What We Crazy Pilots do When Not Flying!!

At 1:30 this morning I am was able to test this build with an empty case firing pin is almost dead center...

I Have Posted a Video Remember It's 1:30am I Forgot The Safety HEHEHE!!! A Little Fine Tuning And Off To the Range... I Go!

See Video...
 
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I get "Sorry this is a private video" when I try to watch that. Upload it to YouTube. Myspace sucks.
 
Not all 100% but only have final fit and finish to go...

My wall of AK's

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Nice. My wall of guns are currently stored ... I didn't think a wall of guns in the ghetto would be the best plan.
 
Nice. My wall of guns are currently stored ... I didn't think a wall of guns in the ghetto would be the best plan.


Yea, I have about 15 or so more but I have to make a new rack to fit them all that rack was built by my father in Jr high school for my grandfather that gave it to me when he died few years back so it cannot go.

Need to find a way to mount my browning 1919A4, M53, SG-43 Goryunov, Polish DPM28, British Sten, + Bunch more Most have been built by me except for the Case of 20 91/30's that I am doing a sport conversion's on because stocks are cracked on all but a couple but paid $35.00ea years ago so will be paying more for the stock then I did the rifle...

I am ready for the revolution. I have had way to much time on my hands so I use them for something hahahaha
 
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Memo to self:

Befriend NW_Pilot.
 
Anything under .50 cal is smallbore! Oh, yeah, I shoot muzzleloaders, and the only deer I ever got was with my repro 1863 Springfield Rifle-Musket (.58 cal :D ). We kept referring to 7.62 mm as "sub-caliber training devices". :D :D

Agreed.

I retired as commander of an infantry company, but was an Armor Platoon leader as an LT.

I always had to hold back from smiling when the grunts would talk about "shooting the heavy weapons."

The SAW fires 5.56, and the M-60 MG fires 7.62 belt-fed.

One M-1A2 fires 120mm Main Gun, has 7.62 coaxial MG, 7.62 Loaders mounted MG, and a Commander's .50 cal.

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Nice. My wall of guns are currently stored ... I didn't think a wall of guns in the ghetto would be the best plan.
Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking, too. In fact, with such attractive targets, I'm not sure it's particularly a good idea anywhere. I would not want that collection in the hands of the criminal element.

(And note that I'm talking specifically about accessibility to someone who breaks into the house when no one is home. You can find meth labs and undesireables just about anywhere.)

Nice display, though!
 
NWP, that's a might fine set of wall hangings there...
Can you imagine the headlines if the police were to bust into your apartment by mistake? hooooweeee baby, some of them liberal TV media people would be having epileptic fits...
Anyway, when not drooling over airplanes I fool with my boats, fly the RC helicopter, shoot 4" targets in the back meadow (mini IDPA course), do a little high speed CW on 160 meters, run another thousand rounds of .45 ACP through the Dillon... Generally manage to stay amused...

denny-o
 
when it's prefaced with the underlined above ... who you callin' hayseed, mr. city slicker? :ihih:

I usually reserve the term hayseed for the residents of highly rural areas such as parts of Southeastern Ohio. The term I use for residents of the suburbs of large urban metropolitan areas is most usually yuppie scum.

Hey, I thought it was really cool guys talking guns without the usual aspirations to Rambohood I often see in these sorts of things. Seriously, rock on, I think its cooler than hell building your own guns. All the schlubs I know (city slickers the lot of them) bought theirs. They look great. Hey, the gun display in that guy's house looks better than anything I got on the walls. The only thing I ever tried to build was character, and the Mrs. says I'm doing a lousy job of that.
 
Here is most of what I have...there is a shotgun and probably something else missing.
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My next purchase will probably be a Glock 36 or a Kimber 1911. Although -- you are making me interested in the whole building an AK thing.
 
Truly not trying to diss anyone here, but how do you protect those collections when you're not home? I know there are a lot of gun safes out there. Why did you opt not to go with one (or more) of those? Do you have them on a motion sensor with high explosives?
 
Truly not trying to diss anyone here, but how do you protect those collections when you're not home? I know there are a lot of gun safes out there. Why did you opt not to go with one (or more) of those? Do you have them on a motion sensor with high explosives?
Because one that would actually be effective is a good thousand pounds, several thousand dollars, and not apartment friendly. It was rather unlikely that someone was going to steal them from my previous location. My new ghetto location on the other hand -- very likely, which is why none of them are here (except for a handgun which leaves when I leave).
 
Because one that would actually be effective is a good thousand pounds, several thousand dollars, and not apartment friendly. It was rather unlikely that someone was going to steal them from my previous location. My new ghetto location on the other hand -- very likely, which is why none of them are here (except for a handgun which leaves when I leave).
Fair enough, I guess. And I'm glad that you don't have them out in your current situation! How about the "new" house. Will you keep them under lock and key there?
 
Fair enough, I guess. And I'm glad that you don't have them out in your current situation! How about the "new" house. Will you keep them under lock and key there?
Eventually -- but it is hard to justify a several thousand dollar safe when homeowners insurance would cover the loss. (Not that some of them are easily replaced with $).

I'll likely roll some sort of security system...but...you can't let the potential chance of there being people with bad intentions dictate everything you do.

Most "lock and key" solutions people do with guns are effective for keeping their honest kid out. Once someone breaks in ...it takes a lot of money and a lot of awkward weight (bolted to the floor) to stop them from stealing the items. It is pretty easy to pickup a cheap safe and walk out with it, or open the door with a crow bar.
 
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The rifle safe I have cost on the order of a couple hundred dollars, not a couple thousand. It would be pretty well stuffed with your collection, Jesse, but it's effective enough, and is pretty apartment friendly. I had it in two apartments in college. Probably weighs about 200-300 lbs.

Just my 2 cents. It's kinda like locking your car. It won't keep anyone out who really wants to get in, but it'll keep most people out who are too lazy to be bothered, and will move on to an easier target. You'd have to have some smarts (or set my house on fire with an oxy-acetylene torch) to get into my safe without the combination.
 
I would not want that collection in the hands of the criminal element.


I believe the OP is building SEMI-AUTO AK's which are no more dangerous than many hunting rifles.
 
I believe the OP is building SEMI-AUTO AK's which are no more dangerous than many hunting rifles.
I'm not saying they're more dangerous. I do think that they're more attractive to the criminal element because of a) their "cool" factor and b) in his (and Jesse's) case there are a number of them together.

And I'm not really from a hunting culture. Is it common to have a collection of hunting rifles comparable to these collections, or do most hunters have one or two rifles?:dunno:

And I acknowledge that laws won't keep guns out of the hands of criminals. What will keep them out of the criminals' hands is making sure that they can't easily get at the guns that we own lawfully. Does it suck that we need to bear the cost of their malfeasance? Sure it does. That doesn't remove the responsibility, though.
 
I'm not saying they're more dangerous. I do think that they're more attractive to the criminal element because of a) their "cool" factor and b) in his (and Jesse's) case there are a number of them together.

And I'm not really from a hunting culture. Is it common to have a collection of hunting rifles comparable to these collections, or do most hunters have one or two rifles?:dunno:

And I acknowledge that laws won't keep guns out of the hands of criminals. What will keep them out of the criminals' hands is making sure that they can't easily get at the guns that we own lawfully. Does it suck that we need to bear the cost of their malfeasance? Sure it does. That doesn't remove the responsibility, though.



Hunters run the gammot of having one rifle and/or shotgun to having multiple rifles, shotguns and pistols for different uses, and types of game. There is no stereotypcial "hunter" with regards to the number of firearms. I am all for keeping firearms secure, but when they are behind locked doors and a criminal chooses to break in and break the law and steal them, its not the legal gun owner's fault, its the CRIMINALS FAULT.
 
...Is it common to have a collection of hunting rifles comparable to these collections, or do most hunters have one or two rifles?...
Depends on who you ask, I guess.

My wife says "don't you have enough guns?"

To which I respond "If I remove the shelves on the other side of the safe, I have room for 12 more, so, 'No, I don't have enough guns'."

Whereas she simply rolls her eyes, shakes her head and walks out of the room.
 
My next purchase will probably be a Glock 36 or a Kimber 1911. Although -- you are making me interested in the whole building an AK thing.

My son bought a Kimber 1911 and we took it to the range. That is one sweet .45! I like it much better than the Glock because I find the heavier gun easier to hit the target with. I'd never heard of Kimber but that one's a honey!

John
 
The rifle safe I have cost on the order of a couple hundred dollars, not a couple thousand. It would be pretty well stuffed with your collection, Jesse, but it's effective enough, and is pretty apartment friendly. I had it in two apartments in college. Probably weighs about 200-300 lbs.
Ted -- the problem is that you can bust into something like that in about a minute with a crowbar. Or you can just pick it up and carry it out with another guy. Something like that is really only effective at keeping your mostly honest kid out of your guns -- which is a problem I don't have.
 
Depends on who you ask, I guess.

My wife says "don't you have enough guns?"

To which I respond "If I remove the shelves on the other side of the safe, I have room for 12 more, so, 'No, I don't have enough guns'."

Whereas she simply rolls her eyes, shakes her head and walks out of the room.

Try asking her if she has enough shoes. Bet the discussion changes... ;)
 
And I acknowledge that laws won't keep guns out of the hands of criminals. What will keep them out of the criminals' hands is making sure that they can't easily get at the guns that we own lawfully. Does it suck that we need to bear the cost of their malfeasance? Sure it does. That doesn't remove the responsibility, though.
Protecting them just isn't that realistic. I mean -- it's pretty damn simple to bust through the glass into a gun store, bust open the glass case, and steal 100 guns in less than a minute. How much financial strain do you want to put on that mom and pop gun store to try and make it where no one could steal a gun? They'd go broke trying.

I do agree that you should put some effort towards stopping the mostly honest. The actual criminals on the other hand is more work. I'm not saying that I wouldn't like a super-duper 1500 lb safe. I'm just saying that at this point I can't justify that cost when I've got way higher priorities.

It is pretty easy for a criminal to steal an airplane. Should we require that they go in bullet-proof, unbreakable safes? I mean -- it isn't hard to kick open a hangar door, open the big door, and fly away. You could run drugs with it or something!
 
My old marshal arts master died a few months ago at the age of 84. He started out as a grunt in the Marine Corps and fought in Korea in the 1950s. He then went on to become an attorney and also became an officer. While in Japan, he started martial arts training and eventually in later life became a 10th Dom.

Several weeks before he died he told me this: "If I could undo just one thing in my life, that would be the lives I've taken."

Give a whole lot of thought about "defending your home and family" and the way you are going to do it. What seems wise now, could become a tremendous burden to lug around for the rest of your own.

John
 
My old marshal arts master died a few months ago at the age of 84. He started out as a grunt in the Marine Corps and fought in Korea in the 1950s. He then went on to become an attorney and also became an officer. While in Japan, he started martial arts training and eventually in later life became a 10th Dom.

Several weeks before he died he told me this: "If I could undo just one thing in my life, that would be the lives I've taken."

Give a whole lot of thought about "defending your home and family" and the way you are going to do it. What seems wise now, could become a tremendous burden to lug around for the rest of your own.

John
Uh -- nowhere in this thread does it talk about any of that. There is a hell of a difference between defending your home and being in combat. But this thread is not about defending your home.
 
My son bought a Kimber 1911 and we took it to the range. That is one sweet .45! I like it much better than the Glock because I find the heavier gun easier to hit the target with. I'd never heard of Kimber but that one's a honey!

John

I sold my Glock 23 .40 cal and replaced it with a Sig 229 in 9mm.

Glock? What's that?
 
Uh -- nowhere in this thread does it talk about any of that. There is a hell of a difference between defending your home and being in combat. But this thread is not about defending your home.


The drumbeat from the "concerned" has been so steady there are many people who things guns and rifles are only used for One Thing.

Whereas the vast (over 90%) will never shoot anything more than paper.
 
Ted -- the problem is that you can bust into something like that in about a minute with a crowbar. Or you can just pick it up and carry it out with another guy. Something like that is really only effective at keeping your mostly honest kid out of your guns -- which is a problem I don't have.

I do agree that you should put some effort towards stopping the mostly honest. The actual criminals on the other hand is more work. I'm not saying that I wouldn't like a super-duper 1500 lb safe. I'm just saying that at this point I can't justify that cost when I've got way higher priorities.

Like I said, anyone who really wants to get in can. Any standard security just keeps out the honest people. Sure, two people can walk out with my safe and get all my guns, but that requires two people and a vehicle to transport the safe. Doable, sure, but more difficult than someone who just comes by, breaks in, sees guns on the wall, and takes them.

I'd be surprised if you could bust into my safe in a minute with a crowbar, but I'm not an expert on busting safes. I'd think someone who knows how to crack locks would have an easy enough time (I'm sure it's not a very advanced locking mechanism). Point is, though, I know a number of people who've had guns stolen when they weren't in any kind of secure location. I don't know anyone who's had their safe broken into or stolen that's had their guns in it.

Realistically, I should probably get rid of my guns seeing as I don't use them much (and it's rather doubtful I will unless I move somewhere where I can shoot on my property), but I'll probably hold on to them anyway.
 
Eventually -- but it is hard to justify a several thousand dollar safe when homeowners insurance would cover the loss. (Not that some of them are easily replaced with $).

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Jesse,

Not sure of the values involved, but property insurance very frequently limits liability for guns (and other types of collections - art, antiquities, etc.) to ~$2,500. They'll add coverage for the value of your collection upon request, but expect to have to itemize what you've got, or to have an ins. co. representative have a look at them. But, just so you're aware.... It's one of those things you don't think about until you need it, and by the time you need it, it's too late.
 
... I am all for keeping firearms secure, but when they are behind locked doors and a criminal chooses to break in and break the law and steal them, its not the legal gun owner's fault, its the CRIMINALS FAULT.

Expect that to change, sooner or later. Both through criminal law and civil liability.
 
Expect that to change, sooner or later. Both through criminal law and civil liability.

Was going to say, I wouldn't be surprised if someone could win a lawsuit based on "The owner should have done a better job securing the weapons." I'm not in agreement with it, but crazier things have happened.
 
Was going to say, I wouldn't be surprised if someone could win a lawsuit based on "The owner should have done a better job securing the weapons." I'm not in agreement with it, but crazier things have happened.


This is actually the backdoor effort to pressure lawful firearms owners -- make them responsible no matter how far back the weapon has to be traced (and preferably an owner with deep pockets).

There have been liability awards that placed negligence claims on the owner: http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/NegligentGunOwner.htm

Nanny states such as IL and NY are pushing this agenda: http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A06231
 
Was going to say, I wouldn't be surprised if someone could win a lawsuit based on "The owner should have done a better job securing the weapons." I'm not in agreement with it, but crazier things have happened.

It would be a tough case to win. Basically explained, there are four elements to every tort (personal injury, for those who don't know) claim: 1) a duty; 2) a breach of the duty; 3) causation ("but for" cause is the basic principle); and 4) actual damages/injuries.

This would require either an actual legal duty, or a jury believing a duty existed under the circumstances, to secure guns in a manner that a thief couldn't get them. It would also require a finding that the theft of the guns was the "proximate cause" of the plaintiff's (presumably, the person shot by the stolen gun) injuries.

That latter issue, however, has become more blurred as time has gone on - juries in all states except Maryland and North Carolina are now allowed to consider comparative degrees of fault. What that means, is that even if the jury thought the thief/shooter was 90% at fault, they could still slap you with 10% of the fault (and of the verdict) if they thought that was your contribution.

So, all in all, it would be a tough case - but that doesn't mean it couldn't be won. Especially since civil juries generally only have six people on them, and they don't have to be unanimous - majority wins.

But, for all of you who own guns and who have enough assets to make a lawsuit against you worthwhile, consider this issue.

I say that, and mods feel free to edit out this part of my post or to delete this post in its entirety, because - and this is speaking historically - activist groups have traditionally turned to the courts and/or juries to force change in that manner when legislative reform hasn't passed. I'd hate to see one of you become the example that sets the "social standard of care" for gun storage and/or ownership.
 
This is actually the backdoor effort to pressure lawful firearms owners -- make them responsible no matter how far back the weapon has to be traced (and preferably an owner with deep pockets).

There have been liability awards that placed negligence claims on the owner: http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/NegligentGunOwner.htm

Nanny states such as IL and NY are pushing this agenda: http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A06231

I haven't read the articles, but this is exactly what I'm talking about in the last paragraph of my preceding post.
 
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