What a jerk..

[Henning]

In the boating world we are explicitly responsible for any damage our wake cause in almost any circumstance. Surprised that is not more of a thing in aviation...at least while on the ground.

Yeah, tell the cops in boats that.

 

[DJTorrente]

Interesting. Would this be the Falcon operator's liability, or the FBO that parked him there?

I can see lots of finger pointing. It's not like the Falcon pilot could get out and tug his plane anywhere without the FBO's involvement.

That's what "joint and several liability" was created to solve. Among joint wrongdoers, all are liable to the full extent of damages. They can sue each other for contributions, but any of them can be made to pay everything required to make the plaintiff whole.

All they needed to do, if anything, would have been to swing the Cirrus nose to the wind. No big deal. Almost as easy as making a silly movie while doing nothing.

I wouldn't want to walk into a jet wash like that, nor think it safe to turn the Cirrus profile to the blast to get it turned around. Lastly, even if the cirrus was nose-facing the blast, it still does a good sand-blasting job on the finish.

 

[MAKG1]

If I saw this instead of recording the video I would just run up and move the Sr22.

Behind a running jet engine? You've never worked around jets, have you? Having personnel anywhere near that Cirrus under those conditions is exceedingly unsafe. I'd much prefer dealing with the paperwork of a broken Cirrus than cleaning up blood.

 

[Henning]

That's what "joint and several liability" was created to solve. Among joint wrongdoers, all are liable to the full extent of damages. They can sue each other for contributions, but any of them can be made to pay everything required to make the plaintiff whole.



I wouldn't want to walk into a jet wash like that, nor think it safe to turn the Cirrus profile to the blast to get it turned around. Lastly, even if the cirrus was nose-facing the blast, it still does a good sand-blasting job on the finish.

Oh, sit on the tail and it will swing nose in lickity split.

 

[narchee]

This stuff happens unfortunately. I was once taxiing to the active runway at a towered field so was talking to the ground controller and as I turned onto the main taxiway that is parallel to the runway the yoke suddenly started jumping and the rudder pedals too and I looked back (cessna high wing) and there was a jet on the far end starting a maintenance runup. It almost blew me away! I complained to the ground controller and he told the mechanic doing the runup to stop.

 

[sarangan]

True. Of course, we don't know -- maybe he DID ask the FBO about it, and the line guy said "Meh, you'll be FINE. Go ahead and fire up!"

One thing I've learned: Never blame ill intent for something that can be more easily explained by laziness or stupidity.

There was a fatal crash some while ago in French Polynesia which was traced back to repeated jet blasts from nearby aircraft that created fatigue in the control cables.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Moorea_Flight_1121

 

[ActiveAir]

The person taking the video and watching the damage occur was in the field of vision of the jet operator. He could have gotten the jet pilots attention and signaled him to shut down.

+1. Videographer is just as much of an idiot, just standing there videoing instead of trying to help the situation.

 

[N801BH]

+1. Videographer is just as much of an idiot, just standing there videoing instead of trying to help the situation.

+1.....

 

[denverpilot]

If I saw this instead of recording the video I would just run up and move the Sr22.

Behind a running jet engine? You've never worked around jets, have you? Having personnel anywhere near that Cirrus under those conditions is exceedingly unsafe. I'd much prefer dealing with the paperwork of a broken Cirrus than cleaning up blood.

Poppycock. I've stood behind many a jet engine bigger than that at that distance. High bypass airliner stuff and not always at idle either. It's windy, noisy, and annoying but not particularly deadly in any way. (We were always much more concerned about not being in front of them. Especially the low slung 737-300/500 types. Those could make you into big hamburger patties real quick.)

As far as moving the Cirrus goes, the problem is in opening those damn doors on it while it's getting blasted. They'd probably get damaged.

Best move here is to walk over toward the Falcon and give the ol' chop the throat signal to the moron inside. Emphatically. With a "you sure win the idiot of the day award" look.

 

[N801BH]

Poppycock. I've stood behind many a jet engine bigger than that at that distance. High bypass airliner stuff and not always at idle either. It's windy, noisy, and annoying but not particularly deadly in any way. (We were always much more concerned about not being in front of them. Especially the low slung 737-300/500 types. Those could make you into big hamburger patties real quick.)

As far as moving the Cirrus goes, the problem is in opening those damn doors on it while it's getting blasted. They'd probably get damaged.

Best move here is to walk over toward the Falcon and give the ol' chop the throat signal to the moron inside. Emphatically. With a "you sure win the idiot of the day award" look.

Yup............................ vegamatic.......

https://www.google.com/search?q=mec...a=X&ei=LM7WVKS4EoHjoAT_0IDYCw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

 

[OkieFlyer]

There is that potential, but only an idiot would put up evidence. That's like jizzing on a cops sandwich where the security camera sees you, and the cop can see the monitor.

Touche

 

[jesse]

Behind a running jet engine? You've never worked around jets, have you? Having personnel anywhere near that Cirrus under those conditions is exceedingly unsafe. I'd much prefer dealing with the paperwork of a broken Cirrus than cleaning up blood.

Poppycock. I've stood behind many a jet engine bigger than that at that distance. High bypass airliner stuff and not always at idle either. It's windy, noisy, and annoying but not particularly deadly in any way. (We were always much more concerned about not being in front of them. Especially the low slung 737-300/500 types. Those could make you into big hamburger patties real quick.)

As far as moving the Cirrus goes, the problem is in opening those damn doors on it while it's getting blasted. They'd probably get damaged.

Best move here is to walk over toward the Falcon and give the ol' chop the throat signal to the moron inside. Emphatically. With a "you sure win the idiot of the day award" look.

lmfao..I wouldn't be concerned about the jet blast from those engines killing me at that distance. Unlikely the brakes would be set on the Cirrus. No need to open the door. Pull the chocks on the nosewheel, grab the prop, and pull. They have a castering nose wheel so it wouldn't be particularly difficult to steer it in a direction if you wanted.

I'd be more concerned with trying to get the attention of the guys in the jet that are probably heads down looking at the panel.

 

[MooneyDriver78]

No kidding huh? I would have been shutting the dude down. It was likely a mechanic doing a test runnup.

Usually they taxi the plane out to a unused taxiway to do their tests, at least that's what I've seen

 

[MooneyDriver78]

Put your glasses on and watch again. Not even close to perpendicular.



I'd guess +/- 20deg. off center.



This is much ado about nothing.

Looks like the Cirrus wasn't even tied down, could not have been that much wind

 

[NJP_MAN]

Usually they taxi the plane out to a unused taxiway to do their tests, at least that's what I've seen

It's not uncommon to do engine runs wherever it sits (as long as you're not adding power). Maybe these things had to idle fir a certain amount of time for whatever is being tested. Once you start putting some power in while running it they typically will move to a designated area for run ups.

 

[Henning]

Usually they taxi the plane out to a unused taxiway to do their tests, at least that's what I've seen

Sadly they don't always, there was a CRJ a while back they drove into a hangar doing the same thing where the brakes slipped.

 

[denverpilot]

lmfao..I wouldn't be concerned about the jet blast from those engines killing me at that distance. Unlikely the brakes would be set on the Cirrus. No need to open the door. Pull the chocks on the nosewheel, grab the prop, and pull. They have a castering nose wheel so it wouldn't be particularly difficult to steer it in a direction if you wanted.



I'd be more concerned with trying to get the attention of the guys in the jet that are probably heads down looking at the panel.

Heh. Never worked for an airline I see. Walk up and slap the nose and I guarantee you'll have their attention. LOL.

It's not going to hurt the airplane and it's usually damn loud when someone slaps the nose inside, it sounds like someone whacked something into the cockpit down near your thigh. It's really noticeable.

We had to do that all the time to get their attention when they had the intercom set wrong and couldn't hear the external headset. Whack, whack, whack... "Uhhh. Oh. Uhhh. Cockpit.."

"Clear to remove ground power?" (Even though you knew they'd already started the APU...)

"Uhh oh. Uhhh. Yeah."

;-)

 

[James331]

I wouldn't be happy with that FBO. Wonder if the cirrus was also parked by the same FBO?

 

[Henning]

I wouldn't be happy with that FBO. Wonder if the cirrus was also parked by the same FBO?

Have you ever seen an owner, or have you ever as an owner/operator parked a plane in a similar location, backed in like that? I haven't. Done it plenty of times working on ramp though. Looks like it would be the same FBO.

Regardless any of that, the dude who failed to look back and appreciate the situation and still fire up the engines is the primary failure.

 

[ggroves]

Watched a Canadian F18 "fly" a tied down 152 against its ropes on the ramp at the FBO in Rochester, NY after the air show circa 2002. The 152 was parked on the line behind it, and the F18 demo pilot stopped by for fuel before heading back to base. Didn't seem to phase the line guy, who watched the whole thing. Of course, this was before smartphone videos, and YouTube.

 

[BigBadLou]

There was a fatal crash some while ago in French Polynesia which was traced back to repeated jet blasts from nearby aircraft that created fatigue in the control cables.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Moorea_Flight_1121

I remember that crash very well. That's why I always have the inspector check all cables during the annual. Bad surprises are cheaper on the ground than in the air.
Hopefully the Cirrus owner checked the cables and had a mechanic take a look as well.