Verizon iPhone

dennyleeb said:
So are you switching? If not which aviation apps are good on android. How do you file IFR flight plan on the droid.(please don't say call) I don't know of any good aps for aviation on android market. ie. foreflight
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Switching is difficult for me. I have a corporate supplied telephone and not a lot of freedom with what I am allowed to use. I do currently have a Droid on AT&T. None of the av apps are all that good. I do file flight plans by simply using the web browser.

As soon as iPAd2 becomes available I will be buying it.
 
ScottM said:
Switching is difficult for me. I have a corporate supplied telephone and not a lot of freedom with what I am allowed to use. I do currently have a Droid on AT&T. None of the av apps are all that good. I do file flight plans by simply using the web browser.

As soon as iPAd2 becomes available I will be buying it.
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when is it coming out?
 
ScottM said:
Your guess is as good as mine. I have a $800 Apple gift certificate sitting at my desk targeted for that purchase. The rumor is sometime near the end of the first quarter or just at the beginning of the 2nd quarter.
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I dont know what I would do without mine. I have the yoke mount and have not bought a paper chart in a long time.
 
KSCessnaDriver said:
So then why did you buy it? And please do come back to us in a year, when you have the iPhone, and then tell us its on ebay too. Some people are never happy.
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The droid NOT the DROID 2, is a woefully underpowered phone from a CPU perspective. It was so bad that Droid 2 was done to fix all the things wrong in the original Droid.
 
mantakos said:
Pretty common stuff, unfortunately. Garmin had a problem with daylight savings a couple years back. I recall Windows having similar issues.

When I first got a Windows Mobile phone a few years back the alarm would silently fail if the phone was plugged in, something you might do to a phone overnight, a time after which you might be likely to want an alarm to work. They fixed that with an OS upgrade, and thankfully the phone's alarm works just great today, and that's what I use it for as it's all the damn thing is good for.

Android had a fun bug where you can send a text message to somebody, and it would appear to succeed, but the phone would send it to somebody other than who you intended to send it to. If you're Brett Favre, I think you're much better off with an iPhone and over-sleeping.
-harry
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LOL re Farve

But we're talking about THE STEVE'S company :D
 
I am locked into Verizon at work, so the IPhone has not been an option for me.
My device MUST be able to be remote wiped, and the version of Echange Server we are running does not do that with Android (but will with IPhone).
I have been locked into Blackberry, which is great as an email and calendar device, but I must interface with several Web-based services (WebEOC, Cameo, moving map weather radar, traffic cameras, etc) which do not function properly on the Blackberry browser, but DO work on the IPhone browser.
So, I will be getting a Verizon Iphone the moment they are available.

My personal phone is a Droid X, prior to that was a Nexus One. I am an Android fanboy, but the IPhone is the right tool for the right job at work.
 
ScottM said:
The droid NOT the DROID 2, is a woefully underpowered phone from a CPU perspective. It was so bad that Droid 2 was done to fix all the things wrong in the original Droid.
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Sure, it may be underpowered, but that doesn't mean it doesn't function. Mine works perfectly fine, running multiple apps at the same time. Not everyone wants to run all kinds of crazy apps all the time.
 
ScottM said:
Your guess is as good as mine. I have a $800 Apple gift certificate sitting at my desk targeted for that purchase. The rumor is sometime near the end of the first quarter or just at the beginning of the 2nd quarter.
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Me too. Christmas comes late this year lol.
 
I used to like iPhones. The more time I spend using them, the less I like them. They do have some nifty features, but ultimately it's not worth the money.

I may be in the minority, but I love my BlackBerry. It's easy to use, hasn't given me problems like the iPhones I've used have, has a physical keyboard that works well for my thumbs, and has the apps that I want (I'm not much of an app person in general). I would like for it to have a better browser and a touch screen, but when this one comes due I'm going to get another one.
 
Ted DuPuis said:
I used to like iPhones. The more time I spend using them, the less I like them. They do have some nifty features, but ultimately it's not worth the money.

I may be in the minority, but I love my BlackBerry. It's easy to use, hasn't given me problems like the iPhones I've used have, has a physical keyboard that works well for my thumbs, and has the apps that I want (I'm not much of an app person in general). I would like for it to have a better browser and a touch screen, but when this one comes due I'm going to get another one.
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Motorola Droid Pro. Answers every thing you'd like about a smartphone, with BlackBerry-style features (really nice physical keyboard).

Cheers,

-Andrew
 
Ted DuPuis said:
I used to like iPhones. The more time I spend using them, the less I like them. They do have some nifty features, but ultimately it's not worth the money.

I may be in the minority, but I love my BlackBerry. It's easy to use, hasn't given me problems like the iPhones I've used have, has a physical keyboard that works well for my thumbs, and has the apps that I want (I'm not much of an app person in general). I would like for it to have a better browser and a touch screen, but when this one comes due I'm going to get another one.
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What???? you got rid of the Treo? Blasphemy!
:cornut:
 
What I'm looking for next is a Droid that also works on GSM networks so I use it when traveling. I know, a small minority of users, but those of us who keep hopping oceans would benefit greatly. Late this year, early next year?
 
Ghery said:
What I'm looking for next is a Droid that also works on GSM networks so I use it when traveling. I know, a small minority of users, but those of us who keep hopping oceans would benefit greatly. Late this year, early next year?
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That is real easy to get for you. I have one. What you need to do is plan a little weekend getaway for you and the missus and pick up a Droid from Telus up in the Great White north. I simply got one of their Droid models, sim unlocked it (cost $19.99 and time 5 minutes), plugged in my AT&T sim and I was good to go.
 
Well, it was announced today (coverage here)

VZW & Apple taking pre-orders Feb 3, availability by Feb 10th.

It's basically the same specs as an iPhone 4, except CDMA. Therefore, no simultaneous voice & data, and no LTE. It will support being a mobile hotspot, though.
 
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mikea said:
Ask Scott if he can get you a deal on the dock for this gem:
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I don't work for that company anymore.

But I am sure you will be able to get those for a good price at a discontinued items warehouse real soon.

Why would anyone want a laptop size docking station? If you are going to carry around something that is that size might as well have it be a real laptop. Then you could just use your phone as a tethered modem into the data network. I would think that market for those will be pretty small.
 
ScottM said:
...Why would anyone want a laptop size docking station? If you are going to carry around something that is that size might as well have it be a real laptop. Then you could just use your phone as a tethered modem into the data network. I would think that market for those will be pretty small.
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Oh. It didn't register that that's the larger footprint. Even then, I think you'll be surprised how well it sells. There has been a lot of excitement over the Samsung 7" Android tablet.

Never make predictions on what will sell:
the iPhone wouldn't become a mass-market handset simply because the next iteration will be subsidized. He also stated that "Mr. Jobs had no monopoly on innovation," and took the conversation even further off track by blurting that "Steve Jobs eventually will get old."
http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/01/verizon-ceo-hates-on-steve-jobs-doesnt-see-iphone-as-a-mass-ma/
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Eating crow today.
 
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Sigh....

In the ultimate irony, after defending the VZW network vehemently, it turns out I do not get service at my new house.

Even though the coverage map shows me in the middle of a very dense digital area. Wonder how hard its going to be to get out of my contract for this one...
 
Ghery said:
What I'm looking for next is a Droid that also works on GSM networks so I use it when traveling. I know, a small minority of users, but those of us who keep hopping oceans would benefit greatly. Late this year, early next year?
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Well, the Droid Pro / Droid 2 Global are dual-radioed. VZW / CDMA + EV-DO Rev A in the US, Vodafone GSM internationally.

The Motorola Atrix coming from AT&T looks pretty nice...

Cheers,

-Andrew
 
I'll have to give the Droid a look and see what I think of it. That may actually prove to be a viable upgrade from the BlackBerry.

The iPhone, though, is definitely out. I need a world-capable phone. One of the things I love about the BlackBerry is that it has worked everywhere I've taken it, including places in Canada that I can't pronounce.
 
SkyHog said:
Sigh....

In the ultimate irony, after defending the VZW network vehemently, it turns out I do not get service at my new house.

Even though the coverage map shows me in the middle of a very dense digital area. Wonder how hard its going to be to get out of my contract for this one...
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If all else fails, use the "kill them with roaming" technique.
 
mantakos said:
That's assuming that the new iPhone even supports LTE. Or do you know something we don't know? :)
-harry
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And assuming that all of us know what the heck that means:crazy:

vontresc said:
What???? you got rid of the Treo? Blasphemy!
:cornut:
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Still got my Treo 755

SkyHog said:
Sigh....

In the ultimate irony, after defending the VZW network vehemently, it turns out I do not get service at my new house.

Even though the coverage map shows me in the middle of a very dense digital area. Wonder how hard its going to be to get out of my contract for this one...
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Try updating the program or what ever the hell it is. I think its *228 I did that once and it picked up the signal where I was much better. Has something I think to do with roaming capabilities and since the location is new to you perhaps that it. .......Or not.
 
SkyHog said:
Sigh....

In the ultimate irony, after defending the VZW network vehemently, it turns out I do not get service at my new house.

Even though the coverage map shows me in the middle of a very dense digital area. Wonder how hard its going to be to get out of my contract for this one...
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Based on my experience with AT&T for the very same problem, very hard unless you pay the cancellation fee.
 
SkyHog said:
Sigh....

In the ultimate irony, after defending the VZW network vehemently, it turns out I do not get service at my new house.

Even though the coverage map shows me in the middle of a very dense digital area. Wonder how hard its going to be to get out of my contract for this one...
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Flakey at my house, too. However, the WiFi connection on the phone works fine and data is what I need here. Landline phone works fine.
 
pilot_dude said:
I'm gonna take a wait and see approach. As a currently dissatisfied iphone user (due to ATT's service), I am hopeful a few million ATT users move to VZ. If that occurs as suspected, ATT service may actually be useful at that time.
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Yup. I'm thinking this can't help but improve AT&T's network too - A win-win for everyone!

taters said:
it will be a good day to own some verizon stock when i phone comes
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I was thinking about selling AT&T short if I had a really good idea of when this was gonna happen, but the rumor mill has been so loud about the Verizon iPhone for so long (almost since the original came out) that I didn't want to risk it on this announcement, especially because I expected this to be coming from Apple, not Verizon. Hm.

However, it looks like since the announcement of the "event" last week, AT&T has only lost about $2/share, or about 7%.

KSCessnaDriver said:
So, were you looking for functionality or convenience? If you want convenience, let god Jobs tell you what you can buy, when you can buy it, what network you can use it on, and what apps you can have. You want functionality, get an Android.
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Really? Try upgrading to the latest edition of Android the day Google releases it. :D

Also, unless I can get ForeFlight and other apps on Android, it's not more functional for what *I* need and want. The iOS App Store is still by far the largest and the developers can spend their time adding features to their apps rather than spend it ensuring that their stuff works with 3 gajillion different combinations of OS, screen size, etc...

So, you can have fun with your Android and feel all smug that your system is somehow more "open" or functional - I'm gonna use my iPhone to actually do stuff.

Ted DuPuis said:
The iPhone, though, is definitely out. I need a world-capable phone.
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What makes you think the iPhone isn't a world-capable phone? The hardware is the same worldwide with the possible exception of China, where they had to remove WiFi originally (not sure if they did that via hardware or software). That's part of why the AT&T deal worked well for Apple, since the rest of the world uses GSM for the most part.

SkyHog said:
Sigh....

In the ultimate irony, after defending the VZW network vehemently, it turns out I do not get service at my new house.

Even though the coverage map shows me in the middle of a very dense digital area. Wonder how hard its going to be to get out of my contract for this one...
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Yikes - That sucks.

I think at least one carrier will, in that case, let you have one of their home mini-cell devices for free - Might want to call and check. Verizon, unless they've botched things badly since I was a customer, does have the best customer service of the bunch - Hopefully they'll find a way to make it work for you.
 
Died-in-the-wool Apple freak here. The stuff works, and as a tech-support guy for a living, the last thing I want to do in my off-hours is Windows maintenance and troubleshooting. Even though it's spendy for an online service, with Wife's iPhone, myself on iPhone, iMac, MacBook, AppleTV, and my iPad all runnin' around here... MobileMe had to be added as well.

The calendar integration was the seller for us. I had set up iCal syncing over WebDAV and Google Calendar and all of that, even tried Yahoo Calendar (which we supposedly still use for aircraft scheduling, but with only three of us, it hasn't really been necessary, since we all talk regularly) and it worked... Sorta. But the MobileMe calendar has been flawless.

Push e-mail and a decent web interface was icing on the cake.

It's hard to put a value on that. Or maybe it isn't. Our calendars are stuffed full, and with Google's Outlook calendar application stuffing my work calendar into my Google Calendar, and our personal calendars on MM... It's all instant, and everything is in sync.

I'm also a professional Unix guy, and have my beloved command-line shell available at all times on my MacBook for some scripting madness if necessary, and I'm one HAPPY camper.

My only major complaint... No WiFi sync for iTunes to the phones or iPad. Once every few days I have to go dig out all the cables, plug in power, two cables, the iPad, and the iPhone and sync. Annoying. AirTunes helps, but frankly I want the iPad, iPhone, AppleTV, and Macs to all mark things "played" or pick up where I left off in media/podcasts -- without hooking up cables. Like Kindle and various Kindle reader apps.

AT&T is okay in Denver, but dropped calls are a major problem. I believe I'll let the dust settle on the VZ iPhone before making a move, though. But AT&T thinks I won't bail on them, they're nuts. Can't hold a call when moving on the most-traffic'ed Interstate in the whole State, handoffs are busted, and my living room straddles two tower's coverage. Walking across it is a guaranteed call drop. (So I leave the phone on the charger and grab the Bluetooth headset or pair the phone with the Panasonic cordless phones that have Bluetooth in the base station. The Panasonic would have been the perfect solution to that if it wasn't flakey as heck about pairing up with both of our iPhones.)
 
denverpilot said:
My only major complaint... No WiFi sync for iTunes to the phones or iPad. Once every few days I have to go dig out all the cables, plug in power, two cables, the iPad, and the iPhone and sync.
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I keep trying to figure out why I'm not bothered by this as some others are... Probably mostly because my calendars, email, yadda yadda is all synced through the cloud anyway, and I do occasionally use my laptop as a "backup battery" for my phone and iPad anyway, so they generally get cable-synced at least once a week.
 
I guess it's that I can sync everything else but the stuff handled by iTunes through the "cloud". Heck, even LogTen can sync my logbook entries without digging out a cable between MacBook, iPhone, and iPad. Even TimeCapsule/TimeMachine handles wireless just fine. It just seems a silly oversight.

That and only syncing to one Mac, when the two Macs can sync to each other over WiFi using Home Sharing. (In itself an example that WiFi sync of iTunes data works fine. Just not to iOS devices.)

It's time for Apple to plug this feature-hole. ;-)
 
denverpilot said:
I guess it's that I can sync everything else but the stuff handled by iTunes through the "cloud". Heck, even LogTen can sync my logbook entries without digging out a cable between MacBook, iPhone, and iPad. Even TimeCapsule/TimeMachine handles wireless just fine. It just seems a silly oversight.

That and only syncing to one Mac, when the two Macs can sync to each other over WiFi using Home Sharing. (In itself an example that WiFi sync of iTunes data works fine. Just not to iOS devices.)

It's time for Apple to plug this feature-hole. ;-)
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I think the problem you're facing is that iTunes is a steaming pile of software. Its really the only thing on my Mac that I wish I could stop using, but there's no alternatives that are worth a damn.

That is probably the ONE thing I'll give Windows....WinAmp's library management rocks on Windows. Windows Media Player sucks, but its surprisingly better than iTunes is.

Its really time for a huge change to iTunes.

BTW, my iPod Touch, which I've had for about 2 years, is bricked it appears. I tried to update to the newest version of iOs, after being prompted EVERY SINGLE TIME I synched it to iTunes, and now it keeps giving stupid, generic errors (the iTunes way). Once my stuff gets here today, I might try again and post the error messages here, and see if anyone can help. So far, the steps on the Apple site have not worked. Its like "Error 1367" or something. At least its not a "Sad Mac."
 
flyingcheesehead said:
What makes you think the iPhone isn't a world-capable phone? The hardware is the same worldwide with the possible exception of China, where they had to remove WiFi originally (not sure if they did that via hardware or software). That's part of why the AT&T deal worked well for Apple, since the rest of the world uses GSM for the most part.
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I had thought that in the announcement yesterday they said the Verizon iPhone was not going to be world-capable?

And even if it was... it's an iPhone, and I don't like iPhones. So I'll either stick with my BlackBerry or perhaps get a Droid. :)
 
Well, I was considering the Verizon iPhone. I'm a long-time Verizon customer, and have been very pleased with their service and coverage, so not looking to move carriers. I am changing jobs on Monday, however... and while I've been carrying a Droid X (personal) and a Verizon Blackberry (corporate), the new job presents the opportunity to consolidate.

The new company will pay for my existing number if I transfer it to the company (they give it back to me if I leave). I can have it put on a Blackberry, or I can get an iPhone. Both of those are corporate-supported for Exchange. They *might* support the Droid--hiring manager is looking into that. If they do support Android, I'll use my existing Droid X, as I just picked it up in December.

If they don't, then I have choices to make... and the lack of LTE support in the new Verizon iPhone4 makes that an unattractive option to me.
 
Ted DuPuis said:
I had thought that in the announcement yesterday they said the Verizon iPhone was not going to be world-capable?
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Ah, the Verizon one may not be. The AT&T one definitely is.

What really confuses me in this is the timing. I expect that they'll still have an iPhone 5 or whatever in June/July as they normally do - And so there'll either be a bunch of Verizon people who are mad at how quickly they're obsoleted (or that they can't get the latest greatest phone), or a bunch of AT&T people who are mad that they have to wait longer for their next upgrade (ie, me).

Word today is that iOS 4.3 will support the hotspot functionality on all iPhones whose carriers agree to support it. I wonder if AT&T will? They were AWFULLY slow to jump on the tethering bandwagon, and while I have free tethering and unlimited data right now, if I were to start paying AT&T for tethering they'd take away my unlimited data. (Not smart, but I guess I'll keep my extra $20 a month if they don't want it.)
 
flyingcheesehead said:
What really confuses me in this is the timing. I expect that they'll still have an iPhone 5 or whatever in June/July as they normally do - And so there'll either be a bunch of Verizon people who are mad at how quickly they're obsoleted (or that they can't get the latest greatest phone), or a bunch of AT&T people who are mad that they have to wait longer for their next upgrade (ie, me).
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I wonder if the capability is there already but turned off in the first release of the phone, only to be turned on later as the VZ LTE network is built out better? At some point in the future a software update turns it on, not unlike what they did for BT.
 
Verizon specific phones as I understand can't be used internationally, including the new Verizon Iphone. This is a big issue to me. I can pop a local sim card in my jailbroke Iphone 3gs, and use my ATT card equipped Iphone 4G with zero issues (other than high cost) overseas. Even in some fairly remote areas of Southeast Asia. I have had NO issues whatsoever with lack of ATT coverage here in the U.S.
 
Sac Arrow said:
Verizon specific phones as I understand can't be used internationally, including the new Verizon Iphone. This is a big issue to me. I can pop a local sim card in my jailbroke Iphone 3gs, and use my ATT card equipped Iphone 4G with zero issues (other than high cost) overseas. Even in some fairly remote areas of Southeast Asia. I have had NO issues whatsoever with lack of ATT coverage here in the U.S.
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Verizon offers world phones, like my BlackBerry Tour 9630. It's got both CDMA and GSM built-in. Gets great service everywhere I go, even Chisasibi, Quebec.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
What really confuses me in this is the timing.
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The AT&T exclusivity in the U.S. ended this year, didn't it? I imagine that explains the timing.

flyingcheesehead said:
I expect that they'll still have an iPhone 5 or whatever in June/July as they normally do - And so there'll either be a bunch of Verizon people who are mad at how quickly they're obsoleted (or that they can't get the latest greatest phone), or a bunch of AT&T people who are mad that they have to wait longer for their next upgrade (ie, me).
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Well, Apple doesn't need to give the latest & greatest; there's a huge pent-up demand for any Verizon iPhone at all!

ScottM said:
I wonder if the capability is there already but turned off in the first release of the phone, only to be turned on later as the VZ LTE network is built out better? At some point in the future a software update turns it on, not unlike what they did for BT.
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Seriously doubt it. From the announcement Q&A:

Q: Why didn't you go the LTE route?

Tim: Two reasons -- the first gen LTW chipsets force design changes we wouldn't make. And Verizon customers told us they want the iPhone now. I can't tell you the number of times we've been asked 'when will it work on Verizon.'​

Another interesting look at the Apple/Verizon discussions:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...n-took-years-to-clear-iphone-differences.html
 
ScottM said:
I wonder if the capability is there already but turned off in the first release of the phone, only to be turned on later as the VZ LTE network is built out better? At some point in the future a software update turns it on, not unlike what they did for BT.
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I would think that they would tout that, e.g. "LTE-ready".

I suspect that LTE is the planned obsolescence feature for the first-gen Verizon iPhone.

I am very curious what happens mid-year, whether the Verizon and AT&T phones are "sync'ed" in new introductions.
-harry
 
ScottM said:
I wonder if the capability is there already but turned off in the first release of the phone, only to be turned on later as the VZ LTE network is built out better? At some point in the future a software update turns it on, not unlike what they did for BT.
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BT? Bluetooth? That worked on the iPhone from day 1. Or do you mean something else? :dunno:

Also, Apple often will change the physical design of things every so often, so the new stuff looks new. For example, the iMac went from the "big blob" to adding more colors to the white swivel-y thing, to the flat panel, to a flat panel made of aluminum and glass. The iPhone is in its fourth iteration, but is already on its third design iteration.

This is what I'm really wondering:

mantakos said:
I am very curious what happens mid-year, whether the Verizon and AT&T phones are "sync'ed" in new introductions.
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flyingcheesehead said:
BT? Bluetooth? That worked on the iPhone from day 1. Or do you mean something else? :dunno:
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I know for a fact that it did not work in the iTouch, it was not enabled until a software update later (Version3.x I think). I had thought I heard that complaint about early iPhones as well. Maybe it was that the early iPhones did not support a bunch of BT devices or something, stereo BT? If it was the stereo profile then that is why they disabled on the iTouch, no need for mono BT on that device.
 
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