Dan Gryder Lockheed Electra Crash

kyleb said:
I can absolutely see this accident and the one where the Vision jet went into the drink being similar. You push the brake pedals, the right brake fails, and your instinct is to push the brake pedals harder. It takes a half second of rational thought (not instinctive reaction) to figure out that something's wrong and what worked all those times before isn't the solution this time. Kinda like the people who mistakenly hit the gas pedal instead of the brake and jam it to the floor trying to stop, all while the car accelerates madly...
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Note, too, that if you’re pushing both toe brake pedals and apply right rudder at the same time, you’ll likely increase left brake pressure due to the geometry of your legs & feet.
 
While the account is an interesting read and eagerly soaked up by the spectating public, if I am ever captain of an airplane that wrecks I hope my copilot/passenger would have the common sense to stfu and for Godsake keep all your hot air off social media until my attorney approves, til the NTSB has interviewed you, and as a courtesy; til I give the ok.
 
Let'sgoflying! said:
While the account is an interesting read and eagerly soaked up by the spectating public, if I am ever captain of an airplane that wrecks I hope my copilot/passenger would have the common sense to stfu and for Godsake keep all your hot air off social media until my attorney approves, til the NTSB has interviewed you, and as a courtesy; til I give the ok.
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Then don't ever fly with Dan.
 
Let'sgoflying! said:
While the account is an interesting read and eagerly soaked up by the spectating public, if I am ever captain of an airplane that wrecks I hope my copilot/passenger would have the common sense to stfu and for Godsake keep all your hot air off social media until my attorney approves, til the NTSB has interviewed you, and as a courtesy; til I give the ok.
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Won't have to worry about Dan talking to the NTSB. He wouldn't talk to them last time. Why would he this time?
 
Let'sgoflying! said:
While the account is an interesting read and eagerly soaked up by the spectating public, if I am ever captain of an airplane that wrecks I hope my copilot/passenger would have the common sense to stfu and for Godsake keep all your hot air off social media until my attorney approves, til the NTSB has interviewed you, and as a courtesy; til I give the ok.
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According to the account, he was the instructor, not a passenger. And he's not going to talk to the NTSB because he's Dan Gryder
 
A guy I know wrote off a Corsair. He said that he forgot to lock the tailwheel.
 
Tailwheel question. What is the process on such a plane to lock the tailwheel? Is it a failure prone point? Is it a checklist item?
 
I don’t know much about Dan or his Utube offerings. I did watch one the other day, he was talking about how the same causes repeat over & over, with accidents.
Glad he’s mostly ok.


I find it kinda crazy he turns up in some of these events. I think it’s time he take a break to work on his 66 Chevelle or a garden.
 
Mason said:
Leaf him alone. They were just opening a branch office.
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dtuuri said:
Doesn't look like it was locked to me
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I agree, pretty certain I can see it swiveling side to side as the aircraft passes by.

Based on Dan's comment's on FB it seems he acknowledged they didn't lock the wheel. But I admit his comments are open to interpretation.
 
4RNB said:
Now you are just flaming him
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Well I'm sure you know the old saw about being board a not able to leave it alone but I didn't mean to set the woods on fire ...
 
4RNB said:
Tailwheel question. What is the process on such a plane to lock the tailwheel? Is it a failure prone point? Is it a checklist item?
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Been a long while since I flew a Model 10, the big brother to the 12, but I seem to remember the tailwheel lock was a lever control on the center pedestal and was required to be locked for takeoffs and landings. I believe that there was also a prohibition of three pointing the a/c on landing due to some momentary blanking out of the tail with the flaps down and in a certain speed range.
 
Salty said:
Dans whole reason to be in that aircraft was to do training on use of checklists. That says it all.
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Not quite all…somebody on BeechTalk pasted a D.G. Facebook post…
"I am once again pretty disappointed with a non CFI, non MEI, part 121 FO YouTuber that never checked out in a BE-18 or an L12A.
FACT: The L12A will climb 400 fpm with full flaps extended, and the tailwheel doesn’t need to be locked for takeoff or landing. Tailwheel lock is a work load reliever for long taxiways where no turns are required. I never locked a tailwheel for any BE-18 takeoff or landing and this has zero to do with what happened.
We typically don’t lock tailwheel for any L12A operation, but some do, just personal preference."
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Salty said:
Dans whole reason to be in that aircraft was to do training on use of checklists. That says it all.
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To go along with your statement, Dan and others are pushing this 'Advanced Qualifications Program' (AQP). The commercial aviation community does benefits from such a program. Pilots flying less then 50 hours a year in the same plane are getting information overload. AQP used by recreational pilots will create confusion in the cockpit. Pilots will be so busy trying to remember everything from their last Bi-Annual and worrying about forgetting something important they forget the most important thing... FLY THE PLANE YOU'RE IN.

Don't worry about turning off the air-conditioner, looking for aircraft 10 miles out, making the perfect radio calls and all the if-then do this or do that. I had a Bi-Annual that the instructor was all into training me and having me perform procedures that didn't apply to the fixed pitch, single engine, fixed gear aircraft we were sitting in. Example: Gas, Undercarriage, Mixture, Prop (GUMP) check. There's an abbreviated 'Before Landing Checklist' mounted on the panel that I put my finger on and do the basic checklist. It has worked hundreds of times just fine and I have never forgot to turn off the air-conditioner, adjust the fixed pitch prop and extend the fixed gear even once. Most interesting, the fuel selector was on both when the aircraft took off and was still on both when arriving at the airport traffic area.

 
Klaus M said:
To go along with your statement, Dan and others are pushing this 'Advanced Qualifications Program' (AQP). The commercial aviation community does benefits from such a program. Pilots flying less then 50 hours a year in the same plane are getting information overload. AQP used by recreational pilots will create confusion in the cockpit. Pilots will be so busy trying to remember everything from their last Bi-Annual and worrying about forgetting something important they forget the most important thing... FLY THE PLANE YOU'RE IN.

Don't worry about turning off the air-conditioner, looking for aircraft 10 miles out, making the perfect radio calls and all the if-then do this or do that. I had a Bi-Annual that the instructor was all into training me and having me perform procedures that didn't apply to the fixed pitch, single engine, fixed gear aircraft we were sitting in. Example: Gas, Undercarriage, Mixture, Prop (GUMP) check. There's an abbreviated 'Before Landing Checklist' mounted on the panel that I put my finger on and do the basic checklist. It has worked hundreds of times just fine and I have never forgot to turn off the air-conditioner, adjust the fixed pitch prop and extend the fixed gear even once. Most interesting, the fuel selector was on both when the aircraft took off and was still on both when arriving at the airport traffic area.

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Aside from
  • Data collection and analysis to validate individual and team proficiency, and the AQP itself
  • Training is systematically developed with an audit trail for all training and data requirements
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There’s really nothing in AQP that the FAA doesn’t already encourage and/or allow GA pilots and instructors to do.
 
MauleSkinner said:
Aside from

There’s really nothing in AQP that the FAA doesn’t already encourage and/or allow GA pilots and instructors to do.
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It could be argued use of the WINGS program provides a systematic solution with an audit trail.

All DG’s attempt at AQP was to use the term as his own brand differentiator. ‘Look at me, I’ve taken something the airlines do that may/may not cause improved safety and stuck it on uTube so you’ll smash my likes while I smash my head.”
 
TCABM said:
It could be argued use of the WINGS program provides a systematic solution with an audit trail.

All DG’s attempt at AQP was to use the term as his own brand differentiator. ‘Look at me, I’ve taken something the airlines do that may/may not cause improved safety and stuck it on uTube so you’ll smash my likes while I smash my head.”
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Agreed, but he is getting the information out on a different social media platform. I participate in the wings programs frequently, unfortunately most pilots at my airport don't even know what the wings program is, they might know Dan on youtube though.
 
1RTK1 said:
Agreed, but he is getting the information out on a different social media platform. I participate in the wings programs frequently, unfortunately most pilots at my airport don't even know what the wings program is, they might know Dan on youtube though.
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Except DG never isn’t selling WINGS. He’s selling himself.
 
Trying to create a need I suppose.

I believe in training, I do plenty of it. But I pick the syllabus. I also fly with a lot of other pilots and ask for brutal honesty if they see any weakness, which is probably less common for many recreational pilots.
 
1RTK1 said:
Agreed, but he is getting the information out on a different social media platform. I participate in the wings programs frequently, unfortunately most pilots at my airport don't even know what the wings program is, they might know Dan on youtube though.
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So his target audience for a better training program is pilots who have chosen not to be knowledgeable about training?
 
MauleSkinner said:
So his target audience for a better training program is pilots who have chosen not to be knowledgeable about training?
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In a way yes.

TCABM said:
Except DG never isn’t selling WINGS. He’s selling himself.
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Well I doubt he has enough followers or will every have enough followers to make anything off of his channel. He isn't doing anything negative, he does bring to light accidents and possible causes which GA should avoid.
 
Jim K said:
You mean other than stealing evidence from crash sites?
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Seems the only person I have heard saying that was another utuber that seems to have a hard on for him and wants to promote himself.
Not that I know who is lying, BUT DG story is polar opposite.
Amazing how many people on these boards are condemning of others before they even look in the mirror. I'm not talking about this discussion, but in general on many message boards...........

MauleSkinner said:
I would tend to disagree with that, but… :dunno:
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How so, I haven's seen him tell people to be reckless in any manor. He seems to care about decreasing GA accidents, is that bad??
 
1RTK1 said:
Seems the only person I have heard saying that was another utuber that seems to have a hard on for him and wants to promote himself.
Not that I know who is lying, BUT DG story is polar opposite.
Amazing how many people on these boards are condemning of others before they even look in the mirror. I'm not talking about this discussion, but in general on many message boards...........



How so, I haven's seen him tell people to be reckless in any manor. He seems to care about decreasing GA accidents, is that bad??
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lol. He seems to care about making money caring about decreasing ga accidents.
 
1RTK1 said:
Agreed, but he is getting the information out on a different social media platform.
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Well, he's getting some sort of information out.

1RTK1 said:
most pilots at my airport don't even know what the wings program is, they might know Dan on youtube though.
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That's called a "lose-lose" situation.
 

Income Stats Summary for Probable Cause: Dan Gryder​

2024-06-01Sat106K-6.4M+6,611$1 - $30
2024-05-16Thu106K-6.4M-$0 - $0
Last 15 Days-+6,611$1 - $30

Yeah, he getting rich off of that youtube stuff.
 
1RTK1 said:
How so, I haven's seen him tell people to be reckless in any manor. He seems to care about decreasing GA accidents, is that bad??
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It appears to me he’s creating a more adversarial relationship between pilots and the FAA.
 
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