Thoughts on Progressive Lenses For Flying

I used multi-focal toroidal lens contacts for a while, and liked them very much. In addition to the concentric lenses, mine were also weighted in such a way as to keep them in a stable position on the eye surface. Visual acuity was terrific, even with my fairly hefty prescription.

I quit them because as a farmer there's just too much dust, pollen etc. in my work environment to make contacts practical. If I worked inside I'd change back in a heartbeat.
 
How old are you?

I'm sure everyone is different. I'm turning 56 next month. Before I needed multifocal lenses and progressive lens glasses, I was far sighted (needed help with reading). I had Lasik surgery at about 38 and a tune up at around 46. I was probably being a little too hopeful with that tune up. I've been wearing multifocal contacts for about the last 6 or 7 years. With the lenses, I'm 20/20 both near and far. Fingers crossed for the future.
 
From a low and slow guy? Much of my fling depends on peripheral vision. Especially landings on short areas. I hated my progressives and resisted using them in the plane for years. Now I’m used to them but every time the scrip changes I have the same change to my peripheral vision. It takes time to get used to them, for sure.
 
I'm sure everyone is different. I'm turning 56 next month. Before I needed multifocal lenses and progressive lens glasses, I was far sighted (needed help with reading). I had Lasik surgery at about 38 and a tune up at around 46. I was probably being a little too hopeful with that tune up. I've been wearing multifocal contacts for about the last 6 or 7 years. With the lenses, I'm 20/20 both near and far. Fingers crossed for the future.
Yeah, everyone is different. I haven't had LASIK. The reason I asked is you mentioned changes with age. I finally got multifocals that work for me this past February. I turned 70 last month (yeah, I guess I need to change my handle :D )
 
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Actually I’ve never flown with anything else. I wore bifocals when I started flying at the age of 40 and since went to trifocals. They work fine.
 
Instead of a horizontal line where the lens transitions from one prescription to another, multifocal contacts have concentric circles with different prescriptions. Your eye just naturally uses what's best for a given situation. For me at least, there was absolutely no effort involved. They just worked for me immediately. At some point, I'm guessing that my eyes will age too much and that I won't be able to use multifocals. Until then - love em.

I wore multi-focals for several years. I think they are great for all-around use. I finally switched back to glasses - I just got tired of dealing with contacts. Also, the multifocals are a "good at everything" kind of aid, but are not great at any particular thing, so prescription glasses (or distance correcting contacts) give me fractionally better vision at a distance.
 
Prologue: I used to be able to spot a Viper nose-on at 12 miles, with help from a HUD cue.

I got old, started with reading glasses, then distance started waning so I got some progressive glasses for flying. Eventually, I needed something just for day to day activities, so I went the multifocal contact route (dailies, which I can stretch to two days, as relatively fresh lenses are best for my eyeballs), supplemented by switching back to progressive glasses when required for "detail work."

It is a hard nut to crack, IMO. I see my eye Doc too often, so my insurance tells me. But, I just do what works. Pollen and smoke (a current environmental issue) make contacts tough at times.

Post log: According to ADS-B, I can't see a 172 at 3 miles. Meh. Big sky theory.
 
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Any of the post-40 POA crowd use progressive lenses while flying?

I've been using traditional bifocals for the last couple years based on what I've heard about potential distortion/blurring of peripheral vision.

BUT, I''m finding it very difficult to get decent prescription sunglasses for traditional bifocals. Many companies that do Rx sunglasses only offer single vision or progressives. Lenscrafters will do bifocal lenses, but the colors and lens thickness are extremely limited.

For those that use progressives, have you found any distortion issues?
I would never use anything else. The Costco brand is perfect for me. Been using them for30 years.
 
I've been using Progressives for an uncomfortable number of years. I have small lenses too, just what I like on my ugly pockmarked face. I wish I could get top of the line, but really good progressives are frighteningly expensive, even with insurance. These days I go to the internet to buy them to lessen the shock.
 
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A larger lens minimizes the amount and precision required for head movement. The cool looking smaller lenses can be a problem. I tried the smaller lense and ended up going back to the geeky large lenses.

One weird thing about them is you can't focus on near things when looking up. For instance, if your sitting on the ground and try and look up into the engine at something, you can't see very well because of the design of the lens. Looking up at something close can be frustrating. My solution is to keep a pair of reading glasses around for these situations.

No problem flying with them, in fact they're the only solution that works for me.

I agree that the larger lenses work better for flying, for the reasons noted. I've never had anything but the largest lenses available over the years I've had progressive lenses. And that predates flying by about 10 years or so.
 
I agree that the larger lenses work better for flying, for the reasons noted. I've never had anything but the largest lenses available over the years I've had progressive lenses. And that predates flying by about 10 years or so.
Another "different strokes" feature. The progressive glasses I like the least - giving them to Lions while the prescription is still current - are the ones with large lenses.

my favorite glasses ever:
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With the pair I had I needed to lean my head back too far to try to read something close to me.
The person who actually fits the glasses determines the point on the lens where the transition starts - if that's too low, then yea. I've never had that problem for general reading / flying. It can be an issue for me working under a car just because the close stuff is above my head (before cataract surgery my eyes were so different that there was no way to flip the glasses upside down) or when TIG welding - the reading part of the lens does not line up with the window in the helmet so I wear clip on magnifiers for that.
 
I got my progressive lenses 17 or so years age, long before I r started flying lessons. I wasn’t safe to drive a shopping cart at first, now I only notice a difference when I’m looking at stuff at an extreme angle.

My lenses have always had transitions but not enough darkening for really bright days. I have polarized flip up shades for driving so I can see the displays and just ordered a set of non polarized clip one for the cockpit. I’m getting them in a gray tint, as I feel gray is more neutral than brown.

I have never had a problem because of progressive lenses in the cockpit.
 
Ok, so to revive this a bit...

Just got a new RX, a little bit more astigmatism. Want to re-use my frames, they are in good shape, fit well, and make me look if not like $million, at least $5.95.

Anyway, I can't justify the price of the Nikon lenses again. But, there were two Kodak alternatives offered, Kodak Digital, and Kodak Unique which are supposed to provide a wider field of correction. Can anybody pirep?
 
No problem here flying with them. I've had them for almost 20 years. The first few days after I got them it was "interesting" climbing a staircase, but I got used to them very quickly.

The one thing to be careful of: the "center point" is fairly critical. If it's aligned too high or too low they won't work right & either will strain your eyes or have problems focusing. The last pair I got (exactly the same RX as the previous pair) was misaligned and gave me all kinds of focus problem so I went back to the older pair and all was clear

A good optometrist will know how to deal with that kind of problem, but the whole VSP centralized lab is a real pain in the rear to deal with.
 
I'm 55, wear progressives in the office, but don't like them in the cockpit, I've been nearsighted since college and something about the lack of good peripheral vision just messes with my inner ear and I tend to get a little seasick with the progressive lenses.

99% of the time I wear contact lenses and cheap cheaters from CVS, I wear the cheaters around my neck and only put them on when I need them (reading a checklist or approach plate etc)

I do fly experimental and so I've been able to set up the panel so that I can read everything I need when just "flying" even in IMC without the cheaters.

I can fly with the progressive lenses, it's just uncomfortable for me.:(
 
Yeah, everyone is different. I haven't had LASIK. The reason I asked is you mentioned changes with age. I finally got multifocals that work for me this past February. I turned 70 last month (yeah, I guess I need to change my handle :D )

Nah, the world is wrong. There is middle age, then advanced middle age - 65-85, before old age. I just had to change the definition to 85 from 80 :eek:
 
Progressive Lenses are the worst type of lens you can wear as a pilot.

Here are some of the problems:
1. You have to look directly at your target to see it clearly in focus. Good luck if you are older or have any neck arthritis, you will be swiveling your head to see clearly. Scanning your instruments frequently is difficult because your head has to be directed at the target, not just glancing your eyes up and down or to the sides.
2. When you look out of the corner of the lens, which you do when scanning the sky for bogies, the image will no longer be sharp. some brands are a bit better than others, but the higher your refraction, the worse it will be. You can easily lose 2 lines of an eye chart by looking out of the lateral edge of your lens. Two lines of a reading chart mean that an aircraft has to be half the distance from you before you will see it, compared to if your peripheral lens vision was the same as the center lens vision. Do you really want to give up that much of a safety margin?
3. When you look thru the intermediate section of the lens, the side distortion (to the left or right) gets much worse than the distance part of the lens. The intermediate and reader sections are quite narrow compared to the top distance portion. You won't see your instruments clearly on a scan unless you have only a very mild prescription in the lens.
4. When your eyes are forward (ex taxiing), and you want to catch the turn off numbers at an airport, these will be blurry because they are in the lateral portion of your lens (not straight ahead).
5. Because you will not be willing to do all the head tilting and swiveling necessary to keep your head pointed directly at what you wish to look at, you will wind up accepting poor vision in the periphery. That means you will miss seeing aircraft, because you can't scan the sky by directing your gaze up, down, left, or right. You actually have to point your head directly toward the area you are looking at, or else accept a reduction in visual acuity.

Opticians sell a lot of these lenses because they are about 3x the cost of regular lenses, and the profit margin is also about 3x. They usually ask only one question if you have reached an age where you need bifocals: "Would you like to have the invisible bifocal lenses (progressives)?" Of course, who would say no to that question? But, they will never tell you about all the compromises to your vision you have to accept in order to wear bifocals that are "invisible."

The best kind of glasses to wear as a pilot is single vision lenses. With these, when you glance to the far edge of the lens, everything remains in focus, just like the objects seen thru the center of the lens.

If you need bifocals or reading glasses, then the best type of bifocals for a pilot are called executive bifocals. These have a horizontal line just below the middle portion of the lens. Everything above that line is for distant vision. Everything below is adjusted for the focal distance to your instruments (approximately 24", rather than the 16" used for reading glasses). So, your outside vision will be perfect. Your instrument vision will be perfect. You will be able to glance left and right to see the sky or instruments without moving your head.

You will be able to go quickly between instruments and the sky without waiting for your eyes to accommodate to adjust to the difference in distance because that is already baked into the top and bottom prescriptions. Therefore, when glancing quickly at instruments, you will be able to regain your ability to see small aircraft without having to wait until your eyes "refocus."

What are progressive glasses good for?
1. Going out to dinner and impressing your younger boyfriend or girlfriend, you can read the menu without changing to bifocals or reading glasses.
2. Those who work in public relations positions, do podcasts professionally, or work in the public eye and have to have attractive glasses (newscasters, for example, that can't read their copy without bifocals, don't want to appear to be using bifocals).

For a pilot to give up the amount of visual acuity that exists in almost all progressive lenses is absolutely crazy and dangerous. Would you fly without your glasses if your vision was 20/40, and with glasses it was 20? If the answer is certainly not. Then why fly with progressives, where the periferal vision probably drops down to about 20/40, while the central vision is 20/20?

The FAA should ban progressive lenses in commercial pilots as a safety hazard!
 
Progressive Lenses are the worst type of lens you can wear as a pilot.

Here are some of the problems:
1. You have to look directly at your target to see it clearly in focus. Good luck if you are older or have any neck arthritis, you will be swiveling your head to see clearly. Scanning your instruments frequently is difficult because your head has to be directed at the target, not just glancing your eyes up and down or to the sides.
2. When you look out of the corner of the lens, which you do when scanning the sky for bogies, the image will no longer be sharp. some brands are a bit better than others, but the higher your refraction, the worse it will be. You can easily lose 2 lines of an eye chart by looking out of the lateral edge of your lens. Two lines of a reading chart mean that an aircraft has to be half the distance from you before you will see it, compared to if your peripheral lens vision was the same as the center lens vision. Do you really want to give up that much of a safety margin?
3. When you look thru the intermediate section of the lens, the side distortion (to the left or right) gets much worse than the distance part of the lens. The intermediate and reader sections are quite narrow compared to the top distance portion. You won't see your instruments clearly on a scan unless you have only a very mild prescription in the lens.
4. When your eyes are forward (ex taxiing), and you want to catch the turn off numbers at an airport, these will be blurry because they are in the lateral portion of your lens (not straight ahead).
5. Because you will not be willing to do all the head tilting and swiveling necessary to keep your head pointed directly at what you wish to look at, you will wind up accepting poor vision in the periphery. That means you will miss seeing aircraft, because you can't scan the sky by directing your gaze up, down, left, or right. You actually have to point your head directly toward the area you are looking at, or else accept a reduction in visual acuity.

Opticians sell a lot of these lenses because they are about 3x the cost of regular lenses, and the profit margin is also about 3x. They usually ask only one question if you have reached an age where you need bifocals: "Would you like to have the invisible bifocal lenses (progressives)?" Of course, who would say no to that question? But, they will never tell you about all the compromises to your vision you have to accept in order to wear bifocals that are "invisible."

The best kind of glasses to wear as a pilot is single vision lenses. With these, when you glance to the far edge of the lens, everything remains in focus, just like the objects seen thru the center of the lens.

If you need bifocals or reading glasses, then the best type of bifocals for a pilot are called executive bifocals. These have a horizontal line just below the middle portion of the lens. Everything above that line is for distant vision. Everything below is adjusted for the focal distance to your instruments (approximately 24", rather than the 16" used for reading glasses). So, your outside vision will be perfect. Your instrument vision will be perfect. You will be able to glance left and right to see the sky or instruments without moving your head.

You will be able to go quickly between instruments and the sky without waiting for your eyes to accommodate to adjust to the difference in distance because that is already baked into the top and bottom prescriptions. Therefore, when glancing quickly at instruments, you will be able to regain your ability to see small aircraft without having to wait until your eyes "refocus."

What are progressive glasses good for?
1. Going out to dinner and impressing your younger boyfriend or girlfriend, you can read the menu without changing to bifocals or reading glasses.
2. Those who work in public relations positions, do podcasts professionally, or work in the public eye and have to have attractive glasses (newscasters, for example, that can't read their copy without bifocals, don't want to appear to be using bifocals).

For a pilot to give up the amount of visual acuity that exists in almost all progressive lenses is absolutely crazy and dangerous. Would you fly without your glasses if your vision was 20/40, and with glasses it was 20? If the answer is certainly not. Then why fly with progressives, where the periferal vision probably drops down to about 20/40, while the central vision is 20/20?

The FAA should ban progressive lenses in commercial pilots as a safety hazard!
As one who has flown with them for at least 20 years, I can't imagine flying with anything other than progressives (even my contact lenses are multifocal, as mentioned a year and a half ago :D). OTOH, I always enjoy posts calling for more unnecessary regulations.
 
Progressive Lenses are the worst type of lens you can wear as a pilot.

Here are some of the problems:
1. You have to look directly at your target to see it clearly in focus. Good luck if you are older or have any neck arthritis, you will be swiveling your head to see clearly. Scanning your instruments frequently is difficult because your head has to be directed at the target, not just glancing your eyes up and down or to the sides.
2. When you look out of the corner of the lens, which you do when scanning the sky for bogies, the image will no longer be sharp. some brands are a bit better than others, but the higher your refraction, the worse it will be. You can easily lose 2 lines of an eye chart by looking out of the lateral edge of your lens. Two lines of a reading chart mean that an aircraft has to be half the distance from you before you will see it, compared to if your peripheral lens vision was the same as the center lens vision. Do you really want to give up that much of a safety margin?
3. When you look thru the intermediate section of the lens, the side distortion (to the left or right) gets much worse than the distance part of the lens. The intermediate and reader sections are quite narrow compared to the top distance portion. You won't see your instruments clearly on a scan unless you have only a very mild prescription in the lens.
4. When your eyes are forward (ex taxiing), and you want to catch the turn off numbers at an airport, these will be blurry because they are in the lateral portion of your lens (not straight ahead).
5. Because you will not be willing to do all the head tilting and swiveling necessary to keep your head pointed directly at what you wish to look at, you will wind up accepting poor vision in the periphery. That means you will miss seeing aircraft, because you can't scan the sky by directing your gaze up, down, left, or right. You actually have to point your head directly toward the area you are looking at, or else accept a reduction in visual acuity.

Opticians sell a lot of these lenses because they are about 3x the cost of regular lenses, and the profit margin is also about 3x. They usually ask only one question if you have reached an age where you need bifocals: "Would you like to have the invisible bifocal lenses (progressives)?" Of course, who would say no to that question? But, they will never tell you about all the compromises to your vision you have to accept in order to wear bifocals that are "invisible."

The best kind of glasses to wear as a pilot is single vision lenses. With these, when you glance to the far edge of the lens, everything remains in focus, just like the objects seen thru the center of the lens.

If you need bifocals or reading glasses, then the best type of bifocals for a pilot are called executive bifocals. These have a horizontal line just below the middle portion of the lens. Everything above that line is for distant vision. Everything below is adjusted for the focal distance to your instruments (approximately 24", rather than the 16" used for reading glasses). So, your outside vision will be perfect. Your instrument vision will be perfect. You will be able to glance left and right to see the sky or instruments without moving your head.

You will be able to go quickly between instruments and the sky without waiting for your eyes to accommodate to adjust to the difference in distance because that is already baked into the top and bottom prescriptions. Therefore, when glancing quickly at instruments, you will be able to regain your ability to see small aircraft without having to wait until your eyes "refocus."

What are progressive glasses good for?
1. Going out to dinner and impressing your younger boyfriend or girlfriend, you can read the menu without changing to bifocals or reading glasses.
2. Those who work in public relations positions, do podcasts professionally, or work in the public eye and have to have attractive glasses (newscasters, for example, that can't read their copy without bifocals, don't want to appear to be using bifocals).

For a pilot to give up the amount of visual acuity that exists in almost all progressive lenses is absolutely crazy and dangerous. Would you fly without your glasses if your vision was 20/40, and with glasses it was 20? If the answer is certainly not. Then why fly with progressives, where the periferal vision probably drops down to about 20/40, while the central vision is 20/20?

The FAA should ban progressive lenses in commercial pilots as a safety hazard!

I’ve been flying safely with progressives for years.Bug off you jerk.
 
If you can't turn your head enough to look for other airplanes or taxi signs, you have issues that go well beyond your choice of glasses.
A progressive user that has no issues.
 
I’ve been flying safely with progressives for years.Bug off you jerk.
Well, "jerk" is a bit extreme. We all know people who simply can't adjust to progressives. There are always those who make the big jump of thinking their personal problems are universal.
 
When I started needing cheaters but not distance correction, I found flexible stick-on reading lenses that I could attach to my Ray-Bans. These worked great for driving and general wear, but I couldn't use them for flying, as to land my biplane with no forward view at all I rely completely on peripheral vision. That probably wouldn't be an issue for most pilots.

Now that my distance vision is going, I'm lucky (if you can call it that) in that I'm farsighted, so I can actually use weak cheaters for distance vision (I use +1.25 - +1.5 for distance and +2.5 for close). I use reading glasses at home and at work but for general wear (and flying) the distance glasses are "good enough", if not ideal, for reading and seeing the instruments.

By using round lens glasses I can buy two different strengths and swap lenses to get the proper one for each side.
 
First off, absolutely no issues with progressive bifocals while flying. We instinctively move our heads to point at what we want to see (head on a swivel), so I think the concern about holding one’s head rigid and looking through the edge of the lens is really a non-issue.

These worked great for driving and general wear, but I couldn't use them for flying, as to land my biplane with no forward view at all I rely completely on peripheral vision. That probably wouldn't be an issue for most pilots.

My first thought was visual acuity is crap anyway when using peripheral vision, which is tuned to detect motion, not detail. I asked ChatGPT and got my impression generally confirmed:

“How important is visual acuity for peripheral vision?”

Visual acuity, or the clarity of central vision, is not a major factor in peripheral vision. Peripheral vision, or the ability to see objects outside of the direct line of sight, is largely determined by the number and distribution of photoreceptor cells in the retina, which detect light and send signals to the brain. Visual acuity is more closely related to the central part of the retina called the macula, which contains a high concentration of photoreceptor cells and is responsible for sharp, detailed vision. While visual acuity can affect the clarity of objects in the central field of vision, it has little impact on the ability to detect objects in the peripheral field of vision.
 
No problem with progressives. I use $8 Walmart flip-ups which add a lot of flexibility. You can see them in action in my avatar. I can position them so the sun and/or bright sky are filtered, but not the panel, which can also take care of polarization issues on screens.

As an aside, I found the Walmart flip-ups tended to self-destruct after a couple months of use. I found some very similar ones on Amazon and they seem to be holding up a lot better.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09XQ2WDSH/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 
It's all where you set the break point. Typically they're set low enough that it's not going to be any problem. The only thing in the near vision is going to be in your lap.

I have a pair with the break point set higher. I can't even drive with them on. I got them because it is the right distance for when I'm sitting at my desk staring at computer monitors.
 
Any of the post-40 POA crowd use progressive lenses while flying?

Yes

I've been using traditional bifocals for the last couple years based on what I've heard about potential distortion/blurring of peripheral vision.

BUT, I''m finding it very difficult to get decent prescription sunglasses for traditional bifocals. Many companies that do Rx sunglasses only offer single vision or progressives. Lenscrafters will do bifocal lenses, but the colors and lens thickness are extremely limited.

For those that use progressives, have you found any distortion issues?

No, any distortion issues for me went away very quickly and were due to the learning curve of using progressives. I would make sure you are used to them before you fly. For me it took a few hours. I see fine and have no issues flying with progressives.
 
My suggestion is: if you’re having trouble adjusting to progressives, it may also be the brand and complexity. There are different lens mfg that have different layouts to how they grind the progressive profile. You might need to try some different brands. In my case, I’ve used Essilor (don’t know which of their progressive formulas I’ve used) and had good success. Then I tried Sam’s Club (“We’re just like Essilor, but different”) and found that they don’t have nearly the wide range of lateral vision as Essilor. I haven’t tried Zeiss lenses yet, my eye place doesn’t carry them. I know some people like using Zenni for lower cost, but in some ways you get what you pay for, and sometimes lens quality is one of those things.
 
Any of the post-40 POA crowd use progressive lenses while flying?

I've been using traditional bifocals for the last couple years based on what I've heard about potential distortion/blurring of peripheral vision.

BUT, I''m finding it very difficult to get decent prescription sunglasses for traditional bifocals. Many companies that do Rx sunglasses only offer single vision or progressives. Lenscrafters will do bifocal lenses, but the colors and lens thickness are extremely limited.

For those that use progressives, have you found any distortion issues?
Zenni offers nonpoliarized, bifocal sunglass lenses in solid or gradient tints, gray, green, amber... I have a pair, they're great. Good quality, low price.
 
Progressive Lenses are the worst type of lens you can wear as a pilot.

First post!

Mark, sit down, take a few deep breaths, and tell us about your aviation experience. What do you fly, # of hours, home airport, etc. As you have seen, some of the natives can get pretty hostile about having their habits, equipment, etc. attacked by a newbie without any introduction to the tribe.

Besides, we don’t like the color of your shoes. So there!

-Skip
 
Progressive Lenses are the worst type of lens you can wear as a pilot.
First post and it’s on a year-and-a-half-old post and like this - sure feels like trolling.

Older people have less flexible natural lenses (presbyopia) and therefore one lens strength is not as helpful. That’s why stores are loaded with “cheater” reading glasses.

I’ve flown with progressives for about 15 years and use them to pass my Medical every two years. They make it seamless to transition from the tablet on my yoke to my dash to outside the plane.

As for detecting traffic, I don’t think what you say is true; my peripheral vision is fine and one sees traffic primarily in the middle of the visual field.

I’d say they’re so good, someone who only needs reading glasses could consider getting progressives with the near vision corrected on the bottom and no correction on top.

As for sunglasses, I’ve opted to accept my old-man-hood and go with the $13 clip-ons from Walmart. They work fine with my panel, I never need to exchange glasses getting in and out of the car, and I always buy frames that use the same clip-ons
 
Zenni offers nonpoliarized, bifocal sunglass lenses in solid or gradient tints, gray, green, amber... I have a pair, they're great. Good quality, low price.
I've been using nothing but Zenni for several years now.
 
I have never had a problem because of progressive lenses in the cockpit.:confused:
 
I find my progressives a pain in the cockpit. I’m always having to move my head to get the right focus with my scan. So I started wearing my computer glasses that have far vision at the top so I can still walk around the office. It’s been working well so far.
 
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