Ways to Mount iPad in the Cockpit?

so the original ipad is now "legacy" hardware, LOL:rofl:
you make a good comedian I will give you that

I can't seem to find it on Apple's website for sale. Not being sold anymore makes me think "legacy."

Unless you think Packard Bell's old Pentium 1 models are still current despite them not being on the market anymore.
 
I can't seem to find it on Apple's website for sale. Not being sold anymore makes me think "legacy."

Unless you think Packard Bell's old Pentium 1 models are still current despite them not being on the market anymore.

keep em coming your killing me:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
I don't see how claiming that a device that is about as old as another device (in tech years, a few months is not a big difference) has been around long enough to ditch the "New and non-reliable" argument makes me a madman.

Plain and simple fact: Android is much, much cheaper, and will do the same if not more things than the iPad. There's literally no reason for an aviator to pick the iPad over an Android tablet at this point, unless you use ForeFlight (and not the featureset of ForeFlight) as the only reason.

yeah when your android crashes my ipad will still be going, at that point your android will be 4 months old

bottom line to anyone looking just read the reviews don't listen to a hater, the majority point to one direction, it is not the android or naviator (don't take my word pick up pretty much any magazine) you may be able to find one or two that say the opposite, maybe
 
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NICE
and good point

I just like being a smart ass, it is not so bad when I do it in person but don't come across very well on forums

bottom line, OP was about mounts for the IPAD then someone jumped in with droid stuff, The RAM mounts are great, I also fly a Cessna and feel I have plenty of room with the yoke mount
 
yeah when your android crashes my ipad will still be going, at that point your android will be 4 months old

bottom line to anyone looking just read the reviews don't listen to a hater, the majority point to one direction, it is not the android or naviator (don't take my word pick up pretty much any magazine) you may be able to find one or two that say the opposite, maybe

Ahh. I get it,I'm being trolled. And I fell for it. Good show!
 
(in tech years, a few months is not a big difference)

Are you kidding??? In tech, a few months can be a HUGE difference!

Plain and simple fact: Android is much, much cheaper, and will do the same if not more things than the iPad. There's literally no reason for an aviator to pick the iPad over an Android tablet at this point, unless you use ForeFlight (and not the featureset of ForeFlight) as the only reason.

Not the feature set of foreflight?

Where's your georeferenced approach plates there, buddy?

And there's a LOT of other stuff in ForeFlight that it appears Naviator doesn't have. Naviator looks like ForeFlight 2.0 or so to me.

Let's talk in a couple of years.
 
Ahh. I get it,I'm being trolled. And I fell for it. Good show!

:rolleyes2:

your grasping for straws I love it :rofl:

You are reminding me of that scene in Jerry Maguire "Help Me Help You" Your desperate I dig that
 
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Are you kidding??? In tech, a few months can be a HUGE difference!

The difference between now and a few months is a millennium. The difference between a few months over a year ago is less so because of the massive changes since then. Compare the p75 with the p100 compared to the computers from a few months ago to the computers today.


Not the feature set of foreflight?

Where's your georeferenced approach plates there, buddy?

And there's a LOT of other stuff in ForeFlight that it appears Naviator doesn't have. Naviator looks like ForeFlight 2.0 or so to me.

Let's talk in a couple of years.
Georeferenced plates are about the only feature I can see missing granted I haven't used Foreflight yet.
 
I don't see how claiming that a device that is about as old as another device (in tech years, a few months is not a big difference) has been around long enough to ditch the "New and non-reliable" argument makes me a madman.

Sheesh, if we're going for device or code age as a metric of what a device built will do today, the whole industry is brand new every six months. Software is "new" at every release.

Don't make me bring out the big guns, like iOS being basically designed after Unix which was doing real computer work before you were a twinkle in your daddy's eye on that special night...

Mostly 'cause it doesn't matter. Anyone can screw up any OS or implementation in five minutes flat with a single line of code.

I hear the Android marketplace has deeply rooted procedures that put all new software under the scrutiny of professionals for days before release to the world, so why worry? I also hear the OS carefully protects sensitive data so applications must ask the user before accessing it. :p :thumbsup:

Oh... Wait, that was some other OS. ;)

When is that tablet-specific version of Android scheduled for full release again? Ohhh... That long, huh?
 
Sheesh, if we're going for device or code age as a metric of what a device built will do today, the whole industry is brand new every six months. Software is "new" at every release.

Don't make me bring out the big guns, like iOS being basically designed after Unix which was doing real computer work before you were a twinkle in your daddy's eye on that special night...

Mostly 'cause it doesn't matter. Anyone can screw up any OS or implementation in five minutes flat with a single line of code.

I hear the Android marketplace has deeply rooted procedures that put all new software under the scrutiny of professionals for days before release to the world, so why worry? I also hear the OS carefully protects sensitive data so applications must ask the user before accessing it. :p :thumbsup:

Oh... Wait, that was some other OS. ;)

When is that tablet-specific version of Android scheduled for full release again? Ohhh... That long, huh?

Android refuses access to things without permission too. Android 3.0 launched a few months ago. It is tablet specific.
 
Android refuses access to things without permission too. Android 3.0 launched a few months ago. It is tablet specific.

keep em coming, you gonna be here all weekend?

:rofl:
 
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keep em coming, you gonna be here all weekend?

:rofl:

I'm not sure which part you're disagreeing with there....the permissions are controlled with AndroidManifest.xml, and if you do not put what you want access to in there, you are denied access to it. That is also what controls the warning a user gets before he can install the application. So if an app wants access to your GPS location, for instance, they have to specifically request it, and the user sees that is part of the app...

For the items that are controlled this way, see:
http://developer.android.com/reference/android/Manifest.permission.html

For example, the warning you get when installing Naviator:
Naviator Permissions said:
This application has access to the following:

* Your location
fine (GPS) location
Access fine location sources such as the Global Positioning System on the device, where available. Malicious applications can use this to determine where you are, and may consume additional battery power.
* Network communication
full Internet access
Allows an application to create network sockets.
* Phone calls
read phone state and identity
Allows the application to access the phone features of the device. An application with this permission can determine the phone number and serial number of this phone, whether a call is active, the number that call is connected to and the like.
* Storage
modify/delete USB storage contents modify/delete SD card contents
Allows an application to write to the USB storage. Allows an application to write to the SD card.

Show all

* Network communication
view network state
Allows an application to view the state of all networks.
view Wi-Fi state
Allows an application to view the information about the state of Wi-Fi.

As for the 3.0 release? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system) <-- February 2011.

This is getting boring.
 
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Georeferenced plates are about the only feature I can see missing granted I haven't used Foreflight yet.
I personally wouldn't be making purchase recommendations by stating a product is the same when you haven't even used the one you're comparing it to.

I can't even find a website for Naviator.

Can I file in it? IFR or VFR? With all the aircraft I fly preconfigured?
Can I get DUATS briefings through it?
Can I get all sorts of weather charts?
Does it have the AF/D pages? Including the takeoff minimums and departure procedures? How about the STARs and SIDs?
 
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As for the 3.0 release? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system) <-- February 2011.

This is getting boring.

On the contrary, that's a great link.

"Google has chosen to withhold the Honeycomb source code, which called into question the "open-ness" of this Android release.[51] Google's Andy Rubin stated that the latest Android source code would be released "when it is ready". The reason for the delay, according to Rubin in an official Android blog post, was because Honeycomb was rushed for production of the Motorola Xoom.[52]"

Ice Cream Sandwich isn't scheduled to be released until Q4 2011. I wouldn't call a hack job only released for Motorola that's so full of bad code that a normally open-source product refused to ship source, a released product. No other Android manufacturers can even get/use it.

(In violation of the GNU Public License since it's based off of the Linux 2.6 kernel still isn't it? But GNU/Stallman won't say anything because it's their only hope of not being utterly crushed by Apple who's way way ahead in the code cycle.)

Couldn't possibly be a back-room deal with the god-awful businesspeople at Motorola who keep fumbling the business football every time they catch a pass?

Sounds like Apple/AT&T all over again.

That part in the article about Google crushing an App maker who wanted to turn off the GPS device doesn't sound like any Apple stories either, to you, I suppose? LOL.

They're all playing us. Get over it. They make this crap with suicidal workers at Foxconn overseas who hate their jobs. Opened up a Dell 1750 (read: OLD pizza box server) this week at work, and there was Foxconn's name in two inch high letters on the airflow shroud over the power supply.

My dad's generation "needed" beer and hot cars. Now beer companies are blasé and cars aren't interesting anymore as demand slips.

The next generation "needs" always on Net connectivity. Mobile Net gadgets are bound to be made like candy until we're sick of being always connected.

Generation after mine would just appreciate it if the old farts would start retiring so they could have a job better than fast-food which are full of laid off Boomers and Xers right now.

Boomer wave is just starting to slow their consumer spending. Wait it out for the next 10 years and watch the economic crickets chirp. Most companies that publish earnings aren't beating inflation by any significant margin. The growth is usually dollar value loss making revenues look higher.

Anyway, a tangent there to point out that all this gadget buying is normal. And that it paid for a new liver for Mr. Jobs and a few private jets for the Google geeks. They "graciously" feed Silicon Valley a nice lunch every day to look the part of the good guys, while they cozy up to Motorola on the golf course.

Ain't nothin' new under the Sun, amigo. Toshiba was making things smaller and lighter all the way back to the Portege' 3010/3015 series and the "mighty" Pentium I, which Intel truly designed in Israel... not California.

These silly "spec" debates between tech company fans have been around since 9600 baud was fast and Usenet was King.

So if that's what you mean by "boring", yep. You're just part of their Marketing reindeer games that aren't anything new. Neither are the OSs. Unix is still Unix. Only the machine style has changed.
 
I think Nick has convinced me to sale my Ipad and get a Android. All around great points. Thanks
 
On the contrary, that's a great link.

"Google has chosen to withhold the Honeycomb source code, which called into question the "open-ness" of this Android release.[51] Google's Andy Rubin stated that the latest Android source code would be released "when it is ready". The reason for the delay, according to Rubin in an official Android blog post, was because Honeycomb was rushed for production of the Motorola Xoom.[52]"

Ice Cream Sandwich isn't scheduled to be released until Q4 2011. I wouldn't call a hack job only released for Motorola that's so full of bad code that a normally open-source product refused to ship source, a released product. No other Android manufacturers can even get/use it.

(In violation of the GNU Public License since it's based off of the Linux 2.6 kernel still isn't it? But GNU/Stallman won't say anything because it's their only hope of not being utterly crushed by Apple who's way way ahead in the code cycle.)

Couldn't possibly be a back-room deal with the god-awful businesspeople at Motorola who keep fumbling the business football every time they catch a pass?

Sounds like Apple/AT&T all over again.

That part in the article about Google crushing an App maker who wanted to turn off the GPS device doesn't sound like any Apple stories either, to you, I suppose? LOL.

They're all playing us. Get over it. They make this crap with suicidal workers at Foxconn overseas who hate their jobs. Opened up a Dell 1750 (read: OLD pizza box server) this week at work, and there was Foxconn's name in two inch high letters on the airflow shroud over the power supply.

My dad's generation "needed" beer and hot cars. Now beer companies are blasé and cars aren't interesting anymore as demand slips.

The next generation "needs" always on Net connectivity. Mobile Net gadgets are bound to be made like candy until we're sick of being always connected.

Generation after mine would just appreciate it if the old farts would start retiring so they could have a job better than fast-food which are full of laid off Boomers and Xers right now.

Boomer wave is just starting to slow their consumer spending. Wait it out for the next 10 years and watch the economic crickets chirp. Most companies that publish earnings aren't beating inflation by any significant margin. The growth is usually dollar value loss making revenues look higher.

Anyway, a tangent there to point out that all this gadget buying is normal. And that it paid for a new liver for Mr. Jobs and a few private jets for the Google geeks. They "graciously" feed Silicon Valley a nice lunch every day to look the part of the good guys, while they cozy up to Motorola on the golf course.

Ain't nothin' new under the Sun, amigo. Toshiba was making things smaller and lighter all the way back to the Portege' 3010/3015 series and the "mighty" Pentium I, which Intel truly designed in Israel... not California.

These silly "spec" debates between tech company fans have been around since 9600 baud was fast and Usenet was King.

So if that's what you mean by "boring", yep. You're just part of their Marketing reindeer games that aren't anything new. Neither are the OSs. Unix is still Unix. Only the machine style has changed.
I am running 3.0 on my non Motorola tablet.
 
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DA20 with 430 and my Aera 560 and ipad 2 mounted via RAM to the Glass.

also, hello to all. I am new to the forum, but not to Aviation and already like the "chat" I see....As you see the WingX being used, I also have Foreflight, which I love. They both have pros/cons for me (a mostly VFR pilot). My Daughter insists on GPS aids for living room navigation :goofy:
 
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How is your visibility of the sky not severely blocked by the way the both of those are mounted?
 
So what's better for Android? Avilution or Naviator?

I have not yet tried Avilution. I will need to check on that....

I think we need to have an Android App specific thread. This one turned into a ****ing content (my fault).

I can say that Naviator is the best thing I've ever used on a tablet so far. That doesn't mean there isn't something better out there.
 
I personally wouldn't be making purchase recommendations by stating a product is the same when you haven't even used the one you're comparing it to.

I can't even find a website for Naviator.

Can I file in it? IFR or VFR? With all the aircraft I fly preconfigured?
Can I get DUATS briefings through it?
Can I get all sorts of weather charts?
Does it have the AF/D pages? Including the takeoff minimums and departure procedures? How about the STARs and SIDs?

http://www.naviatorapp.com
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.onetwentythree.skynav&feature=search_result
 
Georeferenced plates are about the only feature I can see missing granted I haven't used Foreflight yet.

From what I can tell from reading their entire web site and user manual, there is a LOT of stuff missing - But there's not very much info about Naviator at all, so not having used it I can't say for sure.

But, there is at least one, maybe two people in the other thread who have used both and consider ForeFlight to be well ahead of Naviator.

If you'd like, take a look at ForeFlight's user manual here. It's 56 pages long, as opposed to Naviator's 7-page manual. I don't think that means that ForeFlight has 8 times the features by any means, but it does give an indication of their attention to detail and customer service.
 
How is your visibility of the sky not severely blocked by the way the both of those are mounted?

Lots of glass in the DA20 so for me it isn't an issue. I still do my outside scan, along with Flight Following. On a side note, I just deleted 2 of the 3 posts and edited the one I am leaving up, but now that one is missing?? lol...
 
Lots of glass in the DA20 so for me it isn't an issue. I still do my outside scan, along with Flight Following. On a side note, I just deleted 2 of the 3 posts and edited the one I am leaving up, but now that one is missing?? lol...

It's re-approved now. Once you get to ten posts, then we don't moderate anymore. Ultimately, we have to have some minimum counts to keep spammers at bay.
 
It's re-approved now. Once you get to ten posts, then we don't moderate anymore. Ultimately, we have to have some minimum counts to keep spammers at bay.

Thanks Jason!
 
I mount my iPad on a ram mount suction cupped to the windshield of my Cherokee Six. It hangs over the glare shield just to the right of the radio stack.
 
This is quite the thread! lol

I am the developer of Naviator, and I just wanted to step in and say a few things.

First, Nick, I appreciate your support of the application.

Second, Naviator is a very young application. It has only been around since April and as such I'll be the first person to admit it doesn't have all the features of ForeFight.

That said, I do feel it still provides good value and I am working very hard to continue to add new features.

If you'd like, take a look at ForeFlight's user manual here. It's 56 pages long, as opposed to Naviator's 7-page manual. I don't think that means that ForeFlight has 8 times the features by any means, but it does give an indication of their attention to detail and customer service.

The user manual is quite outdated. We have added many new features over the past two months and have just not had the time to update it yet. If you ask the people who have sent emails or posted in our forums, I'm sure they would all agree that our customer service has been quite good.

Cheers,
Mike
 
The user manual is quite outdated. We have added many new features over the past two months and have just not had the time to update it yet. If you ask the people who have sent emails or posted in our forums, I'm sure they would all agree that our customer service has been quite good.

Mike,

Welcome aboard! Note that I never said your customer service wasn't good - I don't have any basis to say that anyway. But I do hope you update your user manual (and your web site) very soon, as they don't reflect too well on your product. I am curious as to what Naviator can do, but there really isn't enough info on your site or in your user manual to see.
 
I'm currently working on some UI enhancements for Android Honeycomb devices. Once that's done I plan on adding more detailed information to the web site and releasing an updated user manual.

There is so much more I want to do with the app, but it will take some time to get there!
 
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