Is there a way to know what airports have PlanePass so I can avoid them?We only have one side of the story, but the FBO didn’t steal credit card info, it was on file. That means OP had been there before (and admitted it). Ignorance or attempting avoidance of the policy isn’t a valid reason to not comply with the policy.
While not the exact concept, it’s already being done for landing fees.
PLANEPASS | Landing fee billing | Vector Airport Systems
PLANEPASS is Vector Airport System's automated, full-service landing fee billing and collection system.www.vector-us.com
ETA: my nearest airport and former base contracted for the system; there’s no exceptions for based aircraft, to include those who own airport homes with hangars. Prior to the ownership change a couple years ago, there was no landing fees at all, so there was some ruffling of feathers, to include a lawsuit as it seems the covenants for the homesites includes the phrase “free access to runway”. Don’t know how the case is going though.
No argument on whether they should inform you.
Says the Florida resident whose state and local goverment is absolute tax leaches on the people who bring economic benefit to that community. The amount of taxes directed at tourists is designed to subsidize to residents.
Maybe it's intentional: charge outrageous fees, less planes use the FBO, so they charge more to try to keep the same revenue, then when very few people go there, they tell the city the airport isn't viable and the city transforms the airport into a housing development.
I call BS! Just how big is this hangar? I can move my hangar 25 degrees on less than 50 cents. Literally. I just did the math for the last time I opened my door. I have power tracking on my AC circuits. Six tons worth. My hangar is 33,000 cubic feet. I'm sure you're talking a lot larger than that, but 50 freaking cents. More than $100 is total BS.
Good for you.
There are multiple steps between what your screenshot shows and actually booking a room. Show the screen where you're actually entering payment information.
You can fit 8 Cherokees on way less than an acre.
Why? I already showed that you can click the check box to get the taxes and fees as your post indicated. This wasn't always the case until recently. As I stated, my comment was based on old information and doesn't hold now. What changed are recent laws in CA, and proposed legislation like this: https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...e-regulation-rule-on-unfair-or-deceptive-fees
You may have meant to link to this NPRM:
"well into the purchasing transactions" includes billing at the end of a stay - note the next comment
Just as I've experienced
The vast majority of time, in my experience, the fees are not listed anywhere. This is why I call every time.
They're not the same link. I linked to the NPRM; you linked to a hearing transcript.
Welcome to a capitalist society. I don’t think anybody here is arguing against outrageous fees. My point is that many of you seem to believe that you should be able to park where you want free of charge and if you don’t like the price, than you should try to dispute it with your bank and charge it back to the business - which is an absolute entitled way of thought that I simply didn’t believe many of you had.
Give me an example. Being told facility fees over the phone is still being transparent and I’ve never had an FBO refuse to do so, if I cannot find them posted online.
This is where your link goes to:They're not the same link. I linked to the NPRM; you linked to a hearing transcript.
And you should reread what I wrote that you responded to:
Egregious FBO charges
Have you been to this FBO before and did you know they charge for ramp use beforehand? Although I don't own it, I fly a PC12 and know there will be ramp and/or parking fees at Atlantic, Signature, etc. if I don't buy fuel. Usually 100 gallons. Whether you used their facilities or not, you parked...www.pilotsofamerica.com
That's great, but many hotels weren't transparent with those fees. That's why there is a proposed rule. How about you show a screen shot from about 2 years ago showing that those fees were disclosed?
Generally agree in principle. But...I’ve been to, dozens of different FBO’s and I’ve never once been surprised or felt mislead by hidden fees or deception. I am certainly not sticking up for that side of the coin, but I frankly have never experienced the claims that many of y’all are making. It is your job as PIC to familiarize yourself with the FBO ahead of time.
I’ve only been to 133 unique airports and I’ve been charged more than I was told I would be three times. Total of more than $200. I’ve honestly not kept track of the times I was charged without prior notice. But it’s been a few times.I’ve been to, dozens of different FBO’s and I’ve never once been surprised or felt mislead by hidden fees or deception. I am certainly not sticking up for that side of the coin, but I frankly have never experienced the claims that many of y’all are making. It is your job as PIC to familiarize yourself with the FBO ahead of time.
What legal basis did the FBO have to charge him what it did?
Is he claiming Sovereign Citizen status?
What legal basis did they *not* have? It sounds like they have exclusive rights to that ramp space or they own it as part of their agreement with the City. In other words, they control that pavement. They have every right to charge for parking there, whether you used their facilities or not.
The same right the pilot had skipping out and not paying.
Honestly, you fly a Meridan worth $2 million that burns $3.50 a minute in fuel and $385 to park on a secured ramp overnight is egregious?
Yeah, that's not how it works. Controlling the pavement, if they do, might give them the right to ask him to leave. Did they? If I stand on your front lawn I don't owe you money just because you say so. Of course not, that's absurd.
Curious, what’s your experience with airport management?
I'd have it towed off my property. Did the FBO have the OP's plane towed off it's property?
So exactly how to you ask me to leave when you walk out your front door to find my car parked your front lawn and I have walked off?
It’s not very secure. Unmanned after hours and the fence is… laughable.
