Water Ditch near JFK

Telemakhos said:
Why would anyone spend so much time, money, and effort to get a ticket and then do this?
I never even imagined that anyone could be so incredibly stupid.
When they yank his ticket, I'll be happier with the knowledge that the only thing between him and myself/pax isn't the "big sky theory."
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Daddy probably paid for it
 
Telemakhos said:
I never even imagined that anyone could be so incredibly stupid.
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To me this sounds like he had a couple of drinks. He just sounds incoherent on the tape.

He is a first year medstudent for what it's worth, doesn't protect against a lack of judgement it seems.
 
jesse said:
Daddy probably paid for it
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Whoever paid for it, Junior still spent the time and effort to get the certificate, then continued to fly after he got it.
"Daddy" pays for lots of certificates... like all of those people who learn to fly in college and consider their certificates a part of Daddy-funded tuition.
Some of my best flying friends had "Daddy" pay for their training, which is probably the norm for people under the age of 30. None of them would be such imbeciles. Some of them are now flying for airlines, and one for Uncle Sam. Point I'm trying to make: the vast majority of people treat their certificates with the utmost respect, no matter who funded it. It's not like most people get a great gift from somebody and then immediately light it on fire just because they didn't buy it.
Now, if Daddy forced Junior to get a certificate against Junior's will, and Junior has Daddy issues, that's another story.
 
weilke said:
To me this sounds like he had a couple of drinks. He just sounds incoherent on the tape.

He is a first year medstudent for what it's worth, doesn't protect against a lack of judgement it seems.
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Med student? Why on earth was he in a Warrior and not a Bonanza?
 
AdamB said:
Sure, I'm glad everyone is ok, but you should listen to the ATC feed...

This guy is a bonehead and an eyesore to GA.
Sorry this sort of stuff just erks me...
Based on the tape, I'd say it's pretty clear it was intentional.

http://www.liveatc.net/recordings.php
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+1... that guy deserves far more than a simple enforcement action and emergency revocation of his pilot certificate. Worst part is, he seems like the sort who'd go fly anyway after the revocation.
 
He should be flying out of Smoketown.
 
Telemakhos said:
Whoever paid for it, Junior still spent the time and effort to get the certificate, then continued to fly after he got it.
"Daddy" pays for lots of certificates... like all of those people who learn to fly in college and consider their certificates a part of Daddy-funded tuition.
Some of my best flying friends had "Daddy" pay for their training, which is probably the norm for people under the age of 30.
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Sure, but there are plenty of spoiled little brats who think the world is their urinal.

This guy sure seems to fit that profile.
 
Amazing. Airplane makes safe emergency landing, nobody hurt, and it makes the paper.
 
Danos said:
That place is still there. I deal with drunks for a living. In my professional opinion, he was.
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What tipped you off? His speech pattern, and attitude I assume.
 
Skip Miller said:
They stopped at Farmingdale. 56th Fighter Group restaurant? Is that place still there? They do serve alcohol. Passenger was puking. Was she drunk? Was he? :dunno:
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Or did she have the egg-salad.

I doubt that the cops made him blow on the scene, they dont have the advantage of listening to the ATC tape and looking at the routing to make that judgement call.
 
steingar said:
Amazing. Airplane makes safe emergency landing, nobody hurt, and it makes the paper.
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The emergency is that there was no competent pilot in the plane. I think that was the storyline of "Airport '75".
-harry
 
weilke said:
Or did she have the egg-salad.

I doubt that the cops made him blow on the scene, they dont have the advantage of listening to the ATC tape and looking at the routing to make that judgement call.
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From the NYT article, they said a NYC detective was first on the scene. Wouldn't an experienced guy like that get a whiff of the kid's breath and check out the pupils, then proceed to the breathalyzer if he had any indication of intoxication?
 
mantakos said:
The emergency is that there was no competent pilot in the plane. I think that was the storyline of "Airport '75".
-harry
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"Rumack: You'd better tell the Captain we've got to land as soon as we can. This woman has to be gotten to a hospital.
Elaine: A hospital? What is it?
Rumack: It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now."

That movie?
 
steingar said:
Amazing. Airplane makes safe emergency landing, nobody hurt, and it makes the paper.
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Sure seems like the only emergency was the need to revoke that guy's pilot cetificate.
 
Telemakhos said:
"Rumack: You'd better tell the Captain we've got to land as soon as we can. This woman has to be gotten to a hospital.
Elaine: A hospital? What is it?
Rumack: It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now."

That movie?
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No, you're thinking of "Airplane":

airplane-guitarlarge.jpg

I'm talking about "Airport 75":

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-harry
 
How many of us can ditch the plane (or land on the sandy beach) and stay as cool as cucumber? Thats what really amazed me from ATC type.
Also I have to admit controller's professional handling of this unusual situation.
 
"They can't be lost, they're on instruments!"

*cut to shot of small band playing in the cockpit*

In any case, $10 says he had some kind of break from reality. I don't think someone would be capable of getting their private and instrument tickets and then make this series of errors without something sinister going on in their head.

As unflattering as this was for GA (putting it mildly), I do hope this guy gets some help.

It's almost what I'd expect to happen if Charlie Sheen was PIC. Yes, that bad.

Artiom, to your question about how he can stay cool...I think it's a result of the $10 bet posted above. Had he been firing on all 6, I doubt he would've been quite as excited about putting it down in the drink.
 
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coma24 said:
I don't think someone would be capable of getting their private and instrument tickets and then make this series of errors without something sinister going on in their head.
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I'm not so sure he was IR, one of the articles mentioned that he was a relatively recent pilot and the FAA didn't have much info on him. For the flight in question, he was not IFR.
 
Artiom said:
How many of us can ditch the plane (or land on the sandy beach) and stay as cool as cucumber? Thats what really amazed me from ATC type.
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"Ditching"? Seemed like an intentional landing to me. I suspect the guy was downright giddy - he wanted to do it.
 
Artiom said:
How many of us can ditch the plane (or land on the sandy beach) and stay as cool as cucumber?...
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To be stressed in that situation requires a modicum of judgment.

If, on the other hand, somebody is a complete idiot who decides that landing on the beach would be cool because he saw it on TV, then of course that person would be cool as a cucumber. In his reality, he's not doing anything unusual.

This was no "ditching", this was a pilot choosing to land on the beach with no emergency to motivate the choice. The fact that the plane ended up in water was an inexplicably unforeseen consequence.
-harry
 
weilke said:
To me this sounds like he had a couple of drinks. He just sounds incoherent on the tape.

He is a first year medstudent for what it's worth, doesn't protect against a lack of judgement it seems.
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Even worse than this guy flying again would be for him to graduate med school and become a doctor, nurse, or EMT.
 
Not to Monday morning quaterback, but he is either mentally unstable/delusional, drunk or high or all three.
 
Bob Noel said:
Even worse than this guy flying again would be for him to graduate med school and become a doctor, nurse, or EMT.
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Well said. I would not want that guy making judgment calls on my or my families health!

The best section of the article was the last few lines:


"Apparently, the show Mr. Maloney watches was still on his mind, because, said Mr. Browne, Mr. Maloney asked the detective: “What’s the big deal? It happens all the time in Alaska.”

Detective Derienzo replied, “Welcome to New York.”
 
Doesn't sound like he's interested in taking any responsibility for his stupidity.
 
AdamZ said:
"Apparently, the show Mr. Maloney watches was still on his mind, because, said Mr. Browne, Mr. Maloney asked the detective: “What’s the big deal? It happens all the time in Alaska.”

Detective Derienzo replied, “Welcome to New York.”
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NYT didn't get the whole quote

"Welcome to New York, where we're afraid of our own shadows.."





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