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(this will probably best be answered by the ATC controller on this website)

I just learned that part of going solo mean all landings are to a full stop before initiating takeoff

can any controllers explain why the FAA has had this policy?

comments appreciated
 
I think the idea is less to go wrong when things slow down. On a 'roll & go' there is potential to get out of sequence, or forget to fly while you are moving flaps and such.
 
classicrock said:
(this will probably best be answered by the ATC controller on this website)

I just learned that part of going solo mean all landings are to a full stop before initiating takeoff

can any controllers explain why the FAA has had this policy?

comments appreciated
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Assuming this is something your instructor is telling you? It's a good idea to make it a full stop on your first solo and early on, that way you have less to focus on than doing a touch and go.

I'm don't think there are any FAA regulations on this.
 
What I was told was that at first its better to go full stop so you have a chance to collect yourself after the landing, reset the airplane and go again. A lot of students may be overwhelmed and to reset the airplane, flaps up, carb heat, directional control, trim, aileron upwind, etc, for a touch and go may invite disaster for a new solo student.
 
I just did 3 touch n goes. Well more exact I did two touch n goes one go around and one full stop LOL.
 
I have not heard of this before but I make sure that my students are competent to make touch n go's before they do them solo. If they are not comfortable doing so they don't have to. I want them to have as many tools as I can give them.

David
 
Just get a lot of touch and go practice with your instructor before solo and you'll be fine. Mostly its just raising flaps, going to full power and putting carb heat to cold if you didn't already on short final.
 
The FAA has no such policy. Perhaps a local procedure, but I really doubt it.

Much more likely, it's a club, school, or CFI policy. It IS a good idea.

How would the FAA control that at an uncontrolled field?
 
We had the same rule at our club. I was under the impression it was a club rule also, but I guess I never did explicitly ask.
 
Never heard of such a rule probably a requirement of your instructor.
 
I'm not a CFI but if I were, I'd probably have students on their first solo do three full stops with taxi backs. That would give them time to relax between each one, reflect on the landing they just made and calmly reset them self and the airplane before another circuit.


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classicrock said:
(this will probably best be answered by the ATC controller on this website)

I just learned that part of going solo mean all landings are to a full stop before initiating takeoff

can any controllers explain why the FAA has had this policy?

comments appreciated
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The FAA has no policy, the school does, and it's really not a bad one. Think about it for a moment, you are putting the two most hazardous phases of flight together back to back with a reconfiguration and minimum time to think. It's just not real wise even though it happens all the time.
 
I think your question has been answered! It's not an FAA thing. It's a cfi, club or flight school requirement.
 
I did touch and goes as a student, I've always had my students do touch and goes as well, if you can't handle a touch and go you ain't ready to solo IMHO.
 
James331 said:
I did touch and goes as a student, I've always had my students do touch and goes as well, if you can't handle a touch and go you ain't ready to solo IMHO.
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So did I, but I'll admit, not on my "first solo" flight. They were all stop and taxi back.

Great thing about the airport I trained out of was 9,000' runways (we went to a smaller airport for first solo), so I had plenty of room for Stop and Gos, which are great for night currency.
 
I prefer stop and goes... reason being that when I do touch and goes I don't usually slow enough to get the full effect of the power up and don't exercise my right leg enough.
 
rolivi said:
I prefer stop and goes... reason being that when I do touch and goes I don't usually slow enough to get the full effect of the power up and don't exercise my right leg enough.
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That's one reason. Another is getting the crosswind correction right at low Speed on rollout. Still another is to avoid missing checklist items on complex aircraft.
 
I appreciate everyone's answers. I was assuming that it was an FAA regulation-my instructor never claimed it was. when I next speak to him, I'll ask if its just the flying school policy.

in responding to several other people's postings in this thread, apparently "touch and goes" seem to stress out many pilot's(newer? student?). it did to me at first, but not anymore.
 
classicrock said:
I appreciate everyone's answers. I was assuming that it was an FAA regulation-my instructor never claimed it was. when I next speak to him, I'll ask if its just the flying school policy.

in responding to several other people's postings in this thread, apparently "touch and goes" seem to stress out many pilot's(newer? student?). it did to me at first, but not anymore.
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The biggest issue is flaps up after landing... It's happened enough times to student pilots that schools/cfis choose to not allow it.

Personally, I've never had a problem with T&Gs, and I'm sure many pilots are the same. But full flaps on take-off can lead to bad things happening. It's a definite safety issue. I'm of the mind of a few others who mentioned that a student pilot who can't properly execute a T&G probably ought not to be allowed to solo.
 
sourdough44 said:
I would think runway length would come into play also.
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It sure does.

It should make you nervous if you can't safely abort a takeoff at any point while still on the ground.

2300 feet is plenty for a full stop, and it's adequate for a good touch'n'go. It's short if you float halfway down the field, and I see people do that sort of thing on a daily basis. Almost every student pilot approaches too damn fast, and clear the berm at DER by way too little.
 
MAKG1 said:
It sure does.

It should make you nervous if you can't safely abort a takeoff at any point while still on the ground.

2300 feet is plenty for a full stop, and it's adequate for a good touch'n'go. It's short if you float halfway down the field, and I see people do that sort of thing on a daily basis. Almost every student pilot approaches too damn fast, and clear the berm at DER by way too little.
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If you're floating down half the runway, you should not have soloed.
 
The flight school I learned at told students no solo touch-and-goes. Too much things going was their opinion. This, in fact, caused me problems. What I had not realized during my touch-and-goes is that my flight instructor had been raising the flaps on power application. Since I'd never done them solo, I'd not noticed until I failed to raise them on my checkride. I headed drastically on the nosewheel towards the end of the runway before I got it under control. I figured I'd failed at that point (nobody told me that they told you right away if you busted something). This led to a revelation later on as we were parking the aircraft.

EXAMINER: You should practice your touch and goes.
ME: The school doesn't let us do those solo.
EXAMINER: That's only for students, you're a private pilot now.

that was the first point where I'd realized I'd passed the ride.
 
Only time I do stop and go's is for night currency really. Beats taxiing back to the runway. I do T&G's for day currency and right after any kind of maintenance on the plane, oil change, etc. I like to stay in the pattern for a while before going anywhere to rule out any leaks, or problems.

I did TONs of T&G's as a student though, but very little stop and go's come to think of it. Like Ron, I also had an occasion where I totally forgot about the flaps on the go, I lifted off waaay early and managed to clean it up without issue, but that was probably the only time that I've forgotten to raise the flaps on the go.
 
James331 said:
If you're floating down half the runway, you should not have soloed.
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1000 feet of float isn't all that much for a solo student pilot. It's barely more than twice PTS. And it's adequate as long as you're not trying to take off again.

You don't seriously require PTS of your students before solo, do you?
 
classicrock said:
(this will probably best be answered by the ATC controller on this website)

I just learned that part of going solo mean all landings are to a full stop before initiating takeoff

can any controllers explain why the FAA has had this policy?

comments appreciated
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Have you considered looking in Part 91 and the AIM to try to find such a "policy"?

Always, always, say "Show me where it says that." If you do not, your training will largely consist of Old Wive's Tales.

Bob Gardner
 
I did 7 touch n go's on my solo. 6000' runway and a 172 gives plenty of time to slow down and make sure everything is good to go before adding power.
 
classicrock said:
(this will probably best be answered by the ATC controller on this website)

I just learned that part of going solo mean all landings are to a full stop before initiating takeoff

can any controllers explain why the FAA has had this policy?

comments appreciated
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The first three landings as a student flying solo have to be full stop. These are done in front of your CFI on the ground.

And the CFI needs to be informed when you go on any solo flight. Technically, as a student you are still flying on the CFIs ticket.
 
d5by5 said:
The first three landings as a student flying solo have to be full stop. These are done in front of your CFI on the ground.

And the CFI needs to be informed when you go on any solo flight. Technically, as a student you are still flying on the CFIs ticket.
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Which FAR says that "the first three landings as a student flying solo have to be full stop?"

-Genuinely curious.
 
I practiced at a field with two runways 4/22 which was 8101x150' and 14/32 which was 5000x100'. My first CFI said I couldn't to touch and go's except if it was on 4/22...

Later, when I was finishing up my private, the second guy I worked with was telling me to go out and practice short fields... I mentioned that the wind was favoring 14 and I couldn't do T&Gs.... he said "If you can't do touch and gos on a 5000' runway by now you're not ready." He ended up re-signing my solo endorsement and taking off that restriction..
 
d5by5 said:
The first three landings as a student flying solo have to be full stop. These are done in front of your CFI on the ground.

And the CFI needs to be informed when you go on any solo flight. Technically, as a student you are still flying on the CFIs ticket.
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Of those 4 statements, only 1 is true.

Do you like making stuff up and passing it as fact?
 
SkyHog said:
Of those 4 statements, only 1 is true.

Do you like making stuff up and passing it as fact?
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Which one do you think is true? All four statements are wrong in my book.
 
flyingron said:
Which one do you think is true? All four statements are wrong in my book.
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The CFI needs to be informed before solo flight

Although, I suppose more accurately stated would be "A CFI needs to be informed...."
 
MAKG1 said:
1000 feet of float isn't all that much for a solo student pilot. It's barely more than twice PTS. And it's adequate as long as you're not trying to take off again.

You don't seriously require PTS of your students before solo, do you?
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They should be able to do touch and goes on a standard issue uncontrolled 2,500' runway without any doubt IMO.


With good fundamentals it's not too hard to teach most folks to be able to do their takeoffs and landings with a good degree of accuracy by first solo.

If you're crossing the fence a vref you won't be able to float 1,000 with the power out :yes:
 
SkyHog said:
The CFI needs to be informed before solo flight

Although, I suppose more accurately stated would be "A CFI needs to be informed...."
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Solo flights are "supervised" per the FAR's. Therefore, I require my students to inform me when they are going to fly solo (via email, phone or text with a time and date) and I want them to let me know how they did afterwards just so I know. The latter is nice to know info and it tells me they got back safely also.

David
 
James331 said:
They should be able to do touch and goes on a standard issue uncontrolled 2,500' runway without any doubt IMO.


With good fundamentals it's not too hard to teach most folks to be able to do their takeoffs and landings with a good degree of accuracy by first solo.

If you're crossing the fence a vref you won't be able to float 1,000 with the power out :yes:
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I agree. It's amazing on this site to see how many pilots think a 2500 foot runway is a real short runway. I operated out of two of these for the majority of the time I flew! It's a no brainier for a 172, or a mooney. An aerostar and a turbo commander also used one of these airports often. ( paved) about six months ago, a piper turbo twin landed with three on board, used about half the runway both landing and taking off. Wind was very light. I can't remember the name or model, anyone? ( I was told to full stop until I got some time on my own. Made sense so I did it.)
 
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