Should I be ashamed?

JoseCuervo said:
There are usually local races, ballot propositions, and judgeships that will sometimes matter.

In local races, the winners sometimes only have 800-1000 votes.
Makes your vote more valuable.

Get informed, get involved , learn issues, learn to vote. It matters.
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Bingo!!



And the these "college educated" yet going no where types around here who don't vote because "it doesn't matter", they were sooo loud about Bernie and refugees, confederate flags, and all this other chit, but couldn't even be bothered to vote, didn't offer to take any refugees in personally, don't actually volunteer to help the poor they say they care so much about, don't even understand half the topics (like the flag), speak about "white privalge" yet hit the door locks on their Prius the second a black guy walks by, they are totally meek and won't do ANYTHING other than whine.

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falconkidding said:
I'm almost 30 and have never voted for president. Theres just never been a candidate that i've felt would remotely represent me. I could do a protest vote #SMOD2016 but to me not voting is just me saying as strongly as I can "I support none of you" and reserving the right to say if these are your candidates then you've made your bed now lie in it.
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When you vote for president, you are not voting for someone to represent you. That is what you do when you vote for Congress. When you vote for POTUS, you are voting for who you feel is the best choice of the current candidates to lead the country and act as commander-in-chief.
 
As far as the question goes, I don't think it's one that others can answer for you. They may think they can, but they can't.
 
Shame? That's for you to decide. I didn't want to vote this time but I did. I feel everyone should. But I don't particularly care if you don't, free country and like I said, your decision. And I don't care if you ***** afterward even if you didn't vote.
 
It's your choice not to, but now as far as I'm concerned is you have no right to complain what they do. I mean one of the two was going to win anyway so not voting because you didn't like either one is kinda crazy. But that's just me and it's ultimately your right not to do so.
 
Not voting is avoiding personal responsibility, which has become very fashionable these days.
 
I'm surprised no one mentioned your mom. She should be the one ashamed.

Look, it doesn't matter at all what anyone thinks about whether you voted or not. There's no legal requirement to do so, and anyone's ability to make you feel a certain way about your choice ends there.

What I find objectionable is that your mom felt more strongly about you not voting than she did about continuing to talk to her child. She's trying to manipulate you. And if she'll stop talking to you about whether you did or not, I'd guess she probably also cares who you voted for, and again, that's your biz, not hers.

So no, you're fine. You made a choice. Your mom....
 
Actually, there is no constitutional "right to vote" in a federal election. Your state's constitution may contain verbiage of your right to vote in an election. Read the Supreme Court’s decision in Bush v. Gore (2000). There the Supreme Court plainly states that there is no Constitutional right to vote in a presidential election.

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paflyer said:
Not voting is avoiding personal responsibility ...
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What does not wasting time performing a meaningless act have to do with personal responsibility?
 
SkyDog58 said:
When you vote for president, you are not voting for someone to represent you. That is what you do when you vote for Congress. When you vote for POTUS, you are voting for who you feel is the best choice of the current candidates to lead the country and act as commander-in-chief.
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Si. My bad I was unclear. I meant none of the candidates represent my views on what a good president would be. I could protest vote #smod2016 or write in a fringe candidate but for me personally the non vote is the strongest way I can say none of the above.
 
James331 said:
And the these "college educated" yet going no where types around here who don't vote because "it doesn't matter", they were sooo loud about Bernie and refugees, confederate flags, and all this other chit, but couldn't even be bothered to vote, didn't offer to take any refugees in personally, don't actually volunteer to help the poor they say they care so much about, don't even understand half the topics (like the flag), speak about "white privalge" yet hit the door locks on their Prius the second a black guy walks by, they are totally meek and won't do ANYTHING other than whine.
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...and somehow, in your opinion, this makes people who serve in the armed forces or in any other civic capacity unqualified to speak their opinions because voting in a general election is the only qualifying criteria.
 
airdale said:
What does not wasting time performing a meaningless act have to do with personal responsibility?
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Amazing how so many people have endless time and energy to make meaningless acts of posting on social media yet don't see value in exercising their opinion where it can make a difference.

In 2000, 537 meaningless votes gave the Presidency to GWB.
 
There's more than one election to decide on these ballots, ya know.

Whether or not you should be ashamed, I dunno, that's up to you.
 
I encourage people who are not informed on the issues or candidates not to vote. Occasionally I'll be surprised by a referendum or race that I was not familiar with. If I'm not familiar with the person or the issue I won't vote on that item.
 
If you have ever seen any of a number of TV shows where they have a reporter/interviewer on the street asking John Q Public some questions, you will understand that the average person in this country is quite ill-informed if not completely ignorant. However, I think these folks are pretty evenly divided between the two major parties, so in a way it does not matter that much in the end. Neither the Dems or GOP has a monopoly on idiocy or on intelligence.
 
I suppose it's easier to take for granted something you've always had, vs something that was taken away or never existed.

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simtech said:
How is it strong, did Washington get a letter that said falconkidding didn't vote?
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Its not strong in the sense of actual effects but more a personal symbolic thing . I don't mind voting for props and local candidates but on the presidential part its my little FU to the two main parties who nominated such brilliant candidates, the 3rd parties that cant seemingly find a candidate that will at least put forth the effort to act like they have a plan to get into office and to the eventual winner.
 
SkyDog58 said:
If you have ever seen any of a number of TV shows where they have a reporter/interviewer on the street asking John Q Public some questions, you will understand that the average person in this country is quite ill-informed if not completely ignorant.
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->Believing what you see on t.v. hasn't been edited in any way

really?
 
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Trump is the closest we've had as a viable third party candidate. If he was rejected at the RNC, I have no doubt he would have run as in independent.
 
Mistake Not... said:
Look, it doesn't matter at all what anyone thinks about whether you voted or not. There's no legal requirement to do so, and anyone's ability to make you feel a certain way about your choice ends there.
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Does it matter what you think about her mom? Somehow I get the idea that people's opinions are more informed on voting than yours is about her mom. And she did ask, right?
 
If you are an adult you should not worry about what someone else thinks about you voting or not voting. If you care that much you shouldn't tell them one way or the other.
 
Everskyward said:
If you are an adult you should not worry about what someone else thinks about you voting or not voting. If you care that much you shouldn't tell them one way or the other.
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Shouldn't worry, no. But it is good to open yourself to other people's opinions to help improve your thinking in case you were wrong.
 
Cooter said:
Shouldn't worry, no. But it is good to open yourself to other people's opinions to help improve your thinking in case you were wrong.
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In this case there is no "wrong". It's a personal choice.
 
You just entered the "No Spin Zoneeeee"! Muahaha
 
Gerhardt said:
That phrase has been around since I was in grade school. It didn't make any more sense then than it does now, and this election was the perfect example. So many people disliked both candidates. If you disliked them both equally... Even if you didn't, voting for someone you don't like and disagree with goes against the grain for many.

Just for fun, this also seems like a good thread to talk about the Electoral College. Sac's vote didn't count at all. Not one iota, and it never had a chance. He knew when he woke up Tuesday morning that it wouldn't matter if he went to the polls. He lives in a state where the vast majority voted for Candidate A. He voted for Candidate B. ALL of the (electoral) votes in his state went to Candidate A. It doesn't seem fair that his vote doesn't count at all, while his twin brother who lives in a state where Candidates A and B are closely contested...his vote matters.
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Candidates generally only come to California to fund raise (I'm guessing some in Iowa and New Hampshire might say we should count our blessings). One of our two senators retired. So this election we were able to choose between a democrat and...another democrat. In other news, residents are absolutely losing their minds over our president-elect.
 
I think people are making WAY to big of a deal about the outcome. Everyone acts like the world is coming to an end because DT will be in office. He very well has the potential to be an excellent president, could also go the other way too, sure, but I want to be optimistic. Not pointing fingers to anyone on here, just posts on FB and through media outlets.
 
Ryanb said:
I think people are making WAY to big of a deal about the outcome. Everyone acts like the world is coming to an end because DT will be in office. He very well has the potential to be an excellent president, could also go the other way too, sure, but I want to be optimistic. Not pointing fingers to anyone on here, just posts on FB and through media outlets.
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Well, you're right if you ignore all the things he said he would do.

Let's hope it was poorly worded hyperbole. But promising to round people up and take away rights is what has all the locals so upset. And yes, he did say he would do both.

If it wasn't poorly worded hyperbole, we have to hope the Republican Congress believes in Libertarian principles like so many said they did. But they did not demonstrate that during the campaign.
 
MAKG1 said:
Well, you're right if you ignore all the things he said he would do.

Let's hope it was poorly worded hyperbole. But promising to round people up and take away rights is what has all the locals so upset. And yes, he did say he would do both.

If it wasn't poorly worded hyperbole, we have to hope the Republican Congress believes in Libertarian principles like so many said they did. But they did not demonstrate that during the campaign.
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Nobody will ever agree upon every stance a president has. They'll do things you like and things you don't like. Point is, people are ridiculously fast to judge, when they have no clue what his presidency will be like. Give the man a chance to lead and don't discount him so soon. People act like if H was elected all of the problems would've instantly vanished. Not even close. He's new blood and hopefully positive change that he's talked about.
 
I think it's an entirely valid choice to not support a candidate you don't agree with if you don't like any of them. I often vote 3rd party as a sort of protest vote... and with some hope of strengthening that third party.

Now in my case voting meant a 5 minute stop on my way to the grocery store..... would have been more like 1 minute but I knew one of the ladies at the polling place and she was chatty.

Now, at the risk of being political I watched so many people melt down at the result this year... you'd think the world was ending. All I will say is this is the same country, it has the same people, it has the same constitution. Many of us have survived complete control of the government by a party we disagree with in the past and so shall the losing half this time. If there wasn't an issue that was specifically important to you, the difference is likely to be marginal for your real world life. Go fly an airplane and be happy.
 
Ryanb said:
Nobody will ever agree upon every stance a president has. They'll do things you like and things you don't like. Point is, people are ridiculously fast to judge, when they have no clue what his presidency will be like. Give the man a chance to lead and don't discount him so soon. People act like if H was elected all of the problems would've instantly vanished. Not even close. He's new blood and hopefully positive change that he's talked about.
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Yes, I agree with you.

But he is extraordinary in the things he said, and you can't discount that well over half the US population has been his target at one point or another during the campaign. You have to allow that this was exceptionally divisive, and he did it. It will take a lot more than telling half the population to just get over it to heal.

If he does as he said he would, it's going to get a lot worse. If he comes to his senses, maybe not. But you'll find that a lot of folks will not be willing to listen to that. Especially since being outrageous is how he got elected.

There hasn't been a campaign like this in my lifetime, in the US. Not even close. There was a little trepidation when the head of the CIA won the election, but it wasn't close to the same scale.

And I don't for one instant imagine all would be good if the other side won. But this guy scares A LOT of people. And you will not convince them otherwise with this argument. That's what's going on, and why there is so much poor behavior.

I hope you're right. The stuff this guy said is frightening in many respects.
 
cowman said:
I think it's an entirely valid choice to not support a candidate you don't agree with if you don't like any of them. I often vote 3rd party as a sort of protest vote... and with some hope of strengthening that third party.

Now in my case voting meant a 5 minute stop on my way to the grocery store..... would have been more like 1 minute but I knew one of the ladies at the polling place and she was chatty.

Now, at the risk of being political I watched so many people melt down at the result this year... you'd think the world was ending. All I will say is this is the same country, it has the same people, it has the same constitution. Many of us have survived complete control of the government by a party we disagree with in the past and so shall the losing half this time. If there wasn't an issue that was specifically important to you, the difference is likely to be marginal for your real world life. Go fly an airplane and be happy.
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I really do wish it was complete control by the other party that was driving this, 'cause that would be meaningless and would pass with time.

It's not. That happened in 1988 and 2000 as well, without anywhere near the reaction.

It's what the president elect said he would do.
 
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