JasonM
Pattern Altitude
I'd be pretty upset if this were my airplane.
What a jerk..
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champ driver
Line Up and Wait
I would be very upset too, but, the pilots should have been aware of the plane and asked it to be moved or turned around before starting their engines. Use your control locks and be aware of where you park or tie down.
Stewartb
Final Approach
Almost destroys Cirrus is a bit dramatic. My planes have seen a lot worse thrown at them by mother nature than what that Cirrus saw from that jet.
JasonM
Pattern Altitude
Mother nature is such a jerk as well!!!
bnt83
Final Approach
The ol' Falcon 900.
Around 25,000 lbs empty
Holds about 2,800 gallons of fuel @ 6.7 lbs/gal = 18,760 lbs
Leaving a whopping fuel payload of 1,740 pounds.
They look a lot better with winglets, (but they add about 240 pounds to the empty weight)
I hate parking near these aircraft. Even a Citation 560 could send a Cherokee airborne.
Around 25,000 lbs empty
Holds about 2,800 gallons of fuel @ 6.7 lbs/gal = 18,760 lbs
Leaving a whopping fuel payload of 1,740 pounds.
They look a lot better with winglets, (but they add about 240 pounds to the empty weight)
I hate parking near these aircraft. Even a Citation 560 could send a Cherokee airborne.
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Stewartb
Final Approach
Fearless Tower
Touchdown! Greaser!
Wonder what the FBO was thinking. The jet didn't get parked there under its own power. And they didn't toe it from the spot, they obviously expected the jet would need to start up and taxi away from there.
Or at least alerted the line guy to have the jet shut down.
Stewartb
Final Approach
All they needed to do, if anything, would have been to swing the Cirrus nose to the wind. No big deal. Almost as easy as making a silly movie while doing nothing.
ChemGuy
Cleared for Takeoff
Oops. Bad place to park.
Was anyone else thinking "that's probably the most movement that rudder has seen" or was that just me?
Was anyone else thinking "that's probably the most movement that rudder has seen" or was that just me?
OkieAviator
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That was my thought as well.
mr_happyland
Pre-takeoff checklist
That's like filming a purse snatching instead of trying to catch the thief.
BrianNC
En-Route
The rudder traveled at least perpendicular to the vertical stabilizer. I don't believe the rudder travels that far when moved by the rudder pedals. There definitely could be some damage there.
Well, if the Cirrus is inspected for damage and some is found, this video at least makes excellent evidence against the Falcon operator.
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Jay Honeck
Touchdown! Greaser!
Interesting. Would this be the Falcon operator's liability, or the FBO that parked him there?
I can see lots of finger pointing. It's not like the Falcon pilot could get out and tug his plane anywhere without the FBO's involvement.
Katamarino
Pattern Altitude
Not like he could look around his aircraft, see the risk, and instruct the FBO to tow him, is it. Jets this size never pay high fees at FBOs, so no doubt would not be seen as important clients whose requests should be accomodated
Jay Honeck
Touchdown! Greaser!
Not like he could look around his aircraft, see the risk, and instruct the FBO to tow him, is it. Jets this size never pay high fees at FBOs, so no doubt would not be seen as important clients whose requests should be accomodated
True. Of course, we don't know -- maybe he DID ask the FBO about it, and the line guy said "Meh, you'll be FINE. Go ahead and fire up!"
One thing I've learned: Never blame ill intent for something that can be more easily explained by laziness or stupidity.
Katamarino
Pattern Altitude
True. That's a fair point, and one I agree with!
Luvrv8
Line Up and Wait
Hate seeing this. My plane is tied down outside, the guy behind me used to start his engine on his Bo, run it up and taxi it out of his space, set the brake and then park is new vette within inches of my plane. I asked him several times not to do either, a few other pilots asked him not to do it. After a couple months or so I let him pull his plane out, blast mine and park his Vette. I then said to him, watch this, I started my plane and did a full power run up, there were 5 other pilots laughing. He moved his plane parking spot that day. Is it so hard to be courteous?
Jay Honeck
Touchdown! Greaser!
My tent in the North 40 was shredded -- with us inside it -- at Oshkosh one year when an idiot in a 210 got stuck in the mud and held full power for over a minute to get out.
I took pictures of the moron's plane and plastered it all over the internet, for all the good that did.
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Thats what I thought as well.
Both.
This actually happened to a friends T182 Flyers Fan from this board. It was done by a Eurocopter Air Taxiing. Actually required replacement of the rudder.
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timwinters
Ejection Handle Pulled
Seems to be a lot of people blaming the FBO for the way both planes were parked...
Do you guys not have private jets (and large twins) in private hangars with their own tugs at your airports? My airport does, quite a few of them. Maybe the jet's pilot(s) pulled it out of the hangar and parked it there themselves???
Maybe the cirrus guy parked his there himself too?
Do you guys not have private jets (and large twins) in private hangars with their own tugs at your airports? My airport does, quite a few of them. Maybe the jet's pilot(s) pulled it out of the hangar and parked it there themselves???
Maybe the cirrus guy parked his there himself too?
Fearless Tower
Touchdown! Greaser!
I'm sure they exist, but I have never seen a jet operator with their own tug. I'm pretty sure even Norfolk Southern who has their own corporate hangar here at ORF uses the Landmark rampers to move their stuff.
No kidding huh? I would have been shutting the dude down. It was likely a mechanic doing a test runnup.
OkieFlyer
En-Route
Perhaps the Cirrus guy is a total douche bag and they ran the jet up there on purpose and filmed it for giggles.
Blatham489
Pre-takeoff checklist
Put your glasses on and watch again. Not even close to perpendicular.
I'd guess +/- 20deg. off center.
This is much ado about nothing.
There is that potential, but only an idiot would put up evidence. That's like jizzing on a cops sandwich where the security camera sees you, and the cop can see the monitor.
Depends, have to inspect the Cirrus. There are hard stops on all those control surfaces, and that's a plastic plane. You'd have to take a close look before you can make that determination.
Shatter cracks are the 'fatigue' issue of fiberglass.
AKBill
En-Route
I was on a long cross country Chicago to Juneau. My carb heat cable broke in Canada and I was repairing it on the ramp. A Beech 1900 parked next to me started up taxied forward and did a 180 turn. His prop wash blew my engine cowling across the ramp. I ran after it and stopped it before any damage but a few scratches.
As the pilot was taxing out I Stood there with my finger in the air pointing to the cowl, he saw my cowl and figured out what he did. Slapped himself in the forehead. Kept taxing, didn't stop to ask if he damaged anything.
As the pilot was taxing out I Stood there with my finger in the air pointing to the cowl, he saw my cowl and figured out what he did. Slapped himself in the forehead. Kept taxing, didn't stop to ask if he damaged anything.
Shawn
En-Route
In the boating world we are explicitly responsible for any damage our wake cause in almost any circumstance. Surprised that is not more of a thing in aviation...at least while on the ground.
We have that rule. The person with his hand on the throttle in the video is 100% responsible. The only out that person would have is if he ensured the area was clear of his blast before entering the cockpit then the Cirrus was parked behind the jet.
NJP_MAN
Pattern Altitude
Pilots huh? Looks more like a engine run so there is a good chance that this was a couple of maintenance guys running some tests for a routine inspection. I taxied and ran all kinds of stuff when I work at the hangar in scottsdale. There was never a pilot around unless there was a high speed taxi required test or an in flight test.