Bill Introduced To Digitalize Pilot Certificates

MauleSkinner said:
It’s not the FAA that’s storing stuff…it’s a special government agency tasked with monitoring our every communication and movement. The Bureau for Investigation and Governance of Brazen Radicals, Old Timers Hiding Everywhere, and Relatives.
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I see what you did there!
 
455 Bravo Uniform said:
What am I going to flash the pilots when I board an airliner? It’s going to be awkward showing my phone and the passengers around me won’t really notice. This sucks…

:p
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It’s worse in a bar. Pulling out your phone, opening an PDF, and saying “I’m a pilot” doesn’t have the same impact. Only two women threw me their panties. Not a win.
 
Half Fast said:
And at every renewal, it seemed they had changed the formatting and I ended up re-typing most of it anyway.
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I had that issue with the paper ones, but the electronic ones always carried over properly. Just had to fill in new fields or update some.
 
One item to keep in mind with digital certificates and other similar documents is they must meet an international standard due to the ICAO and other aviation agreements. So its not just an FAA thing. Same for most regulatory changes.

ICAO has been working on this standard for several years and there is now an interim process in place. My guess is the bill submitted in the OP is the result of this ICAO interim process implementation.
 
Y’all do know a private English firm is holding a huge chunk of all the medical info already, right?
 
StraightnLevel said:
That's why you register with an LLC.
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nauga said:
You also can't opt out on the aircraft registry if an airplane is registered in your name. There are ways around it, but none provided by the FAA.
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Yes, you pay for a semblance of privacy the FAA refuses to provide.

Nauga,
and his PO box
 
Aircraft are not protected by the Privacy Act. The Privacy Act covers only information collected about people. Of course, the FAA largely ignores the Privacy Act. You should be able to hide your pilot information, but they refuse to obey that rule.
 
The FAA has also been required by federal law for the last 20 years to issue pilot certificates with the pilot’s photo. They have yet to comply, and there seemingly is no penalty for them going off script.
 
ateamer said:
Long overdue! Registration and airworthiness certs should be the same. As should driver’s licenses, car registration and insurance. It all can be done online and through apps. We’re a quarter of the way through the 21st century. Why are we stuck in the the 20th century when it comes to this stuff?
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While I don’t oppose this legislation, I also don’t see a compelling need for.
 
ateamer said:
Why are we stuck in the the 20th century when it comes to this stuff?
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Because the .gov has not learned to protect digital data and incurs zero liability when it's compromised.

I was a victim of the 2015 hack of the SF-86 data breach. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Personnel_Management_data_breach Consequently, I'm rather skeptical about USG databases. It's pretty difficult for China to hack a piece of plastic or paper that's in my wallet or wall safe.
 
ateamer said:
The FAA has also been required by federal law for the last 20 years to issue pilot certificates with the pilot’s photo. They have yet to comply, and there seemingly is no penalty for them going off script.
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The FAA did propose rule making that would have required a pilot to submit an application for a new or replacement certificate in person. For these in-person applications, a pilot must appear at a Flight Service District Office (FSDO) or other FAA designee, such as a Knowledge Testing Center or designated pilot examiner. All certificate holders applying for a certificate with a photo for the first time would submit that application in person. The new certificates would be valid for eight years and a fee of $22 is proposed for each new or renewal certificate, which would be $31 today.

Today, the FSDOs don’t have the staff to do it and the question is would a DPE, test center or AME bother for $31 for to process an in person application.
 
Clip4 said:
Today, the FSDOs don’t have the staff to do it and the question is would a DPE, test center or AME bother for $31 for to process an in person application.
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The designee would charge whatever their “normal” fee would be for an administrative application, and the government fee would be additional and/or separate.
 
What I’m wondering is what the privacy issue is. The FAA already has this data and just like with digital ID it seems to me that this is just a matter of letting us as individuals use it to our own benefit.

Or are we just worried another potential entry point for hackers?
 
ateamer said:
Long overdue! Registration and airworthiness certs should be the same. As should driver’s licenses, car registration and insurance. It all can be done online and through apps. We’re a quarter of the way through the 21st century. Why are we stuck in the the 20th century when it comes to this stuff?
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Because not everyone has a smart phone. My husband worked in telephony for 33 years and refuses to get one.
 
judypilot said:
Because not everyone has a smart phone. My husband worked in telephony for 33 years and refuses to get one.
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Well, the folks who choose to stay analog can stick with printed certificates. I, and many others, want as few items as possible in my wallet, glovebox, and desk drawers.
 
ateamer said:
Well, the folks who choose to stay analog can stick with printed certificates. I, and many others, want as few items as possible in my wallet, glovebox, and desk drawers.
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Except it’s a bit more than a personal choice whether those certificates are printed or electronic. As much as I agree a lot of aviation related documentation could be digitalized, some document changes can't be accomplished in an expediated manner due to long established international agreement and federal law. For example, the bill mentioned in the OP is the start of that process to change the US federal law as the international agreement on the format of pilot licenses/certificates had been updated a couple years ago allowing electronic licenses/certificates. At least they are starting to move in the right direction.
 
Well, mine served as a second form of ID when I was refinancing. Couldn't locate my passport to go along with the DL, so the notary accepted the certificate. Not sure if the printed copy would've sufficed. At least I got to use it for something :)
 
ateamer said:
The FAA has also been required by federal law for the last 20 years to issue pilot certificates with the pilot’s photo. They have yet to comply, and there seemingly is no penalty for them going off script.
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You are correct. Each year the FAA request money in the budget to implement the program, and Congress cuts it out.


So if Congress won’t allocate the money, then how do they get it done?

And how do you penalize the FAA when it’s Congress refusing to fund it?
 
ateamer said:
The FAA has also been required by federal law for the last 20 years to issue pilot certificates with the pilot’s photo. They have yet to comply, and there seemingly is no penalty for them going off script.
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I'm quite happy not having a photo on my pilot cert. What advantage would that provide? I already have a driver license and a passport and multiple other photo IDs. I'd rather the FAA NOT have to develop the processes and additional bureaucracy and additional fees to put my picture on the certificate. Required or not by law, I just don't see a benefit.
 
Pinecone said:
But as someone mentioned, the SF-86 for security clearances is online, and when you apply, it pulls up your last one and you confirm the info and update those things that needs updating. Nice and easy.
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If only this happened when I had to fill the @$&$#$ thing out many many times many moons ago……
 
judypilot said:
Because not everyone has a smart phone. My husband worked in telephony for 33 years and refuses to get one.
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So now instead of a fairly innocuous plastic card in my wallet, now I have to carry a cell phone.
 
Half Fast said:
Because the .gov has not learned to protect digital data and incurs zero liability when it's compromised.

I was a victim of the 2015 hack of the SF-86 data breach. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Personnel_Management_data_breach Consequently, I'm rather skeptical about USG databases. It's pretty difficult for China to hack a piece of plastic or paper that's in my wallet or wall safe.
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Me too which is why I seldom if ever worry about privacy. The Chinese have my whole life history recorded in the many SF86 forms and probably sell it to whoever asks. Just keep my credit report locked and hope for the best.
 
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