Verifying runway crossing clearance

Do you verify runway crossing clearance at towered airports?

  • Yes, better safe than sorry

    Votes: 26 40.6%

  • No, ground said I was clear once and that's enough

    Votes: 29 45.3%

  • Towered airports suck

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Pie

    Votes: 8 12.5%
  • Total voters
    64
But, back on topic, my home field almost always clears me across one inactive, and tells me to hold short on the other inactive. I won't call ground up again unless they forgot I'm holding short at the other inactive.

"8SA is holding short one seven"

"0h, yeah, 8SA cross runway one seven"
 
Sac Arrow said:
Sigh. I don't do smilies (I'm a modemer from the old skool). You have to understand when I'm joking out of context.
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I thought the sarcasm was pretty clear, but evidently not... I guess some of the posters really have issues with yuppie kids with toy radios...and one thinks I really need to see a light signal or I won't know if I'm at a towered airport...:nonod:
 
jnmeade said:
One reason you should get a crusty old CFI to give you some cross country once in a while is that about the time you copy, write down and read back your ground clearance at Des Moines and then query for permission to cross the runway enroute, he will look at you and ask if you've ever been to O'Hare, Dulles, Atlanta or even something like Midway or Minneapolis.
Listen to ground control and movement control at O'Hare sometime. They are interested in safety. They also assume that you are competent, alert, on-task and professional. They don't get every AA or UAL flight asking for every permission when everyone has the info. They're so busy and have such a rhythm of radio traffic that such would be disruptive as well as unnecessary. Of course, if you are in doubt, ask. But don't get in the habit of cluttering up the airways unnecessarily just to feel good.
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Jnmeade,

Fortunately, at O'Hare, one rarely has to cross a runway to get to their active, so pretty much a non issue... even when I flew my Bonanza in there.

However, I have no problem verifying a crossing in any plane, at any airport, if there's the absolute slightest doubt. (and that's almost always the case).

Sure, you can copy correctly, but the controller may have made a mistake, the radio could have been partially blocked... etc.

There is NO downside in verifying, no matter how busy the airport is. And the busier, all the more reason to verify.
 
If you have to ask if you're cleared across its because either you see a conflict or you screwed up. It's okay to screw up and forget...go ahead and ask again. But be clear you screwed up and now everybody gets you hear you clog the freq fixing your error.

I'm dead nuts serious there is no shame in asking, I certianly don't want to discourage it. But better form would be to not forget in the first place.
 
Not really, no, and Captain has been an a-hole lately, so it's not like I'm batting for him.
 
cleared4theoption said:
Saying that someone should feel stupid for making a mistake and then clogging the frequency, and then saying there is no shame in asking:dunno:
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Those two are not mutually exclusive. Yes, you should feel a tiny amount of shame in making a mistake and clogging the frequency (we all have, I know I have. I'm sure Captain did too.) But if you truly aren't sure, freakin' ask.

I would.
 
Sac Arrow said:
Those two are not mutually exclusive. Yes, you should feel a tiny amount of shame in making a mistake and clogging the frequency (we all have, I know I have. I'm sure Captain did too.) But if you truly aren't sure, freakin' ask.

I would.
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I guess I just feel like people should be encouraged to ask questions and be safe...and telling someone they should feel stupid for reconfirming something, even if they made a mistake, to me is counterproductive.

But I disagree with one part of your post...I don't think Captain makes mistakes....:no:
 
I guess I have been a tad out of sorts lately. Sorry. Maybe it's these damn shingles.

Yes, ANY doubt then ask. And yes, Ive asked. Happens once or twice a moth or so I'd guess.
 
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jspilot said:
With all this said, I do like when ground will give me my taxi clearance and then say switch to tower frequency. That way I can keep track of where airplanes are that may be taking off or landing. My instructors always taught me situational awareness was important to avoid runway incursions.
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I don't usually do it, but if you have two radios, monitoring Tower while set to listen/transmit on Ground, isn't a bad idea. If your brain can handle it. ;)
 
Larryo said:
Jnmeade,

Fortunately, at O'Hare, one rarely has to cross a runway to get to their active, so pretty much a non issue... even when I flew my Bonanza in there.

However, I have no problem verifying a crossing in any plane, at any airport, if there's the absolute slightest doubt. (and that's almost always the case).

Sure, you can copy correctly, but the controller may have made a mistake, the radio could have been partially blocked... etc.

There is NO downside in verifying, no matter how busy the airport is. And the busier, all the more reason to verify.
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You may be right about your Bonanza, but my experience is with Citations, King Airs, C401s and so forth at the airports I mentioned and more and in my experience you are wrong but I'm not going to argue about it with you.
 
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Up until a few years ago, Dulles had no runway crossings. If you crossed a runway, you'd be taxiing in the weeds. Still the ATIS advised pilots to read back all crossing instructions.
 
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