What is the difference between a PT and a HILPT?

[iamtheari]

HILPT? How would you do a hold without a holding fix?

"N1234A. Proceed direct wherever. Hold west of whatever on the 080 degree inbound course. Maintain 3,000. Expect further clearance at..."

I should have written “named fix” rather than “fix of some kind.” Are there HILPTs of the form “hold west of the 10 DME”? I would guess not but it was a point of curiosity given the discussion here about the differences between performing a PT within 10 nm of a fix and performing a hold in lieu of a PT within 4 nm of a fix.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Are there HILPTs of the form “hold west of the 10 DME”? I

I doubt it.

 

[RussR]

I should have written “named fix” rather than “fix of some kind.” Are there HILPTs of the form “hold west of the 10 DME”?

Not for many years. There was a time when DME fixes were not necessarily named, but that rule changed over 15 years ago at least. The last time I saw an unnamed DME fix had to be 10 years or more ago, and part of the project was to change it to a named fix (sometimes there are stragglers when rules change, and they seem to last forever, as procedures typically aren't amended JUST for rule changes).