Stand aside NC, this is about NYC!

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Seriously - we are hours away from a hurricane that the president has called "historic" making landfall in NC, but all of the news is about the devastation that might happen when the hurricane, orders of magnitude weaker by then, might hit NYC.

You heard it here first: NYC gets a tropical depression, not a hurricane. Hundreds or thousands will be homeless in NC, but the news will focus on the dangerous flooding that NYC barely escaped.

Am I missing something here?

Headlines:

CNN: Hurricane Warnings for New York, New England
MSNBC: Hurricane on track to wallop NYC
Weather Channel: NYC Receives first ever mandatory evacuation
ABC: Hurricane Irene shuts NY


Looks like Fox News and CBS are the only ones focusing on the dangers in NC.
 
Seriously - we are hours away from a hurricane that the president has called "historic" making landfall in NC, but all of the news is about the devastation that might happen when the hurricane, orders of magnitude weaker by then, might hit NYC.

You heard it here first: NYC gets a tropical depression, not a hurricane. Hundreds or thousands will be homeless in NC, but the news will focus on the dangerous flooding that NYC barely escaped.

Am I missing something here?

Headlines:

CNN: Hurricane Warnings for New York, New England
MSNBC: Hurricane on track to wallop NYC
Weather Channel: NYC Receives first ever mandatory evacuation
ABC: Hurricane Irene shuts NY


Looks like Fox News and CBS are the only ones focusing on the dangers in NC.

Don't we just love the new media? most of the talking heads are sensationalists, not reporters. The more people they can scare the better the ratings.

Never in our history have we been this polarized, in our views, all due to the media.
 
I suspect they are freaking out about New York getting hit for several reasons:

1. It's our biggest metropolitan area.

2. Large portions of New York City are considered a "no-man's land" for law abiding citizens. In the event of a hurricane, with power out, flooding, and property damage, the threat of bands of looters roving the city is palpable. Think New Orleans after Katrina -- times ten.

3. Nobody lives in North Carolina. :D

(I used to hear that all the time, when I lived in Iowa. We could be wiped out by tornadoes, floods, ice storms, blizzards -- it didn't matter. The top news story was STILL about someone named "Kardashian")
 
I may be completely wrong, but won't the costal impact in NC really diminish the storm and greatly lessen the impact on NYC? I think they are merely laying the groundwork where if everything that can go wrong does, they don't appear surprised, and if things go as I expect them to, they will say "hmm, dodged that one".

Kind of the opposite of Katrina where there was very little talk of catastrophic flooding beforehand and everyone got a nasty surprise as things unfolded.
 
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And if the storm does what ost of them have done in the past, the center will hit pretty close to Patchogue, Long Island, about 50 miles east of NYC.
 
The financial newsies are all freaking out over whether or not the NYSE will be open for business on Monday.

As a systems engineer, my first thought is always, "Why is the NYSE single-sourced on their work space?" ;)

I understand the logistics of creating a second trading floor somewhere else are massive, but seriously -- isn't it way overdue in the Internet Age?
 
Seriously - we are hours away from a hurricane that the president has called "historic" making landfall in NC, but all of the news is about the devastation that might happen when the hurricane, orders of magnitude weaker by then, might hit NYC.

You heard it here first: NYC gets a tropical depression, not a hurricane. Hundreds or thousands will be homeless in NC, but the news will focus on the dangerous flooding that NYC barely escaped.

Am I missing something here?

Headlines:

CNN: Hurricane Warnings for New York, New England
MSNBC: Hurricane on track to wallop NYC
Weather Channel: NYC Receives first ever mandatory evacuation
ABC: Hurricane Irene shuts NY


Looks like Fox News and CBS are the only ones focusing on the dangers in NC.

For the people at CNN, MSNBC, Weather Channel, and ABC responsible for the headlines, I wonder where they live. hmmmmm.

Or maybe it's about viewers and ad dollars. nah, couldn't be.
 
I understand the logistics of creating a second trading floor somewhere else are massive, but seriously -- isn't it way overdue in the Internet Age?

While we're at it, why does the stock exchange ever "close" in the internet era?
 
Never in our history have we been this polarized, in our views, all due to the media those who would cynically manipulate the natural propensity for media to sensationalize.

...though for something like this I agree they own it without any help from the spinmeisters.
 
The financial newsies are all freaking out over whether or not the NYSE will be open for business on Monday.

The stock markets worldwide run on emotion almost as much as they run on information. The hint of news, good or bad, true or not, can and does drive the market.

As a systems engineer, my first thought is always, "Why is the NYSE single-sourced on their work space?" ;)

I understand the logistics of creating a second trading floor somewhere else are massive, but seriously -- isn't it way overdue in the Internet Age?

A minority of transactions actually make it to the floor of the exchange. The "open cry" market system has largely been replaced by the computer. Replicating the e-trading floor is pretty easy, and it has been done.

-Skip
 
Why? Let me break it down for ya....


North Carolina:
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New York City (Manhattan, Times Square):
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Am I missing something here?

Yes. Follow the money. The media wants eyeballs on the commercials, and that is all they care about. Where are there more people?

Do you think the average NYC resident cares about Morehead, NC? About as much as the residents of Morehead City care about NYC. Sad but true.

I do live in NYC and I am probably one of the few that do care...

-Skip
 
And if the storm does what ost of them have done in the past, the center will hit pretty close to Patchogue, Long Island, about 50 miles east of NYC.


My home town. ( Actually village of Medford, 4 miles north but Medford was so small it did not matter then )
 
When I was in the military I spent a whole lot of time tramping through the Carolinas. Looking at that picture brought back memories for me. The chiggers, the snakes, what fun. I don't miss the Carolinas one bit.

Years later, I had an occasion to go to New York City, for a week. Guess what, I don't miss that place one bit either.

Anything east of US 5 is the east coast as far as I'm concerned. Someday the big one will hit and those of us here in California will watch the rest of the country slide into the Atlantic.

OK, seriously. I do wish all of you in the storms path well, and hope it turns into a media hype dud.

John
 
I think y'all are going a lot crazy over a category 1 hurricane, that is barely a bring in the patio furniture type of storm.

It is funny watching the news here in Greece. EVERY news channel but one is focused on something else somewhere in country, in Europe, on the globe. CNN is 24/7 about the hurricane and drama queening like it is Katrina, Camile and Andrew all coming to visit New York at the same time.
 
When I was in the military I spent a whole lot of time tramping through the Carolinas. Looking at that picture brought back memories for me. The chiggers, the snakes, what fun. I don't miss the Carolinas one bit.

Years later, I had an occasion to go to New York City, for a week. Guess what, I don't miss that place one bit either.

Anything east of US 5 is the east coast as far as I'm concerned. Someday the big one will hit and those of us here in California will watch the rest of the country slide into the Atlantic.

OK, seriously. I do wish all of you in the storms path well, and hope it turns into a media hype dud.

John

I lived in San Diego for 5 years, don't miss it... Probably the most Evil place I have been in my life.:eek:
 
Flooding in the Outer Banks is routine. Flooding in Manhattan is interesting.
-harry
 
Flooding in the Outer Banks is routine. Flooding in Manhattan is interesting.
-harry

There is SOOOO much underground in Manhattan as well, way below sea level. When I worked for Sperry Rail I worked a NYC Subway test and we had access to the whole underground and we looked around, just "Holy Crap". If it floods down there, people will die... It's where a lot of people that used to live in Bellevue now live. You cannot imagine that people actually live under those conditions in America.
 
There is SOOOO much underground in Manhattan as well, way below sea level. When I worked for Sperry Rail I worked a NYC Subway test and we had access to the whole underground and we looked around, just "Holy Crap". If it floods down there, people will die... It's where a lot of people that used to live in Bellevue now live. You cannot imagine that people actually live under those conditions in America.

Yeah, and the rats that are down there will still survive....
 
I lived in San Diego for 5 years, don't miss it... Probably the most Evil place I have been in my life.:eek:

Ohhhh, your from Florida. I did my survival training in north central Florida. We jumped in at night, then lived off the land for a week.

I got dysentery, stung by scorpions, bit by a snake. ( turned out to be non venomous, snake got eaten. Bad day for a florida snake) covered with chigger bites, and crappy food.

I really hate Florida.

John
 
Ohhhh, your from Florida. I did my survival training in north central Florida. We jumped in at night, then lived off the land for a week.

I got dysentery, stung by scorpions, bit by a snake. ( turned out to be non venomous, snake got eaten. Bad day for a florida snake) covered with chigger bites, and crappy food.

I really hate Florida.

John


At least we don't have things blowing up under Point Loma...:hairraise:
 
...and it's moved inland faster and earlier than predicted.

Anyone else notice the weak high to the northwest?

Yeah, and we're on Mackinac Island looking forward to the nice flight back to Chicago tomorrow due to the high. Nice lunch with Diz & Brad Frederick, and nice game of putting with them and Ed. Wish Diz had a better time on the links, and hoping that you East coasters weather the tornados. Hearing about tornado watches in Philly and thinking about all the locals there.
 
Can I call "nailed it" yet?

Nothing makes me happier than to see Anderson Cooper, in NYC, in sunshine, looking embarrassed.

Happy Sunday everyone
 
Can I call "nailed it" yet?

Nothing makes me happier than to see Anderson Cooper, in NYC, in sunshine, looking embarrassed.

Happy Sunday everyone

Yes, but just think of how many more insurance policies Flo sold in the last 48 hours.

CNN would call that "Mission Accomplished"... :rolleyes:
 
Anything east of US 5 is the east coast as far as I'm concerned. Someday the big one will hit and those of us here in California will watch the rest of the country slide into the Atlantic.

OK, seriously. I do wish all of you in the storms path well, and hope it turns into a media hype dud.

John

US 5, or I 5? Heck of a difference. :D And I recall a song many years ago about the big one and a line about "Boise Beach". :D :D
 
I lived in San Diego for 5 years, don't miss it... Probably the most Evil place I have been in my life.:eek:

Funny you should say that. Can you share any thoughts on why with us?

I visited my Dad for years there and just never felt like I fit in. The gov'ment, as we should all know, was very corrupt at times. Rent controls ran me off and all the anti-business stuff. I just never found folks that were independent, build a business folks like me, but always thought I just must not have met them.

Best,

Dave
 
Nick: I was very much thinking the same thing. On another board, several folks commented a couple days ago to expect it and they were right.

I know the Outer Banks folks are used to dealing with things like this, but it should at least be covered. Of course, the major population and infrastructure centers could be devastated, and that was the concern.

We saw the same thing with Katrina--it was all about New Orleans. Parts if Mississippi and Texas are still recovering; then, Texas also got Rita, but we dealt with it reasonably well and the press found something else on which to focus.

I know they have to get folks to watch, but I don't consider what they report to be balanced at all; it's mostly a business and about ratings.

I don't watch much news on TV anymore; mainly read and go to the internet. They have to make a living and I'd hate to be in that business trying to get the most attention getting story out each day.

Best,

Dave
 
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Funny you should say that. Can you share any thoughts on why with us?

I visited my Dad for years there and just never felt like I fit in. The gov'ment, as we should all know, was very corrupt at times. Rent controls ran me off and all the anti-business stuff. I just never found folks that were independent, build a business folks like me, but always thought I just must not have met them.

Best,

Dave

Well, it starts with attitude, here's an example: Live Channel 10 news cops had chased down this guy, had him hog tied on the sidewalk and shot him in the head... live on the news execution... "He was on PCP" ??? He was hogtied face down on the sidewalk, so what, if you wanted that pretext underwhich to shoot him you should have done it before hog tying him. Nobody cared, word never spread beyond SD. Another one. I'm sitting at an intersection on Pt Loma. They're running some 10k or marathon so there's a cop in the middle of the intersection. No runners at the time, nothing. Old lay pulls up in Caddy wants to make a left cop says no. Old lady points to the second house says "that's my house right there" "I don't care drive!" he SCREAMS at her "But" and at this point the cop pulls his gun on the lady, points it at her and yells "Get the f- moving!". Now this was with a small-moderate crowd of people watching since it was a good vantage point, nobody cared except a few who laughed. I ran across the street from the store (happened to have already closed) across Harbor Blvd (a busy 4 lane) back for the marina where I live and I get blind side tackled by a cop who puts a gun to my head and starts telling his rookie partner, "See, that's how you snag the enemy" and then took me to jail for robbing the store across the street sans evidence of me having anything besides about $20 on me and no signs of any entry at the store. Luckily I was released the moment they started to process me in "I can't take him...". Everybody is always looking out just for themselves, I think # 3 in the nation for theft, #2 IIRC was Vegas and the other was in CA as well. The work ethic is horrible. If it weren't for Mexicans, nothing would get done.

Then there is the prize under Pt Loma.... The US Pacific Fleet Nuclear Stockpile... Back in the late 80s I was standing in the street in Ocean Beach talking to my friend by his truck, early evening, and something underground exploded. Now people say "Earthquake" (though there was no official story ever given even though windows were broken, alarms set off...) but I've been through enough Earthquakes and explosions to know the difference. This one cracked off will one major bang and rippled out for a second or so. This was an explosion. Nobody says a word. The homeless the tweakers the gangbangers, nobody cares about anything but "me today".

I never got anything but bad vibes from that town, and even a couple months ago when I was there, same thing. I mentioned it to a long time friend and native OBtian that the place was evil and she's "you're right, it is". A lot of it revolves around crystal meth, and it's been around SD longer than most of the US. Down in OB is where back in the day most of the tweek would get cooked, down in the "war zone" between the beach and Cable and Narragansett and Voltaire. The bikers would roll in, load up and haul it around the country. Now there's so much demand they make it everywhere.

I've never lived anyplace else like it. Another thing, you can walk down the street in Manhattan and you will see more people per capita smiling than in SD.
 
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Thanks! It was very different for me. I visited several times when on active duty and heard snide remarks when in uniform and was kept out of a party my brother took be to because they thought I was a Narc <g>. I'd chat with folks and they just didn't have any goals or inspiration. Thought I just wasn't meeting the right folks. Wonderful weather, and I met some real nice folks--average, hard working folks, but every time I tried to move something forward, I'd run into city/county folks in staff or leadership positions and become very disappointed. In the RE business, one needs good relationships with city staff and leaders.

Guess I made a good decision moving here in the early 80s. Seem to fit in pretty well. I had met a few folks over the years back in San Diego I got along with. Any that build or owned businesses didn't have much good to say about local leadership and the overwhelming regulation.

A few years ago, many folks were buying what I could call a volume builder home and paying an extravagant amount for it with a huge loan. Many very unhappy folks now. I still can't believe what they're doing at the state level with budgets. They just keep kicking the can down the road thinking some how they will be saved. The social programs were incredible. There was a fee to the state to do almost anything--even a use tax if you rented a hanger. Of course, property tax for the owner.

I got real angry when Dad had retired and came out here to live (he later returned). They demanded he pay CA state income tax even though he had moved out of the state saying he had earned the money there. That wasn't true as he was with a large company and only lived there for a portion of his earning years. I would have fought them; Dad didn't want to. That was later overturned, but how many regular working folks wound up unfairly paying that?

Best,

Dave
 
California is pretty, that is all it has going for it. I thought the climate sucked, but I always lived on or by the ocean and it's always cold except maybe a few days a year when the Santanas blow in off the desert. You always find some good people anywhere, but personal relationships don't carry the weight when the pervasive attitude is negative. Another problem you had likely was you weren't native.
 
Another problem you had likely was you weren't native.

Yes, Dallas was and still is more accepting for folks not originally from here in all but a few circumstances. Because there are so many quickly growing surrounding cities with strong in-migration, many times there are more non-natives than vise versa except in the Park Cities area. Hawaii also seemed that way. A Doc friend of mine did very well there after leaving the military but raises the issue there is a point local leaders are pretty close knit.

Appreciate your thoughts. I'm sure CA is great for many folks. Didn't seem to fit me at all. I'm too independent and the big brother approach would really bother me.

Best,

Dave
 
Appreciate your thoughts. I'm sure CA is great for many folks. Didn't seem to fit me at all. I'm too independent and the big brother approach would really bother me.
That pretty much sums it up for me. I've spent limited time in Cali but I haven't been too impressed by the attitudes of many people I've talked to there. Not an environment I'd want to deal with.
 
That pretty much sums it up for me. I've spent limited time in Cali but I haven't been too impressed by the attitudes of many people I've talked to there. Not an environment I'd want to deal with.
And here I am the black sheep of the family because I didn't grow up there and don't live there now. My relatives would never live anywhere else. Actually I like California and will probably move back eventually.
 
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