I wish Dan and everyone else a speedy recovery. I’d watch more of his videos if he just played the banjo.
Over on Facebook, a guy who claims to know all three occupants of the aircraft says that "The NTSB guy no sh*t says to Dan Gryder: can’t wait to hear u tell me what caused u to crash!!!"![]()
Mechanical stuff can and does happen. Had a brake shatter and lock up on me last year in my Luscombe. Not much you can do about those things except for preventative maintenance, and even that's not 100%.If only that pilot had some AQP training this would not have happened.
A bit of irony with that posters username with it veering to the left.
Watch the tailwheel when it touches. It wobbles and spins around completely and then the airplane goes left while holding right x-wind correction and rudder.I may be wrong, but it looks to me as if the rudders move to the right just after the plane starts going left. Mechanical issue of some sort?
Yep, looked the same from here. I'm also curious why differential braking wasn't enough to save things. By the time the tail came down it was going very slow.I may be wrong, but it looks to me as if the rudders move to the right just after the plane starts going left. Mechanical issue of some sort?
Other thing is the effect of heavy airplane on grass. It's an eery feeling when you start skidding towards the trees! Pilot could have stomped on the right brake and the airplane started to skid sideways toward the tree.OK, I see that now - thanks for pointing it out.
That must be a terrible feeling to be pushing the right pedal as hard as you can while it's heading left, straight into a tree.
Looks much better than he did yesterday.The facebook post, as screenshots for easier reading:
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Does the Electra have a locking tailwheel?Watch the tailwheel when it touches. It wobbles and spins around completely and then the airplane goes left while holding right x-wind correction and rudder.
It's hard to do what may be the only thing that can sometimes pull you out of that predicament - i.e. adding power (especially true if you're heading right) and creating some more effectiveness of the contol surfaces.That must be a terrible feeling to be pushing the right pedal as hard as you can while it's heading left, straight into a tree.
According to Barry Schiff, yes:Does the Electra have a locking tailwheel?
I don't think this was a brake issue - it is pretty clear in the video that the tailwheel was not locked. That alone could easily be enough to start that accident sequence. Could have been forgotten or could have broken. Weak brakes and short grass runway give you no margin for error.Let us suppose the right brakes were not correctly assembled when the right strut was repaired.
A normal touchdown, brakes gently applied on both sides, the plane starts turning to the left, full right rudder is applied, along with more brakes both sides, but right is totally not working. As the plane slows, the rudders become useless, and the turn from brakes, left side only, increases, until the tree is impacted.
With a relatively short runway, aborting the landing and going around is not an alternative.
Separately, if mixture did not stop the right engine, kill the mags, and close the fuel selector. They were all very fortunate that there was no fire.
I wonder who created the cumbersome iPad checklist?
So seeing it spin around means it 1) wasn't locked or 2) locking mechanism was broken? I do not have a tailwheel endorsement but I understood you locked the tailwheel on takeoff and landing and unlocked to taxi? Am I correct?According to Barry Schiff, yes:
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That is correct. Just like on the DC-3 and Beech 18 that both pilots have flown.So seeing it spin around means it 1) wasn't locked or 2) locking mechanism was broken? I do not have a tailwheel endorsement but I understood you locked the tailwheel on takeoff and landing and unlocked to taxi? Am I correct?
That tree has sure taken a lichen to Dan.
That is correct. Just like on the DC-3 and Beech 18 that both pilots have flown.
If you're veering left, applying more left brake would appear to be in error.Let us suppose the right brakes were not correctly assembled when the right strut was repaired.
A normal touchdown, brakes gently applied on both sides, the plane starts turning to the left, full right rudder is applied, along with more brakes both sides, but right is totally not working. As the plane slows, the rudders become useless, and the turn from brakes, left side only, increases, until the tree is impacted.
With a relatively short runway, aborting the landing and going around is not an alternative.
Separately, if mixture did not stop the right engine, kill the mags, and close the fuel selector. They were all very fortunate that there was no fire.
I wonder who created the cumbersome iPad checklist?
I can absolutely see this accident and the one where the Vision jet went into the drink being similar. You push the brake pedals, the right brake fails, and your instinct is to push the brake pedals harder. It takes a half second of rational thought (not instinctive reaction) to figure out that something's wrong and what worked all those times before isn't the solution this time. Kinda like the people who mistakenly hit the gas pedal instead of the brake and jam it to the floor trying to stop, all while the car accelerates madly...If you're veering left, applying left more left break would appear to be in error.
Yes, it could be that sort of error.I can absolutely see this accident and the one where the Vision jet went into the drink being similar. You push the brake pedals, the right brake fails, and your instinct is to push the brake pedals harder. It takes a half second of rational thought (not instinctive reaction) to figure out that something's wrong and what worked all those times before isn't the solution this time. Kinda like the people who mistakenly hit the gas pedal instead of the brake and jam it to the floor trying to stop, all while the car accelerates madly...
Man, there needs to be a professional speculator involved. Paging blancolirio
Oak-ay, but I think he was just stumped by the tree-mendously bad situation he ended up in.That tree has sure taken a lichen to Dan.
Claims they didn't use the checklist and used full flaps on takeoff....from the guy that crashed a 150 full flapsGood old Dan. He can't even give an account of his own accident without giving his opinion on the one in Chino. Special kind of guy.
Note, too, that if you’re pushing both toe brake pedals and apply right rudder at the same time, you’ll likely increase left brake pressure due to the geometry of your legs & feet.I can absolutely see this accident and the one where the Vision jet went into the drink being similar. You push the brake pedals, the right brake fails, and your instinct is to push the brake pedals harder. It takes a half second of rational thought (not instinctive reaction) to figure out that something's wrong and what worked all those times before isn't the solution this time. Kinda like the people who mistakenly hit the gas pedal instead of the brake and jam it to the floor trying to stop, all while the car accelerates madly...