I certainly would. Frankly, I don't think the cyber truck is a truck. I'm not sure what the hell it is.I'm thinking that would make sense, but if you're doing that, you could probably go with a more traditional-looking EV Truck, no?
I certainly would. Frankly, I don't think the cyber truck is a truck. I'm not sure what the hell it is.I'm thinking that would make sense, but if you're doing that, you could probably go with a more traditional-looking EV Truck, no?
No reason to wonder. It’s a reality. Many regret leasing the land. They have a huge environmental impact.I wonder how windmills would do in that situation?
They sure look like fans.No reason to wonder. It’s a reality. Many regret leasing the land. They have a huge environmental impact.
When I was living in western Kansas they put one in just a few miles down the road. Was not a fan.
Yeah. They do.They sure look like fans.
There was a great documentary on this. They can put them just far away from a house that if they fall, they won't hit it. The shadows cast on their houses was driving some of them crazy... it was like a strobe all the time. Between that and the noise, it was overwhelming.No reason to wonder. It’s a reality. Many regret leasing the land. They have a huge environmental impact.
When I was living in western Kansas they put one in just a few miles down the road. Was not a fan.
Living near Austin, I see hundreds of these ugly wannabe trucks. I drive by a train depot where they load them onto trains. I think if you asked a 4 year old to draw you a truck, they'd do better than this! Hopefully I'm not being vague on how I feel about these hideous things...
Actually, nearly every train on the rails today is electric. Most of them carry a diesel generator to generate the electricity.Only in high population densities and short routes between them…
Rural America will be the last place to see electrification. If ever. They still don’t have the electric trains you speak of.
No ****.Actually, nearly every train on the rails today is electric. Most of them carry a diesel generator to generate the electricity.
Diesel-Electric Locomotives
Although diesel locomotives first came to American railroads in the 1920s, their use was confined to switch engines, and later to passenger train locomotives. It wasn't until 1940 that the Electro Motive Division of General Motors (EMD) demonstrated that diesels could practically replace steam...www.up.com
That guys is obviously a troll . No logical person would buy an electric truck to tow a travel trailer. Even if they did why not get a Lightning or Silverado EV over a Tundra.My decision, as expressed in a Facebook post:
Bottom line: $99,990 for the AWD “Foundation” model. Compare that to what Elon teased in 2019:
lolThat guys is obviously a troll.
Except when the travel trailer powers itself.That guys is obviously a troll . No logical person would buy an electric truck to tow a travel trailer. Even if they did why not get a Lightning or Silverado EV over a Tundra.
Hey, I’m driving a 2007 Prius that has 250,000 miles on it… for real.If everyone made logical decisions with the salvation of the planet in mind they would be driving base model Camry's they bought 20 years ago or a new one they plan to keep for the next 20. If you want an electric car for the performance, image, or a status symbol then do so. Just don't be one of those people pretending you are saving the environment every time you turn your lease in for the next hottest car.
I dunno, it's basically a Ford Lightning (or insert EV example here) with extra interior space and no need for a ton of the safety/infotainment gadgetry. I'd think that you could probably make a small version (20'-25') for $120K as minimalist as they showed in the video. Those Class C examples have to purchase an existing Ford/Ram/Mercedes chassis and then build it out. You can buy new 30' travel trailers for $30K-$40K all day long. So can they take a basic EV drivetrain/battery and adapt it to a $40K trailer? I don't see why not. The problem is convincing people to spend 3-4Xs the money for a travel trailer over a traditional model. I can buy a TON of fuel for the extra $80K it takes to buy an EV travel trailer.Cool! But no way they can sell them for that. Look what Winnebago Class C’s are going for:
Albeit a motor home and not a trailer, but still…
Cool! But no way they can sell them for that. Look what Winnebago Class C’s are going for:
Albeit a motor home and not a trailer, but still…
Lol, I edited my comment to suggest the Airstream guys. Definitely a class of buyer who pays a ton for the name/visual appeal (and some increased quality as well).$125K is the bottom end of the lux 5W market or Airstream market. I’d be more worried about tongue weight/TV payload limits on a bumper pull. Plus it’s an incredibly niche consumer segment.
So, say they build it out at 5K curb weight, and have a battery pack that can run it 250 miles on a charge. Should be doable for those who are just running 2-3 hours down the road right? Charge at that campsite off of Level 2 30A charging all day (while also having to power A/C/fridge/stove/etc), tow back home with a full charge. I think the campgrounds would have to adjust their electric fee for those, as they certainly aren't planning on an RV pulling full 30A load for 12 hours straight, lol.$125K is the bottom end of the lux 5W market or Airstream market. I’d be more worried about tongue weight/TV payload limits on a bumper pull. Plus it’s an incredibly niche consumer segment.
ETA: they’re spec’ing 27ft & 7500 GVWR. Considering a model 3 is 4k lbs and an X plaid is the chunkster at 5400lbs, I’m skeptical. Then, will a standard 30A or 50A campground outlet fit the needs? Lots of handwaving at the practicals of RVing.
Yup. But the early adopters will get a free ride until the sites figure it out.So, say they build it out at 5K curb weight, and have a battery pack that can run it 250 miles on a charge. Should be doable for those who are just running 2-3 hours down the road right? Charge at that campsite off of Level 2 30A charging all day (while also having to power A/C/fridge/stove/etc), tow back home with a full charge. I think the campgrounds would have to adjust their electric fee for those, as they certainly aren't planning on an RV pulling full 30A load for 12 hours straight, lol.Yu
So, say they build it out at 5K curb weight, and have a battery pack that can run it 250 miles on a charge. Should be doable for those who are just running 2-3 hours down the road right? Charge at that campsite off of Level 2 30A charging all day (while also having to power A/C/fridge/stove/etc), tow back home with a full charge. I think the campgrounds would have to adjust their electric fee for those, as they certainly aren't planning on an RV pulling full 30A load for 12 hours straight, lol.
Yeah I've had it with mine. This last software update was the final straw for me. I'm sure they'll fix all the problems eventually, but this one was so bad all the crap I paid extra for is useless so WTF? I can't believe more people aren't complaining. I've heard very little about it.Had the typical Tesla SC experience today. Needed to replaced the top windows on my rear (Falcon Wing) doors because Tesla uses a crappy rubber trim. Can’t replace the trim. No, the entire window with new trim must be replaced.
Anyway, took 3.5 hrs (not bad) for both sides but when it was done, I noticed the left side didn’t look as well aligned as the right. When I shut the door it made a creaking sound but I thought it was the strut. Got home, did another walk around and found a big crack on top. Going back tomorrow to get fixed free of charge.
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Last I saw, some months ago, was the Tesla Energy's wait list for Megapacks (grid-level backup) was two years. Hawaii recently put a Megapack site online and it replaces a peeker-plant. They also have a lot of solar and wind generation which is much more useful with the grid backup.or the entire Power grid before too many more people flood in and we start enjoying the daily blackouts in August and September.
They shouldn't. That isn't government's role. Their role is infrastructure and they've even messed that up. When they made funding available for public charging infrastructure they required the use of a charging standard (CCS1) than less than half of the EVs in the US have and that all of the manufacturers are abandoning because they didn't like the politics of the CEO of the company that made the majority of the US' EVs.My question is this, if these EV's are so super awesome, why do we need to incentivize people to buy them?
Who has that business model? Why would anyone sign up for that?"We are going come to your house and drain some fuel out of your car occasionally. We may or may not replace it at some later time, but if we empty your tank we'll give you a credit on your next bill at whatever we determine the going rate to be."
Do you really think that this is an acceptable business model? Why or why not?
Last I saw, some months ago, was the Tesla Energy's wait list for Megapacks (grid-level backup) was two years. Hawaii recently put a Megapack site online and it replaces a peeker-plant. They also have a lot of solar and wind generation which is much more useful with the grid.
If Tesla Energy has a two-year waiting list then the demand for such megapacks must be strong. Hence the need for the factor in your area.This has nothing to do with Tesla. This factory only makes grid backup batteries.
My brother has a few Tesla PowerWalls and a large solar array on his house, and he has a pretty sweet deal with the power company. It isn't "whatever we determine the going rate to be"... It's a predetermined fixed fee, he kicks back 3kWh to the grid from his battery and gets paid nearly $37 each time. That's 100 *times* what I pay for power. Then he recharges it from solar for free.Let's think about this in terms of a car that nearly everyone owns today.
What would your response be if the utility came to you and said:
"We are going come to your house and drain some fuel out of your car occasionally. We may or may not replace it at some later time, but if we empty your tank we'll give you a credit on your next bill at whatever we determine the going rate to be."
Do you really think that this is an acceptable business model? Why or why not?
Even if solar on the vehicle would work for your application, it'd still be cheaper and easier to have stationary solar and plug the truck in. On-vehicle solar is unlikely to ever be worthwhile for much more than a few niche use cases.That would still work for my application. I think my uncle probably averaged 3-5 miles on his truck per day at the ranch.
Early on, the reason for incentives is to encourage enough adoption that the manufacturers can pay off their R&D costs in a reasonable amount of time by making consumer prices close enough to parity that unit sales are sufficient to make the R&D investment worthwhile.My question is this, if these EV's are so super awesome, why do we need to incentivize people to buy them? Shouldn't they just, you know, sell themselves?
Keep in mind, that was $50k for a bare bones base model, while the $100K "foundation series" has every bell and whistle there is. Inflation has taken the $50K to $61K as well.My decision, as expressed in a Facebook post:
Bottom line: $99,990 for the AWD “Foundation” model. Compare that to what Elon teased in 2019:
Forget electric. My dream is that someday I'll be able to buy one and get a travel trailer, after Tesla solves the self-driving and self-charging problems, and then I'll be able to pack my stuff and send it ahead to an airport near my destination, fly there and drive it the last mile.That guys is obviously a troll . No logical person would buy an electric truck to tow a travel trailer. Even if they did why not get a Lightning or Silverado EV over a Tundra.
People really got to get past the truck aspect or any justification for buying one. It's a toy and status symbol just like every other EV out there.
Except when the travel trailer powers itself.
Lightship’s Electric RV Is a Battery Beast That Basically Tows Itself
Lightship’s all-electric L1 RV doesn’t reduce range when it’s being towed and can expand to 10 feet when stationary.www.inverse.com
"The L1 has its own 80kWH battery that powers an electric drivetrain... This way, you won't have any range or miles per gallon lost"
Lightship’s Electric RV Is a Battery Beast That Basically Tows Itself
Lightship’s all-electric L1 RV doesn’t reduce range when it’s being towed and can expand to 10 feet when stationary.www.inverse.com
That's probably going to be the real issue. While many campgrounds are equipped with 120V/30A TT-30 and/or 240V/50A 14-50 outlets, they generally do not have main power feeds that can keep up with sustained peak loads such as EV charging. All of this stuff is going to need to be able to charge at reduced rates. However, use of some smart-grid tech locally, potentially combined with some solar, might go a long way toward solving this.Then, will a standard 30A or 50A campground outlet fit the needs? Lots of handwaving at the practicals of RVing.
Rule 1 to understand: Incentives are not for the buyer. They allow the manufacturer to sell at a higher price. If you’re buying an apple for $1 and I give you another dollar so the apple seller can sell it at $2, you should be indifferent.My question is this, if these EV's are so super awesome, why do we need to incentivize people to buy them? Shouldn't they just, you know, sell themselves?
There was no “Buy” option in 2019. Just to put a refundable $100 down for a position, and no price was locked in. I don’t recall even having to specify which model I was wanting.If you clicked “Buy” back in 2019, was the price locked in?
That "subscription" model will prevent me from buying one. Period. Not interested.At the current price of $8,000, no way. But it’s now available for $99/month, and I’d consider buying a month here and there for road trips. At a lower monthly rate it would be close to a no-brainer, especially as its capabilities improve.
NO subscription is required to enjoy a very complete feature set in a Tesla, including Autopilot. A feature set that grows over time at zero cost via Over-the-Air software updates.That "subscription" model will prevent me from buying one. Period. Not interested.
Either I own the vehicle 100% when I hand them a check or I will not make the purchase; I have zero interest in playing those sort of cash-siphoning revenue games and validating that mindset from a manufacturer.
Each revision improves the smoothness of how it drives.In town, even in the “Chill” setting, acceleration and deceleration were far more aggressive than the way I drive. More tiring to be constantly monitoring it than just driving.
No subscriptions are required.That "subscription" model will prevent me from buying one. Period. Not interested.