You know who you are!

dans2992 said:
Didn’t we go through this a few years back, too?

It’s a shame that you’d let one person get under your skin that badly, (there will always be someone), but hey, it’s your choice.
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The shame is that they’d let someone get under his skin this badly without doing anything about it. But alas…
 
Jim K said:
Writing for myself and not as a member of the MC, the medical forum has been a disaster lately. It is supposed to be for help with medical issues, not arguing about the FAA.
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And yet that’s all that happens, and it’s always the same person. And yet POA lets it go on. And on. And on. Why not do something? 99% of this is literally one person, and he’s been acting like this for ages. I’ve flagged countless posts of his that go against the forum rules, nothing ever happened. This is the result.
 
mryan75 said:
And yet that’s all that happens, and it’s always the same person. And yet POA lets it go on. And on. And on. Why not do something? 99% of this is literally one person, and he’s been acting like this for ages. I’ve flagged countless posts of his that go against the forum rules, nothing ever happened. This is the result.
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There has been a LOT of locked threads, deleted posts and some warnings issued lately in the medical forum. It takes a lot of time and effort for moderators to wade through threads that we aren't involved in and try to clean them up and decide what infringes on the rules.

Unfortunately, what should be clear cut warnable posts, are usually followed by two or three other posters arguing and violating the ROC as well. The good doctor himself is sometimes guilty of this. We don't want to issue warnings and points to the people who didn't start the argument, so everyone gets away with it. If people would restrain themselves from arguing and let the moderators deal with it, there would likely be a couple people on vacation right now. If we warned everyone involved with arguing, there would be half a dozen.

Sometimes it takes a couple days. We try to form a consensus around what action to take. The amount of time that takes is something we need to get better with.

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Mods, @admin

I think you should not have deleted, and should restore, @qbynewbie's post here. In spite of "advertising" another forum, he clearly said that PoAers were welcome to come to his forum (which was mentioned in the OP of this thread anyway) even if it were for nothing other than to be able to ask Dr. Bruce a question. He's not trying to convince anyone to leave PoA, if anything, he's trying to convince people to stay.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Mods, @admin

I think you should not have deleted, and should restore, @qbynewbie's post here. In spite of "advertising" another forum, he clearly said that PoAers were welcome to come to his forum (which was mentioned in the OP of this thread anyway) even if it were for nothing other than to be able to ask Dr. Bruce a question. He's not trying to convince anyone to leave PoA, if anything, he's trying to convince people to stay.
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@flyingcheesehead, ordinarily, such comments should be made via the Report button or by PM, per the RoC:
Bans and warnings, actual or suspected, shall not be discussed on the forums. Any inquiries or comments regarding bans are to be sent in private messages or via email. A moderator may choose to publicly inform the participants of a forum about bans and warnings if this is in the interest of the forum.
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In the interest of transparency:
* The gears of the MC grind slowly. We have jobs, snow to shovel, and kids and parents to take care of.
* In this case, we hid the post while we deliberated.
* The root cause was that such a post does not belong in Medical Topics; the solution was to move the whole thread to Site Feedback.

#thereifixedit
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Mods, @admin

I think you should not have deleted, and should restore, @qbynewbie's post here. In spite of "advertising" another forum, he clearly said that PoAers were welcome to come to his forum (which was mentioned in the OP of this thread anyway) even if it were for nothing other than to be able to ask Dr. Bruce a question. He's not trying to convince anyone to leave PoA, if anything, he's trying to convince people to stay.
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MC,

Thank you. :thumbsup: I know it's a fine line you walk, and I appreciate your consideration.
 
GeorgeC said:
@flyingcheesehead, ordinarily, such comments should be made via the Report button or by PM, per the RoC:


In the interest of transparency:
* The gears of the MC grind slowly. We have jobs, snow to shovel, and kids and parents to take care of.
* In this case, we hid the post while we deliberated.
* The root cause was that such a post does not belong in Medical Topics; the solution was to move the whole thread to Site Feedback.

#thereifixedit
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Thank you!

I did use Report, but I couldn't report the post I was talking about because it was deleted/hidden, which is why I posted and then reported my own post to ensure y'all saw the message.

Thanks for your transparency as well!
 
Why not stick around and just not give medical advice on the forum? You are still a pilot and there are some good topics discussed here outside the medical forum.

I’ll admit that having Dr. Bruce take a break from medical topics will probably be a net positive for POA. Not because his advice hasn’t been welcome and sound but the forum has gotten a bit of a reputation as the place to go if you don’t think you can pass a medical. That tends to attract every person with a DUI, mental issues, people who are taking medicine or drugs they shouldn’t be, and people who don’t want to admit to all the facts because they have their own view of how the world should work It’s a shame as Bruce has given some really good advice to those who were humble enough to listen. Maybe a break from responding to medical topics will let the forum reset a bit and lose its reputation at which point he could come back and only deal with those who really need and want true and honest help. In the mean time I hope he sticks around and at least keeps participating outside the medical forum.
 
Sad to see you go, Bruce. You are, indeed, a valuable resource - and very generous to give of your time to help so many on various forums.

Sadly, 1/2, he cannot keep the rude folks from posting in these threads. Without intervention from the mod staff, there is little he can do. I am saddened by his decision, but I do understand.
 
Daleandee said:
Maybe not .. this might be "the straw"
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I guess we'll find out.

IMHO, no other aviation forum comes close to this one, save maybe Beechtalk, but unless you are a Bonanaza/Baron owner, you're a second class citizen over there. The one mentioned above looks pretty quiet to me. I like to actually see some new activity when I log in.
 
Jim K said:
I guess we'll find out.

IMHO, no other aviation forum comes close to this one, save maybe Beechtalk, but unless you are a Bonanaza/Baron owner, you're a second class citizen over there. The one mentioned above looks pretty quiet to me. I like to actually see some new activity when I log in.
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Yeah, it's super low traffic.
 
It’s too bad we’re loosing a great resource for those that need his advice or help with the FAA
 
Speaking as one of the most definitely “You know who you are!” contributors, I’m sorry to see him go. I agree I like to debate, I can be direct and contrary to the common viewpoint here that you just have to deal with what the FAA is and suck it up. My beef isn’t necessarily with Dr. Chien, I know he’s doing his best to help pilots through the existing rules and processes. I just wish he, and other front line folks to the FAA, would advocate a bit more for change vs. defending or making excuses for them.

Maybe those 840 AME guideline pages are clear to him. But it seems they are not for many FAA designated AMES/HIMS AMES and it puts people like me, but not me specifically (THANK GOD), in horrible positions. And even if the HIMS AME does everything right, it still can take 12-15 months for the FAA to do their job. That’s my issue.

In any event, sorry Dr. Chien and POA community.
 
UTLonghorn_1979 said:
I just wish he...would advocate a bit more for change vs. defending or making excuses for them.
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Bruce is one of the authors of the FAA's protocol for using SSRIs and it took a great effort from him and a handful of others to get it approved. There aren't many AMEs who have worked longer and harder for change in OKC than Bruce.

The purposes of making changes and getting airmen approved are two different things, one long-term and one immediate. I believe you're confusing Bruce's goal of getting airmen approved with his longer term work of advocating for change.
 
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JOhnH said:
I don't think you have any idea of what you are talking about.
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I’m not going to argue. I’m just going off of the responses I received. I.e. it’s their sandbox, it’s their rules, you have an axe to grind, they aren’t going to change, complaining isn’t going to do anything, etc.

Yes, I’m aware he was involved in the HIMS process for SSRI. That’s great.

It doesn’t change the fact that it takes the FAA 12-15 months to process the SI/come to a determination. On that front, I will continue to be a squeaky wheel.
 
UTLonghorn_1979 said:
It doesn’t change the fact that it takes the FAA 12-15 months to process the SI/come to a determination. On that front, I will continue to be a squeaky wheel.
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Please choose an appropriate place to do so.

Nauga,
shouting into the void
 
UTLonghorn_1979 said:
Yes, I’m aware he was involved in the HIMS process for SSRI. That’s great.

It doesn’t change the fact that it takes the FAA 12-15 months to process the SI/come to a determination. On that front, I will continue to be a squeaky wheel.
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And you blame Dr. Bruce for that?
WTF have you done to help fix the problems?
 
JOhnH said:
And you blame Dr. Bruce for that?
WTF have you done to help fix the problems?
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No, I don’t. I blame the FAA. But I have every right to voice my opinion at the dysfunction of the FAA and have the right to have a skeptical eye on Drs. that make their living based upon that dysfunction.

I’ve written my Rep and Senators as well every member on the U.S. Committee on Commerce, Science & Transportation.
 
nauga said:
Please choose an appropriate place to do so.

Nauga,
shouting into the void
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Gonne be honest here chief, if you want to make changes you have to get people to work with you. Where else but online forums.
 
Wheresmychute said:
Gonne be honest here chief, if you want to make changes you have to get people to work with you. Where else but online forums.
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If you want to get people to work with you you have to stop arguing with them and entice them to work with you. Another suggestion is to do so in a thread related to change, not by derailing multiple threads where someone has asked for help on particular problem.

This is not advice from the MC to a single user. This is advice from a POA member to anyone who chooses to participate.

Summed up by the MC in one derailed thread:
Pilots Of America Management said:
A reminder that Medical Topics is a forum to help fellow pilots with the FAA we have, not a soapbox to discuss the FAA you wish we had.
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Nauga,
stepping out
 
Half Fast said:
That’d be a switch.



Your squeaking has PO’d the only AME who was still active on the forum. The others haven’t been around for many months.

I guess you’ve brought about change.....
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Yeah, it was 100% me. Like he’s never done this before:

Checkout_my_Six said:
Oh he'll be back. He's done this before....then he comes back when he's all better. Seen it back on the Red board...and a few times here. ;)
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Half Fast said:
Your squeaking has PO’d the only AME who was still active on the forum.
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The OP himself pointed out that it was not *one* person who ****ed him off, and "look what you made him do" is hardly a defense for what amounts to a ragequit.

Nauga,
remarkably restrained
 
Jim K said:
There has been a LOT of locked threads, deleted posts and some warnings issued lately in the medical forum. It takes a lot of time and effort for moderators to wade through threads that we aren't involved in and try to clean them up and decide what infringes on the rules.

Unfortunately, what should be clear cut warnable posts, are usually followed by two or three other posters arguing and violating the ROC as well. The good doctor himself is sometimes guilty of this. We don't want to issue warnings and points to the people who didn't start the argument, so everyone gets away with it. If people would restrain themselves from arguing and let the moderators deal with it, there would likely be a couple people on vacation right now. If we warned everyone involved with arguing, there would be half a dozen.

Sometimes it takes a couple days. We try to form a consensus around what action to take. The amount of time that takes is something we need to get better with.

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I get what you’re saying and I appreciate it’s not always easy, but I mean for crying out loud, this has been basically one poster acting like a complete clown and arguing with everybody - and most especially with Dr. Chien - for ages. Insulting people over and over again. Direct, personal, childish insults. One person. And this is the price all now have to endure.
 
Wheresmychute said:
Gonne be honest here chief, if you want to make changes you have to get people to work with you. Where else but online forums.
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Which is exactly the opposite of what the poster in question has done. Literally the Exact. Opposite.
 
nauga said:
The OP himself pointed out that it was not *one* person who ****ed him off, and "look what you made him do" is hardly a defense for what amounts to a ragequit.

Nauga,
remarkably restrained
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The other two were clearly the proverbial straw. Everyone here knows exactly why he left and who specifically is 99.9999999099999999% of the reason. Doc leaving was exactly what this forum had coming. Unfortunately. To lose all that knowledge and experience, for what? Honestly? For what?

I don’t mind contrary opinions, but I flagged a few posts the other day in which poster-in-question made such high-brow observations to me such as “Can you read?” and “Try and keep up.” It’s just nonsense. And he did and does this All. The. Time. And nothing ever happens. This is the inevitable result.

What a shame.
 
mryan75 said:
I get what you’re saying and I appreciate it’s not always easy, but I mean for crying out loud, this has been basically one poster acting like a complete clown and arguing with everybody - and most especially with Dr. Chien - for ages. Insulting people over and over again. Direct, personal, childish insults. One person. And this is the price all now have to endure.
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Why does the good doctor not block this individual?

mryan75 said:
poster-in-question made such high-brow observations to me such as “Can you read?” and “Try and keep up.”
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I block anyone with that style of writing, whether directed at me or not. Just not worth the aggravation.
 
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