The dislike button

I believe I've only ever used it ironically. I also believe that any response, including eye rolls and thumbs-down, count as "reactions", just like likes.
 
172andyou said:
Most platforms tried the "disliked" playbook years, sometimes decades, ago and learned that it was a failure in terms of creating the communities they wanted.
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Reddit is one that kept it in the form of downvotes.
It's delightful. Say one thing against the group-think Reddit orthodoxy and you can watch in real time as your hard-earned "karma" is obliterated :)
 
ArrowFlyer86 said:
Reddit is one that kept it in the form of downvotes.
It's delightful. Say one thing against the group-think Reddit orthodoxy and you can watch in real time as your hard-earned "karma" is obliterated :)
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That's fair. As did YT. But note that on reddit they only display the net vote and on YT the dislikes are only available to YT and, sort of, the content creator. If you're gonna have a dislike button, I'm mostly a fan of net scores. PoA showing not only the actual count, but also the actual voters is not a great combo for a dislike button to add value.
 
172andyou said:
That's fair. As did YT. But note that on reddit they only display the net vote and on YT the dislikes are only available to YT and, sort of, the content creator.
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Yeah - but the net vote count can still be damning.
And to clarify: I totally dislike the Reddit system. It promotes group think by trying to publicly coerce people into saying things other people agree with. You're disincentivized to offer an opinion (or facts) that community might disagree with and I think that's the opposite of a good system. I prefer systems that don't show any sort of public approval/disapproval. Let everyone think for themselves and not just be in it for the likes/karma-farming/etc.
 
Jim K said:
I also believe that any response, including eye rolls and thumbs-down, count as "reactions", just like likes.
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Yep - in other words, even bad publicity is good publicity. Now imagine if the thumbs-down subtracted one reaction, and the rolling eyes subtracted two. Now that would be fun!
 
ArrowFlyer86 said:
Yeah - but the net vote count can still be damning.
And to clarify: I totally dislike the Reddit system. It promotes group think by trying to publicly coerce people into saying things other people agree with. You're disincentivized to offer an opinion (or facts) that community might disagree with and I think that's the opposite of a good system. I prefer systems that don't show any sort of public approval/disapproval. Let everyone think for themselves and not just be in it for the likes/karma-farming/etc.
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Yeah, no system is perfect. But "let everyone think for themselves" turns anything of even modest size into a spammers paradise. I've been mostly a fan of net voting since slashdot invented the idiom 25(?) years ago. I occasionally dip into the downvoted stuff on reddit and, I gotta say, it's awfully effective. Sometimes someone says something that doesn't get surfaced, particularly on posts that get a lot of comments, and just sits there at +1. But "unpopular but accurate" statements getting downvoted into negative numbers happens much less frequently. It's hundreds of times better than the comments on systems of any size that have nothing. I mean, we even have a phrase for it, "don't read the comments". That phrase exists because so many sites out there have no moderation and the most vile and nasty stuff gets equal time to thoughtful responses. But, yeah, reddit's not perfect.
 
172andyou said:
Yeah, no system is perfect. But "let everyone think for themselves" turns anything of even modest size into a spammers paradise. I've been mostly a fan of net voting since slashdot invented the idiom 25(?) years ago. I occasionally dip into the downvoted stuff on reddit and, I gotta say, it's awfully effective. Sometimes someone says something that doesn't get surfaced, particularly on posts that get a lot of comments, and just sits there at +1. But "unpopular but accurate" statements getting downvoted into negative numbers happens much less frequently. But, yeah, it's not perfect.
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Agreed, not an easy algorithmic problem to solve. It's usually not an issue if you're on something more objective like r/engineering or motors.
But if you're poking around subjective topics -- you better not offer any input that deviates from standard orthodoxy or you're gonna get lit-up endlessly. And really, what's the benefit of taking a user from -1 to -2 to -675 aside from making the incremental naysayers feel like they've done their civic duty in damning someone. (Not that this has ever happened to me ;))
 
Jim K said:
I believe I've only ever used it ironically. I also believe that any response, including eye rolls and thumbs-down, count as "reactions", just like likes.
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At the topmost level of the reactions admin it counts as -1 towards a user's reaction count. As seems to be the case in settings, that may be overridden somewhere deeper, but that's where it stands at first glance.

ETA: I just tried a thumbs-down on your post that I quoted and it decremented your reaction score. I undid it and your score went back up.

Nauga,
not a fan
 
I'm personally not a fan of the dislike button. There wasn't a specific decision by the MC to add this - it just came with the recent software update. I'm sure it can be turned off if that's what people want.
 
kayoh190 said:
I'm personally not a fan of the dislike button. There wasn't a specific decision by the MC to add this - it just came with the recent software update. I'm sure it can be turned off if that's what people want.
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On the one hand, it gives people an alternative path to voicing their dislike for a post rather than creating an often combative reply that has the potential to spiral.
On the other hand it makes anonymity more likely by making disagreement easier.

I prefer seeing people do battle in the online arena, thus I favor forcing replies if someone has something to say instead of offering a cowardly "dislike" :stirpot:
 
ArrowFlyer86 said:
On the one hand, it gives people an alternative path to voicing their dislike for a post rather than creating an often combative reply that has the potential to spiral.
On the other hand it makes anonymity more likely by making disagreement easier.
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There are rules of conduct in place so that we can deal with combative replies. Retaliatory downvotes would be are more problematic.

Nauga,
and his secret ballot
 
ArrowFlyer86 said:
Yeah - but the net vote count can still be damning.
And to clarify: I totally dislike the Reddit system. It promotes group think by trying to publicly coerce people into saying things other people agree with. You're disincentivized to offer an opinion (or facts) that community might disagree with and I think that's the opposite of a good system. I prefer systems that don't show any sort of public approval/disapproval. Let everyone think for themselves and not just be in it for the likes/karma-farming/etc.
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Not only that, but if you say something correct but unpopular, people will downvote you and it stops being displayed when people read the thread.

But anyhow. Yes, someone asked for it a while back. The various things that show up on the like button interface is configurable, all you need is an icon. It really doesn't do anything other than keep track of who has pressed what button.
 
ArrowFlyer86 said:
On the one hand, it gives people an alternative path to voicing their dislike for a post rather than creating an often combative reply that has the potential to spiral.
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This might be the dumbest comment I've ever read on PoA. ;-)

Joking aside, I'm happy to read that this just kind appeared in a software upgrade. The MCs have a right to make decisions, of course, but I was surprised by this one.
 
If you can't tell who liked and didn't, what good is it? A single soul running contrary to a huge majority makes it look 50-50. Ditch it or fix it, imo.
 
dtuuri said:
If you can't tell who liked and didn't, what good is it?
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???
"Who likes and who didn't" is shown at the bottom of every post that's received a reaction. Clicking the caption gives a by-user list:

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You can see this for any post, not just your own.

Nauga,
the supercritical reactor
 
Seriously, where ARE the emojis? I hit the three vertical dot doohicky and I see the emoji symbol but it’s grayed out
 

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I want a feature similar to ignore, but instead of ignoring the users posts, it automatically unlikes all their posts for me.
 
DJTorrente said:
I was curious enough to check the post count statistics (here). I find it interesting, despite its obvious flaws. The late Henning still has a commanding hold on third place.
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And his reaction score is 60.:rofl:

Personally, I think the reaction score is a far more interesting statistic.... ;)
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Highest reaction score

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