.

"For 25 years I was expected to be in the office 5 days a week. I now listen to 20- and 30-somethings ***** about being in the office 2 days a week."

Assuming the ***** is a synonym for "complain", of course.
 
Much depends on the nature of the job.

Before COVID, I could work from home occasionally and did so when I was focused on some individual task, like running simulations or analyzing circuits. During COVID, though, I was 100% WFH and for the most part I didn't think I was as effective. Much of the engineering work I was involved in was very collaborative, and collaboration never seems to work as well on zoom calls as it does when a few people are together scribbling ideas on a white board or napkin, and able to walk down to the lab or factory floor to look at a piece of hardware.

WFH also isn't very good at team building. It can work when the people already know one another and have previously interacted FTF for a while, but bringing on new team members and getting them assimilated is much tougher remotely. I hired several people without meeting them FTF, and that just really sucked.

As far as the EO goes, it does allow for exceptions on a case-by-case basis. If someone working in another state is truly in an essential role, I'm sure an exemption will be possible. For people who aren't as critical, that won't happen and some will quit. That's not necessarily a bad thing, expecially if reducing spending is a goal.
 
But yet “gummit” employees posting on forums during work hours………. ;)

Sorry everyone, maybe I missed the memo - are we sharing our work calendars with Doc?

It's understandable. Doc doesn't realize that government employees don't all work 9-5. They have annual and sick leave, flex time, compressed work schedules, all kinds of different schedules like night and mid shifts, workweeks that aren't M-F, and even breaks, yes. Oh, and of course live and work in many time zones.
 
What an asinine thing to say...
"Sport pilot licenses are a joke and so limited they are all but useless IMHO.
LSA/SLSA/ELSA aircraft are so limited to make their usefulness, well, useless.
"

Wow. Thanks (not) for putting me and hundreds of other Sport Pilots down. I haven't had to deal with a Medical for 20 years and have a lot of fun flying my (second) LSA "Certified" airplane all over the mid-Atlantic.
 
It's understandable. Doc doesn't realize that government employees don't all work 9-5.

I do realize that certain government employees spend a lot of time on social media while they are on a work schedule. ;)
 
Well if not then I apologize for misinterpreting you, but I'm not sure how else to read it.

"For 25 years I was expected to be in the office 5 days a week. I now listen to 20- and 30-somethings ***** about being in the office 2 days a week."

Assuming the ***** is a synonym for "complain", of course.
It is. And they do. And they should quit their bitching. I know they aren't suffering by being in the office less than half time because I've been doing this for dozens of years. But that's not why they have to do it. They have to do it because the company has determined that we're more productive with employees in the office.

Our HR head actually said at an all-company meeting that they're just not going to answer any more questions about the RTO policy because the bitching is so bad.
 
It is. And they do. And they should quit their bitching. I know they aren't suffering by being in the office less than half time because I've been doing this for dozens of years. But that's not why they have to do it. They have to do it because the company has determined that we're more productive with employees in the office.

Our HR head actually said at an all-company meeting that they're just not going to answer any more questions about the RTO policy because the bitching is so bad.
I really wouldn't mind going in a couple of days per week. Most of my meetings are Tues-Thurs anyway. It's the blanket 5 day mandate that seems more punitive than results-driven.
 
No one job can be all things to all people. I aspire to be a work at home roofing installer being paid mid-5 figures a month with a gold-plated diamond encrusted health plan, unlimited PTO, with 100% of 401K max contribution paid by the company along with a defined benefit plan that let me retire yesterday, fully vested after one day of employment. The retirement plan also needs to provide the same health coverage (all premiums paid by my employer) and gives me 125% of my annual salary, with annual COLA 2x the CPI.

ETA: and I still won’t be happy.
 
I really wouldn't mind going in a couple of days per week. Most of my meetings are Tues-Thurs anyway. It's the blanket 5 day mandate that seems more punitive than results-driven.
I view that arrangement as the worst of all worlds.

If the company doesn't have desks for the whole staff to be there at the same time a couple days a week, then there isn't benefit because you'll just be zooming from the office with the rest of the team remote.

If they do have enough desks, then they are carrying all the overhead of full RTO to only have people there a couple days a week.

Most important to me, you have now tied me to a HCOL area in order to get me in the office a couple days a week. With full remote, I'm saving megabucks by living in a LCOL area on 80 acres with a landing strip. This benefits the company because not every company allows full remote, so reduces the pool of opportunities I might leave to pursue.

And, of course, I'm more productive than in the office.
 
I view that arrangement as the worst of all worlds.

If the company doesn't have desks for the whole staff to be there at the same time a couple days a week, then there isn't benefit because you'll just be zooming from the office with the rest of the team remote.

If they do have enough desks, then they are carrying all the overhead of full RTO to only have people there a couple days a week.

Most important to me, you have now tied me to a HCOL area in order to get me in the office a couple days a week. With full remote, I'm saving megabucks by living in a LCOL area on 80 acres with a landing strip. This benefits the company because not every company allows full remote, so reduces the pool of opportunities I might leave to pursue.

And, of course, I'm more productive than in the office.
Yeah, good point. A personal nightmare of mine would be sitting in my office but still having all meetings on Zoom/Teams because all attendees are not in the same building :lol:
 
I view that arrangement as the worst of all worlds.

If the company doesn't have desks for the whole staff to be there at the same time a couple days a week, then there isn't benefit because you'll just be zooming from the office with the rest of the team remote.

If they do have enough desks, then they are carrying all the overhead of full RTO to only have people there a couple days a week.

Most important to me, you have now tied me to a HCOL area in order to get me in the office a couple days a week. With full remote, I'm saving megabucks by living in a LCOL area on 80 acres with a landing strip. This benefits the company because not every company allows full remote, so reduces the pool of opportunities I might leave to pursue.

And, of course, I'm more productive than in the office.

While I generally agree, do you want the same HCOL pay despite living an a LCOL area? Or do you ascribe to the theory that COL is not a part of the compensation calculation?
 
Yeah, good point. A personal nightmare of mine would be sitting in my office but still having all meetings on Zoom/Teams because all attendees are not in the same building :lol:

What's that? You want to come to work where I work? Prior to Covid, it was SOP to call into a meeting from your desk that was occuring in a meeting room you could see from your desk..
 
While I generally agree, do you want the same HCOL pay despite living an a LCOL area? Or do you ascribe to the theory that COL is not a part of the compensation calculation?
My value to the company is independent of how much I spend or where I spend it. Should my salary go down if I live in a HCOL area, but rent a studio apartment in a sketchy neighborhood to save money? Should Bob be paid more because he decided to buy a beautiful and giant house on a golf course?

Me deciding to live LCOL area versus HCOL area is exactly the same.
 
Employers have always been in the position to gamble on what they offered for wages. They're just less sure of the inputs now.
 
Employers have always been in the position to gamble on what they offered for wages. They're just less sure of the inputs now.
Sure, that's totally fair. And the minute a company tells me I'm making 20K less because I'm in a LCOL area is the minute I'm renting a bed in a hostel in Hartford CT (which google tells me is the HCOL king in the US right now), listing it as my residence and demanding a 20K increase instead. :-)
 
My value to the company is independent of how much I spend or where I spend it. Should my salary go down if I live in a HCOL area, but rent a studio apartment in a sketchy neighborhood to save money? Should Bob be paid more because he decided to buy a beautiful and giant house on a golf course?

Me deciding to live LCOL area versus HCOL area is exactly the same.

That’s up to the company. The federal government pays a base salary and a variable locality pay. Private party trash collectors are paid 2x the national average in HCOL areas.

The question I’m getting at is if your current company implemented locality based pay adjustments, would you stay with them if your pay was reduced to account for your COL location?

The response doesn’t matter to me because I think all these things are choices people can and should make for themselves. My company pays one of my peers in the same role with the same experience I have differently based on location. I’m okay with that because there simply isn’t enough money in the world for me to choose to live in a desert.

I could also make more money as a traveling consultant, doing less actual work, but choose not to because I don’t want to be a road warrior 46 weeks of the year.

And if someone wants to fall on their sword over remote work, more power to them. But work location/type is an employer’s choice to make. It the employee/potential employee who has to choose whether that’s right for then or not.
 
My value to the company is independent of how much I spend or where I spend it. Should my salary go down if I live in a HCOL area, but rent a studio apartment in a sketchy neighborhood to save money? Should Bob be paid more because he decided to buy a beautiful and giant house on a golf course?

Me deciding to live LCOL area versus HCOL area is exactly the same.
You're right. My company pays folks in HCOL cities more, but knocks them down to the LCOL pay bands if they go remote. What we should do is just knock everyone down. After all, their choosing to live in a HCOL area doesn't make their work more valuable to the company.
 
The question I’m getting at is if your current company implemented locality based pay adjustments, would you stay with them if your pay was reduced to account for your COL location?

I would immediately start seeking employment at a company that values my work, not my work location.

You're right. My company pays folks in HCOL cities more, but knocks them down to the LCOL pay bands if they go remote. What we should do is just knock everyone down. After all, their choosing to live in a HCOL area doesn't make their work more valuable to the company.

It's a competitive market out there. If they want the value my labor provides, they are going to pay for it regardless of where I live. 2024 corporate profits were yet another record high. Talk to me if I'm out of work during a recession, I might give you a different answer. But today, profits are high, unemployment is low, they can pay me the value I bring to the company, regardless of where I lay my head at night.
 
Out of curiosity, what EAB privileges do feel need to be expanded? The only thing we can't do, really, is fly commercially.

Ron Wanttaja

You cannot fly an EAB in many countries.

Basic Med is only recognized in three countries.
 
It's a competitive market out there.

Yes, it is.

...they can pay me the value I bring to the company, regardless of where I lay my head at night.

Or, they might find someone who lives in a LCOL area who can provide similar value and is willing to do so at a lower price. Remote work opens up the competitive options for the employer, too.

Convincing your employer that your work doesn't have to be done on site can be a two-edged sword.
 
WTF are you talking about?
Batteries are nowhere near energy dense enough to be useful in powered flight. Full stop.

People who are investing in battery powered airplanes know this. Every prospectus states it. Investing in electric airplanes is a loss. They should be investing in battery technology. Once batteries are 'airworthy' slapping a battery, controller and an electric motor in an airframe in trivial.
 
What on earth are you talking about??? Are you thinking that the "E" in ELSA means electric? Hint, it doesn't.
"Electric light sport aircraft (ELSA) are aircraft that are powered by electricity and are certified for light sport aircraft operations. Some examples of electric light sport aircraft include:"

Well, unless it does.
 
Sure, I did in my previous post. I worked as an instrument flight procedures developer. Once we got each project, minimal collaboration was needed, and what was required was mostly done with people in other locations anyway. Very much a production line kind of operation - get your project, finish it, send it in, get your next one. 100% computer based.

So when COVID hit, we just took our laptops home and continued working. There was virtually no negative impact, in fact as I mentioned before, my productivity went way UP due to fewer distractions in the form of people coming by to chat, other people talking loud on the phone, general office chatter and noise, etc. I estimate what took me around 8 hours at the office could be done in 4 or 5 at home. As a result, I got to the point where I was asking my manager for more work, because I got everything done so quickly.
One data point does not make a trend.

The FAA is still slower than it was before work from home, as are most gov't agencies.
 
Or, they might find someone who lives in a LCOL area who can provide similar value and is willing to do so at a lower price. Remote work opens up the competitive options for the employer, too.

I have no problem with a level playing field. Remote work lets me interview with every company in the country and it lets the company interview people anywhere as well. Fair enough.

In any case, that penny dropped decades ago when companies realized they could outsource jobs of all flavors not just to LCOL area in the US, but to other nations. Nothing new there. Companies have been able to shop around for a long time. What's new is that remote work gives opportunities for employees to do the same in a meaningful way for the first time.
 
I’d think that a company could save a ton of money with work-from-home. Having a physical office means mortgage/property tax/rent, heating, electricity, OSHA compliance, much higher potential for inappropriate conduct that results in civil liability, lower morale, higher staffing needed due to the time wasting that happens in offices.
All of those items are tax write offs. One reason I rented my office building (when I ran an ISP) was I could take the write off for the rent and almost every other associated expense. Working from from (when I was in a Corp 50 company) was software, dedicated lines, 24/7 support, everything was overnighted (hardware) plus the aggrivation of corp credit card expense reports.

First Wednesday of the month was update day. It was like a game of russian roulette.... leave your system running for the update push and hope you had a working system in the morning. If not you were on the phone (for hours because 100's of other systems also failed) and them most likely waiting a day or five for a UPS delivery of a new system. Proucitivity??? I'm sure the help desk had great numbers the first week of the month
 
They have to do it because the company has determined that we're more productive with employees in the office.
I'd speculate that the vast majority of "company's"/supervisors/managers/owners have determined no such thing.
Maybe all of them...but there's bound to be one or two out there somewhere that actually has done some proper analysis
Instead these sorts of things are driven by speculation, opinion, assumptions, paradigms...
 
What an asinine thing to say...
"Sport pilot licenses are a joke and so limited they are all but useless IMHO.
LSA/SLSA/ELSA aircraft are so limited to make their usefulness, well, useless.
"

Wow. Thanks (not) for putting me and hundreds of other Sport Pilots down. I haven't had to deal with a Medical for 20 years and have a lot of fun flying my (second) LSA "Certified" airplane all over the mid-Atlantic.
That's why I said IN MY HUMBLE OPINION.

Literally hundreds? I wouldn't have guessed that many. Seriously. I liken the SP ticket to those people I see driving those glorified golf carts around the 'hood. They spend $5-10K on a buggy you can't even take to the local Dollar General (not street legal).

Before I got my PPL I actually did think about SP. Until every.single.school and every.single.CFI said don't waste your time and MONEY. If your mission in VFR day with one passenger then OK.... good on you. But most people want way more than that.

Is there a way to look up the actual number of SP vs PPL?
 
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