I agree...more about a principle than the fee itself...which is about $20 for a landing only.
KBFA, a private owned public field at a ski lodge, northern Michigan.
Interesting. Do they really think that the Jet-A burning crowd is going to go to *Michigan* to ski? No. Those types are going to the Rockies. Or the Alps, depending on the size of their jet.
What has become of our country is that cameras are everywhere, and we are not exactly known for forgiveness. If you have EVER had even a misdemeanor conviction, you'll be telling every future potential employer about it and you'll miss out on many opportunities. One simple mistake can make your life much more difficult!
Problem is, a system based on cameras and ADS-B with automatic billing by a third party after the fact isn't something that the lodge can just waive. At best they could give you a discount of the amount of the landing fee.
KAZO is only for 8,000 lb and over also. Won't apply to my 177 unless I'm WAYYY overweight.What's the intersection of how contract controllers (e.g. BTL) work and funding sources? Where does that money come from? I guess I'm not sure why a tower is contract vs. FAA controllers.
ALSO- BTL Landing Fee Structure: Landing fees are charged to any transient aircraft over and including 8,000 pounds. Effective July 1, 2024.
So not affecting the flying horses at all
Yes, but my point is that it's not the jet crowd doing that. They've either got a mansion on Lake Geneva, or they're using their jet to go farther away. It's the 100LL burners who would fly places that close.
I suppose. I have flown people to BEH for golf.
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…or have to taxi back to parking before you get a takeoff clearance because an alarmist on the ramp mistook your retractable boarding step for something dragging behind your plane and called the tower. That was how I got a double landing fee from Vector at KSMO.They even charge for low passes:
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Their brochure also promotes overflight fees. The best strategy is to stay > 5nm away from any Vector airport, unless you NEED to be there, and are willing to take on the fees. Hope you land it the first time, and don’t need a go-around.
They're not supposed to, but the automated system does screw up now and then. Even people in the Facebook "***** about Vector group" (I can't remember what it's called now, they just changed the name) have posted about getting refunds successfully.They even charge for low passes:
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Their brochure also promotes overflight fees. The best strategy is to stay > 5nm away from any Vector airport, unless you NEED to be there, and are willing to take on the fees. Hope you land it the first time, and don’t need a go-around.
There are no "overflight fees" in the US. That is specifically for other countries that have for a long time charged you to fly though their airspace without landing in the country. Or.. "over fly" their country.
The US does charge overflight fees to foreign carriers overflying the country. These fees help pay for the Essential Air Service program.
Sorry, good point. I was just pointing out there's no reason for owners of US GA planes (or any other US plane) to get all in an uproar because the Website says they can deal with charging overflight fees.
Excuse me; this is the internet.
Sir, this is a Wendy's.
you're not going to win me over trying to convince me that we shouldn't be concerned about this company and their service. Making money by promising an airport more revenue for providing NO SERVICE is not something I will ever respect or support.
Nobody's trying to "win you over" or sing Vector's praises. I read the clarification you're reacting to as an attempt to redirect attention toward how Vector actually operates in the US and tamp down a little on the general FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) regarding their operations elsewhere that don't affect US GA.
lol ok. I'm not that gullible
If the US ever allows fees to be charged for people like you and me to fly our planes over a particular piece of property, it won't be because Vector exists. That's not saying it won't ever happen, and that's not being gullible. That's understanding the distinction between different threats facing GA and where they're coming from.
I disagree. The companies whole purpose is to make money by making it easy for entities to bill aircraft owners.
The point is that the same things stopping you from creating a company to bill planes for overflying your house are the same things stopping Vector. The fact that Vector exists doesn't change the laws/regulations governing airspace in the US.
Is is fair to assume you've never run a business or been involved in a larger entity (or at least not in the budgeting)? Most of the airports are not doing anything that they weren't already doing, they're just doing it more efficiently.
Perhaps you believe that just because someone doesn't have a right to your money, that means they can't bill you? Vector is doing it all the time already. Billing people for using taxpayer funded resources is also not legitimate, but they are doing it. Why? Because a lot of people pay without even thinking about it. Doesn't make it ok.
No, but I believe that Vector will not start billing people to overfly parts of the US for the same reasons that I believe companies that track car license plates will not bill people for driving on public roads.
There is already a KML file you can pull into ForeFlight, but I can't seem to attach either a KML or a ZIP file here.
would love to acquire
