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Ed Haywood said:
Why does the good doctor not block this individual?



I block anyone with that style of writing, whether directed at me or not. Just not worth the aggravation.
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Because the other individual likes arguing as well…they also like reporting people. :happydance:
 
Ed Haywood said:
Why does the good doctor not block this individual?
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The true experts (medical doctors here) not only provide good advice, but they also show that some of the "advice" given by those without their knowledge and expertise is wrong. They can't provide that service of refuting the bad "advice" if they ignored those posters. Lack of acknowledging those posts, as ignoring them, leads to people incorrectly inferring that the doctors agree with that advice. I obviously can't speak for Dr. Bruce or anyone else, but it seems like a reasonable theory.
 
Cap'n Jack said:
The true experts (medical doctors here) not only provide good advice, but they also show that some of the "advice" given by those without their knowledge and expertise is wrong. They can't provide that service of refuting the bad "advice" if they ignored those posters. Lack of acknowledging those posts, as ignoring them, leads to people incorrectly inferring that the doctors agree with that advice. I obviously can't speak for Dr. Bruce or anyone else, but it seems like a reasonable theory.
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They also can't provide a service of refuting bad advice is they aren't here at all.

Perhaps all posts, anon or not, should need to be approved by some means. I recognize the burden that would put on the mods or someone.
 
Cap'n Jack said:
The true experts (medical doctors here) not only provide good advice, but they also show that some of the "advice" given by those without their knowledge and expertise is wrong. They can't provide that service of refuting the bad "advice" if they ignored those posters. Lack of acknowledging those posts, as ignoring them, leads to people incorrectly inferring that the doctors agree with that advice. I obviously can't speak for Dr. Bruce or anyone else, but it seems like a reasonable theory.
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Fair point. But fact checking every post is a heavy lift. I'm not sure that's achievable without mod authority.
 
Bob Noel said:
They also can't provide a service of refuting bad advice is they aren't here at all.
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It was a voluntary service they provided. Why should that service continue if people are continually p*ssing on it?
Ed Haywood said:
Fair point. But fact checking every post is a heavy lift.
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They just "fact checked" the replies in the medical section, AFAIK.

Moderation is a fine line. Some level of ad hominem attacks have always been tolerated (referring to post 78). But where is the line?
 
Jim K said:
I guess we'll find out.

IMHO, no other aviation forum comes close to this one, save maybe Beechtalk, but unless you are a Bonanaza/Baron owner, you're a second class citizen over there. The one mentioned above looks pretty quiet to me. I like to actually see some new activity when I log in.
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Actually, Beechtalk is the forum it is because you have to use your actual name to register and post under. There is no hiding behind an anonymous post.
 
"You know who you are!"

actually, after all these years, I'm still doing some sole searching

 
Rcmutz said:
Actually, Beechtalk is the forum it is because you have to use your actual name to register and post under. There is no hiding behind an anonymous post.
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I'm a member of a photography forum where personal attacks are forbidden. Disagreements are allowed, but the posts must be respectful. Actual names aren't used. OTOH, some people who posted under their real names here were often rude.
 
Cap'n Jack said:
It was a voluntary service they provided. Why should that service continue if people are continually p*ssing on it?
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you brought up a problem with ignoring posters. I was merely pointing out the same problem exists if they aren't here at all.
 
Cap'n Jack said:
Lack of acknowledging those posts, as ignoring them, leads to people incorrectly inferring that the doctors agree with that advice.
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If even half the SMEs here thought silence was consent the traffic would be unmanageable. I expect the moderation would be as well.

Nauga,
who can silently judge you from afar :cool:
 
I have been made fun off, told I had bad grammar, and that i was wrong. People put terrible things on the internet and would these people do this to my face. Well maybe?

Thanks to all who run this place
 
I think Bruce wanted to have comments from non-Doc's blocked at one time.....kinda like putting us in the fish bowl....for viewing only and not participating in the OP and other Doc's conversation.
 
Confession: when I was brand new to PoA, about 4 years ago, I threw a personal insult at someone.

I still remember the thread. It was titled "don't be That Guy" and was about someone arriving at an airfield in a manner the OP disapproved of. I am firmly opposed to disapproval, so I voiced my opinion that the OP was being overly snooty and perhaps HE was That Guy. To punctuate my argument, I finished with "I'll bet you wear epaulettes." I thought that was quite clever at the time.

Two things happened. First, the OP blocked me. Second, the mods put me in the time-out chair for a week.

I learned my lesson. Mostly.
 
Ed Haywood said:
Confession: when I was brand new to PoA, about 4 years ago, I threw a personal insult at someone.

I still remember the thread. It was titled "don't be That Guy" and was about someone arriving at an airfield in a manner the OP disapproved of. I am firmly opposed to disapproval, so I voiced my opinion that the OP was being overly snooty and perhaps HE was That Guy. To punctuate my argument, I finished with "I'll bet you wear epaulettes." I thought that was quite clever at the time.

Two things happened. First, the OP blocked me. Second, the mods put me in the time-out chair for a week.

I learned my lesson. Mostly.
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Only time the mods censored me was when I asked a lawyer why he left law to become a pilot. I still don’t get why they put me in “time out.” :( But they do a good job and I appreciate the time they put in.
 
Ed Haywood said:
Confession: when I was brand new to PoA, about 4 years ago, I threw a personal insult at someone.

I still remember the thread. It was titled "don't be That Guy" and was about someone arriving at an airfield in a manner the OP disapproved of. I am firmly opposed to disapproval, so I voiced my opinion that the OP was being overly snooty and perhaps HE was That Guy. To punctuate my argument, I finished with "I'll bet you wear epaulettes." I thought that was quite clever at the time.

Two things happened. First, the OP blocked me. Second, the mods put me in the time-out chair for a week.

I learned my lesson. Mostly.
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FWIW, I would've argued against that. That's such an aviation specific insult I feel like we should embrace it :biggrin:

Now if you said "I'll bet you fly a high wing" OTOH....
 
Ed Haywood said:
Confession: when I was brand new to PoA, about 4 years ago, I threw a personal insult at someone.

I still remember the thread. It was titled "don't be That Guy" and was about someone arriving at an airfield in a manner the OP disapproved of. I am firmly opposed to disapproval, so I voiced my opinion that the OP was being overly snooty and perhaps HE was That Guy. To punctuate my argument, I finished with "I'll bet you wear epaulettes." I thought that was quite clever at the time.

Two things happened. First, the OP blocked me. Second, the mods put me in the time-out chair for a week.

I learned my lesson. Mostly.
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Amateur!

I asked about a taxi trek I used to get to 18 that looked suspiciously like a um.... "organ"
My phone rang 20 minutes later and a POA mod was on the other end. Don't give the mods your phone number.

On the other hand, a member here once told me I deserve to be on an NTSB report.
It used to be a little different around here. POA goes through phases.
 
Jim K said:
FWIW, I would've argued against that. That's such an aviation specific insult I feel like we should embrace it :biggrin:

Now if you said "I'll bet you fly a high wing" OTOH....
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Or a Mooney!
 
This thread is kind of a dumpster fire. I would be for a med certification forum where a question is asked and a doc responds, all other comments not allowed. The constant sniping about the FAA whether correct or incorrect gets tiresome. Maybe we could have another forum called axe grinding for some of those posts?
 
Four black stripes count? Askin for a friend…
 
PaulS said:
This thread is kind of a dumpster fire. I would be for a med certification forum where a question is asked and a doc responds, all other comments not allowed. The constant sniping about the FAA whether correct or incorrect gets tiresome. Maybe we could have another forum called axe grinding for some of those posts?
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There are plenty of places for that service, AMAS, AOPA, etc... Heck, you can just email the doc himself, or the many other AMEs/HIMS.

A forum is a forum, you go there to see a variety of comments from anyone who has access, thats its function. The medical comments from non-doctor users here have been, in my experience, just as valuable as Dr. Chiens comments. As for the FAA, its makes sense that when someone says, "It will take around a year to get approved for your medical" someone will ask why. Even Dr. Chien has not been light on his discussion about the FAA.
 
Wheresmychute said:
The medical comments from non-doctor users here have been, in my experience, just as valuable as Dr. Chiens comments.
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That reminds me of this (shared before):

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." Asimov "A Cult of Ignorance", Newsweek, Jan. 21, 1980

We all have opinions on pretty much everything. But my opinion re an instrument approach is probably not as useful or even accurate as that of a well-seasoned CFII and the same re my opinion of an engine issue and a well-seasoned A&P.

The challenge for forums like this is remembering we’re typically listening anonymously to SGOTI and many people come here more for support of their beliefs than informing them, so they’re likely to share things which can be specious. The trick is honestly discerning one from the other.
 
So....maybe SGOTI has a better way? Just because he's not a PhD or an MD.....he may have a point?

Do ya think some have lost their way with dialog and conversation? We all have an opinion. Isn't that the American way? It use to be.....

It appears some here want to piously hide behind their edumacation or silver spoon...or years of this worked for me this way so I'm an expert.....rather than have a convincing conversation.
 
Show me anywhere in my post where I said we shouldn’t share our opinions. If you find it I’ll edit it out.

I’m saying having an opinion is not the same as having expertise - certainly not having equal expertise and we should remember that.

And there’s an awful lot of trolling on the internet which should also be considered…

Add: Meta’s recent decision pretty much confirms we’ve moved into a “post truth” world where lies are more common
 
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Llewtrah381 said:
That reminds me of this (shared before):

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." Asimov "A Cult of Ignorance", Newsweek, Jan. 21, 1980

We all have opinions on pretty much everything. But my opinion re an instrument approach is probably not as useful or even accurate as that of a well-seasoned CFII and the same re my opinion of an engine issue and a well-seasoned A&P.

The challenge for forums like this is remembering we’re typically listening anonymously to SGOTI and many people come here more for support of their beliefs than informing them, so they’re likely to share things which can be specious. The trick is honestly discerning one from the other.
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Yes, that line of thinking is just common sense, "don't trust everything you read on the internet."

But if I read comments from people claiming to have gone through the process I am going through, and sharing their experience, I will listen.

You also need to take the same precautions with experts as you would anyone else. Dr. Chien for example is not a paragon of perfection either. There is plenty of information from other AME's that conflicts with his own. And other pilots who have complaints about his advice. For example, he tends to be very severe in his estimations of cost/time for medicals. Thats why its better to collect a bunch of information from different sources, and make your own conclusions.

The thing about knowledge and expertise is that it fools the people who are actually knowledgeable as well. Just go watch some Air Safety Institute videos, and count all the times some pilot with very high hours made a stupid decision that cost lives due to their complacency and their own perception of their knowledge.


tl:dr All information is valuable as long as you use it correctly. It doesn't matter where it comes from.
 
Llewtrah381 said:
I’m saying having an opinion is not the same as having expertise - certainly not having equal expertise and we should remember that.
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The caveat is accepting experise that may not be authentic or rejecting opinion that may be based on many years of genuine knowledge and actual life experience ...
 
Daleandee said:
The caveat is accepting experise that may not be authentic or rejecting opinion that may be based on many years of genuine knowledge and actual life experience ...
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I completely agree with both. We’re all human and prone to mistakes. The key is admitting them and readjusting one’s beliefs based on reality - not wishful thinking from any cause, including the hubris one can have from being an expert. Unfortunately this is seen as a weakness even though I’ve found admitting mistakes and saying “you’re right” to be pretty disarming and a sign of strength/personal “security”. Personally, I consider doubling down on something obviously false to be a sign of weakness, regardless of how bellicose the person is.
 
Llewtrah381 said:
Meta’s recent decision pretty much confirms we’ve moved into a “post truth” world where lies are more common
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Not at all. They just declined to be the arbiter of truth for billions of conversations worldwide. They also saw first hand the potential for abuse when the government attempted to fill that role.
 
Wheresmychute said:
tl:dr All information is valuable as long as you use it correctly. It doesn't matter where it comes from.
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It DOES matter where the information comes from. If it is wrong, especially if it is intentionally wrong, there is no correct way to use it-other than to eliminate it from consideration.
 
I for one am glad we managed to alienate an expert who lent his free-time to people by giving credible answers to their complex medical questions. I don't like nerds with experience who know stuff. It makes me feel like my personally obtained, anecdotal, sample size of n=1 medical opinion isn't as valuable. Next let's try and get all the real A&P/IAs off the board so we can all contribute our personal truths about how engines and electronics work.

In all sincerity, expertise really does matter. I'll take 1 Bruce opinion over 500 random PoA'ers shouting from the cheap seats (for the same reason i'll take 1 certified, type-rated ATP flying the plane instead of a random selection of 10 passengers flying by democracy).
And who could blame the doc for rage quitting the forums? I imagine bruh, as an accomplished doctor and pilot, has better things to do than get harassed by a rotating cast of clownish new members who find a grievance with the medical process and feel the need for a conversational punching bag.

EDIT: I'll add that I don't envy the mods on this. It's not easy to balance it. But some people really do provide a ton of value on this site and we should do what we can to make sure they're incentivized to stay here.
 
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