What should I do

SkyHog said:
Fyi, wearing a helmet almost killed me once. I have never worn a helmet since.
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Yeah, and wearing a seatbelt has killed a few people over the years. I bet, like the seatbelts, helmets have saved MANY MANY more people than they have killed.

But it is your life.
 
wabower said:
That's what happens when they let them attend law school.
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I thought law school was what they sent the town clown or county mountie to after a year on the job...
 
Greg Bockelman said:
Yeah, and wearing a seatbelt has killed a few people over the years. I bet, like the seatbelts, helmets have saved MANY MANY more people than they have killed.

But it is your life.
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Nick makes that claim repeatedly that the helmet almost killed him. Of course, he's not dead...
 
So think David learned not to ask a legitimate question and expect an answer to the question he asked.
Not the answer of how he should live his life. By the way I agree with all the comments about debt but that was not his question.
 
ron22 said:
So think David learned not to ask a legitimate question and expect an answer to the question he asked.
Not the answer of how he should live his life. By the way I agree with all the comments about debt but that was not his question.
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Then he should have also learned an important lesson: don't ask a question if you're not going to like the discussion that follows.
 
My state-trooper uncle had a quick response for those statements.

Ted DuPuis said:
Nick makes that claim repeatedly that the helmet almost killed him. Of course, he's not dead...
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Enjoy the bike. You didn't buy a bike because of just one girl did you? Tsk tsk, you know better. If it works for all the the ladies present and future that is cool, but don't go oneitis, that is far worse then vehicle/financial tomfoolery(and more expensive.)
 
There's nothing like a brand new, never been used car/motorcycle. I bought my only new bike, a YZ250F back in 2004.
 
Whatev on the financing issue... But make damn sure that you have adequate medical coverage that does not exclude motorcycles (and airplanes for that matter) Both my wife and I ride, she was in a "minor" accident last year. Bills so far have been $650,000. Good thing I have a great policy through my employer.

BTW, minor = getting T-Boned in a turn by a car doing ~30 MPH. Dislocated shoulder, broken femur, broken tibia, 2 broken cuboids, broken talus, broken calcaneus, and all 5 metatarsals broken. Plus the sole of her foot was ripped off from the ankle all the way to the ball of her foot and was hanging off like a flip-flop. And yes she was wearing propper riding boots. Alpinestars S-MX 5.

Not trying to scare you off or anything (I still ride and she plans to again eventually) but be aware that when stuff does go wrong, it gets $$$$$ quickly, and if you are not covered you will be bankrupt.
 
I don't think that $300/month payment is gonna wreck David's life...but you wouldn't know it from some of the comments he received.

I don't recall anyone being concerned when he bought an airplane...
 
Dan,

That's quite a report. Best wishes to both as she recovers and really glad to hear it wasn't anything major. As you know, some people are badly hurt in those wrecks.

Wayne


slacktide said:
Whatev on the financing issue... But make damn sure that you have adequate medical coverage that does not exclude motorcycles (and airplanes for that matter) Both my wife and I ride, she was in a "minor" accident last year. Bills so far have been $650,000. Good thing I have a great policy through my employer.

BTW, minor = getting T-Boned in a turn by a car doing ~30 MPH. Dislocated shoulder, broken femur, broken tibia, 2 broken cuboids, broken talus, broken calcaneus, and all 5 metatarsals broken. Plus the sole of her foot was ripped off from the ankle all the way to the ball of her foot and was hanging off like a flip-flop. And yes she was wearing propper riding boots. Alpinestars S-MX 5.

Not trying to scare you off or anything (I still ride and she plans to again eventually) but be aware that when stuff does go wrong, it gets $$$$$ quickly, and if you are not covered you will be bankrupt.
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wabower said:
Dan,

That's quite a report. Best wishes to both as she recovers and really glad to hear it wasn't anything major. As you know, some people are badly hurt in those wrecks.

Wayne
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We all know that once an accident like this damages your body, you'll never be the same again and as they get older and older the scars become more apparent.

Goodluck to you and the misses Dan.
 
3393RP said:
I don't think that $300/month payment is gonna wreck David's life...but you wouldn't know it from some of the comments he received.

I don't recall anyone being concerned when he bought an airplane...
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IIRC, airplanes furnished by his father. 2-wheelers are his own purchase...
 
AggieMike88 said:
IIRC, airplanes furnished by his father. 2-wheelers are his own purchase...
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What does it matter who or how the airplane came into his responsibility? He has said he wants to fly something he can afford to MAINTAIN, good for him! The purchase/sale price is between him and who ever helped him get the mooney. Sounds to me like he is making priorities for the money he is making. Right, wrong or indifferent he is making priorities, which puts him a step ahead of some people.


-VanDy
 
If you can identify any priority for going into debt for a new scooter that he doesn't need (other than the most obvious and irrational issue that has been the undercurrent during this entire discussion) I'll kiss your ass on Main Street on Saturday and give you 30 minutes to draw a crowd.


VanDy said:
What does it matter who or how the airplane came into his responsibility? He has said he wants to fly something he can afford to MAINTAIN, good for him! The purchase/sale price is between him and who ever helped him get the mooney. Sounds to me like he is making priorities for the money he is making. Right, wrong or indifferent he is making priorities, which puts him a step ahead of some people.


-VanDy
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David, it's the WOMAN. You are doing some things uncharacteristic for you. Be AWARE.
 
wabower said:
If you can identify any priority for going into debt for a new scooter that he doesn't need (other than the most obvious and irrational issue that has been the undercurrent during this entire discussion) I'll kiss your ass on Main Street on Saturday and give you 30 minutes to draw a crowd.
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Why does anyone need to go into debt for anything other than food and a shelter over their head? After all, that is all you need to survive.


-VanDy
 
wabower said:
If you can identify any priority for going into debt for a new scooter that he doesn't need (other than the most obvious and irrational issue that has been the undercurrent during this entire discussion) I'll kiss your ass on Main Street on Saturday and give you 30 minutes to draw a crowd.
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I might pay good money for a ticket to this event... :D
 
wabower said:
Dan,

That's quite a report. Best wishes to both as she recovers and really glad to hear it wasn't anything major. As you know, some people are badly hurt in those wrecks.

Wayne
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Thanks. She's starting to do pretty ok... bit of a limp but we've been on up to 2 mile walks. Fully aware that this is a lifetime condition which will change over time. She started flying with me again a couple months ago... would have gotten started earlier if I had a Cardinal but the Tiger is not as easy to get into for a gimp.

It's funny. We were talking about risky passtimes at work. People think I am some kind of nutcase because I fly in a small plane, but barely bat an eye at the motorcycle. One guy I work with asked if I was afraid of dying every time I flew. He commutes 10 miles a day on a bicycle on city streets. I'd be petrified. I've had 5 people I know die on bicycles, one on a motorcycle, 2 in car accidents and 2 in aircraft.

I do notice that I've become more conservative in my own riding since her accident.
 
bbchien said:
David, it's the WOMAN. You are doing some things uncharacteristic for you. Be AWARE.
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Actually, it's very characteristic when you have seen the soap opera unfold over the past several years. A decision that is very expensive and long-term in nature being made based on short term needs.
 
slacktide said:
Whatev on the financing issue... But make damn sure that you have adequate medical coverage that does not exclude motorcycles (and airplanes for that matter) Both my wife and I ride, she was in a "minor" accident last year. Bills so far have been $650,000. Good thing I have a great policy through my employer.

BTW, minor = getting T-Boned in a turn by a car doing ~30 MPH. Dislocated shoulder, broken femur, broken tibia, 2 broken cuboids, broken talus, broken calcaneus, and all 5 metatarsals broken. Plus the sole of her foot was ripped off from the ankle all the way to the ball of her foot and was hanging off like a flip-flop. And yes she was wearing propper riding boots. Alpinestars S-MX 5.

Not trying to scare you off or anything (I still ride and she plans to again eventually) but be aware that when stuff does go wrong, it gets $$$$$ quickly, and if you are not covered you will be bankrupt.
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Dan,

Sorry to read this as well. As someone who rides, the other cars are always my concern. That's also why I prefer flying to riding from a safety perspective: when flying if I die, it's probably because I screwed up! On a motorcycle it will probably be because someone else screwed up.

I've stopped riding to work because of this concern. The drivers around here are complete idiots and there are a number of very bad interchanges that invite crashes. Combine that with the little baby and my wife and I can't get away for a pleasure ride on backroads we're more comfortable with. So, the Harleys sit and look pretty in the garage for the time being.

Hope she's able to get back on the saddle soon.
 
3393RP said:
I don't think that $300/month payment is gonna wreck David's life...but you wouldn't know it from some of the comments he received.

I don't recall anyone being concerned when he bought an airplane...
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The issue comes down to financial decision making, and the tendency that adults have of trying to help kids make fewer expensive mistakes than they did. Some of us who knew more details did have concerns about at least the Mooney when it was purchased, and would have had concerns about the particular 172 and/or the chosen money to be spent on it understanding David's long-term goals and needs.

I've always said education is expensive, regardless of the type of education.
 
David, congrats on the new bike. Might want to watch the throttle a bit, that's a very powerful vehicle. While I am very glad you have a young lady friend with whom to share your life, I do worry that perhaps you're sharing a bit too much of it a bit too soon. I hope I am incorrect in this, I of course have only one datum.
 
For the same reason a dog licks his butt.

VanDy said:
Why does anyone need to go into debt for anything other than food and a shelter over their head? After all, that is all you need to survive.


-VanDy
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wabower said:
For the same reason a dog licks his butt.
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The part I can't figure out is why my dogs sniff eachother's butts after almost 4 years together. They smell the exact same as they did 4 years ago: like dog ****.
 
Just checking to be sure. A guy can't be too careful.

Ted DuPuis said:
The part I can't figure out is why my dogs sniff eachother's butts after almost 4 years together. They smell the exact same as they did 4 years ago: like dog ****.
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I go on splurges once in a while, but they are never over a $1k. I'm still driving my 2002 Impala, no car payments, no motorcycle and no airplane.


I just borrow airplanes when I needs to go somewhere or need a fix.
 
I read that someone once died from jogging. So, I don't jog anymore.

- Nick
 
" . . . there's more old drunks than there are old doctors "
 
Being alive almost killed me once so I became a vampire
 
Since my body has less tissue to maintain, will I live longer?
 
slacktide said:
BTW, minor = getting T-Boned in a turn by a car doing ~30 MPH. Dislocated shoulder, broken femur, broken tibia, 2 broken cuboids, broken talus, broken calcaneus, and all 5 metatarsals broken. Plus the sole of her foot was ripped off from the ankle all the way to the ball of her foot and was hanging off like a flip-flop. And yes she was wearing propper riding boots. Alpinestars S-MX 5.

Not trying to scare you off or anything (I still ride and she plans to again eventually) but be aware that when stuff does go wrong, it gets $$$$$ quickly, and if you are not covered you will be bankrupt.
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Sorry to hear about your wife.

I raced motocross for years and the danger level was acceptable to me. Plenty of bumps and bruises and a few broken units but for the most part, racing was probably about as risky as football or hockey for me. That's because, like flying I knew my skill and what risks were acceptable to take. I quit when I was 22, all of my friends were getting out of the sport and I started riding less than once a week. Like flying you have to stay current. Well, I couldn't stay current and I had to ride more conservatively which took the fun out of things.

I'm about 4 years away from racing now and borrow a friend's street bike occasionally to get my fix. This thread had me looking at bikes on craigslist. Really tempting but as Ted mentioned, I think street riding everyday would seriously increase my chances of a bad accident, where flying or racing you actually become less likely to have an accident the more you ride/fly.

Still I miss riding and might buy something. The drive to the airport is 30 minutes and the last 20 is out in the country.
 
A good friend of mine owned an 80's era Concourse , rode the **** out of it and then some . He took about 9 months of searching and just recently purchased a 2011 for a steal .

He absolutely LOVES the machine . He said the braking and traction controls are a bit funky especially with anti lock only using one caliber on the front, it makes for some pulling until you get used to it.

Another thing to get used to is the whole RFID keyfob, idea , just do not lose it or you are kinda screwed and really expensive to purchase new and program.
 
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